Time to rename our Confederate Forts

[Daryl Hunt]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

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Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

 

[gipper]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

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Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Polk wasn't a confederate, he died shortly after leaving office long before the War of Northern Aggression.

BTW, libs condemned Eisenhower as Literally Hitler for daring to oppose the liberal hero Stevenson.

Funny you should bring that up. I suggest you read up on the 1956 Republican Convention Plank. It was pretty damned liberal. The complete changeover of the parties had not been completely done yet and both parties had about the same number of Conservatives and Liberals. Just remember, a lot of what Kennedy and Johnson got credit for in race relations was started or proposed by Eisenhower. The group that was created in 1957 that was going after Eisenhower was the John Birch Society that claimed he was a Communist. Funny how the JBS just took up the mantle of the failed debacle that McCarthy did. You picked a really bad time to use as an example. The Republican Party was still pretty damned Liberal and Progressive at that point but it also had Conservative ideas as well. It was about as well balanced as it ever was.

Just because you say so doesn't make it a fact.

It’s funny how the the radical right has labeled anyone who proposes helping the people, communists. They have done this since the 1950s. They did it to Bernie. They do it to peaceful anti-cop brutality demonstrators.

One would think all would be on to their BS by now.

If only they were not so often right.

They’re only right in their small minds.

 

[rightwinger]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

 

[Polishprince]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

 

[rightwinger]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

 

[Polishprince]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Germany still maintains the Hitlercare program, the risky medical scheme of the 30's and 40's.

 

[rightwinger]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Germany still maintains the Hitlercare program, the risky medical scheme of the 30's and 40's.

It works

 

[Polishprince]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Germany still maintains the Hitlercare program, the risky medical scheme of the 30's and 40's.

It works

Hitlercare is a monument to Hitler. I don't really care how "efficient" it is. Time for Germany to de-nazified, and eliminate socialism in all of its society if they really want to denounce Hitler.

 

[rightwinger]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Germany still maintains the Hitlercare program, the risky medical scheme of the 30's and 40's.

It works

Hitlercare is a monument to Hitler. I don't really care how "efficient" it is. Time for Germany to de-nazified, and eliminate socialism in all of its society if they really want to denounce Hitler.

I doubt Germans would abandon it in exchange for our survival of the fittest healthcare

 

[Polishprince]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Germany still maintains the Hitlercare program, the risky medical scheme of the 30's and 40's.

It works

Hitlercare is a monument to Hitler. I don't really care how "efficient" it is. Time for Germany to de-nazified, and eliminate socialism in all of its society if they really want to denounce Hitler.

I doubt Germans would abandon it in exchange for our survival of the fittest healthcare

I am sure they wouldn't because they are still largely wed to national Socialism to this day.

 

[9thIDdoc]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Apparently you don't read well
I had nothing to do with the movie or the Daughters of the Confederacy.
I never saw or heard of the movie or alleged movement even though I live in the South.
You can't even be bothered to point our what you consider an attempt to "change" history by me or anyone else.
You, Sir, do not know what you are talking about.
If you are going to charge me with something back it up or admit you are just another blow-hard propagandist who spouts off but says nothing.

 

[9thIDdoc]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Polk wasn't a confederate, he died shortly after leaving office long before the War of Northern Aggression.

BTW, libs condemned Eisenhower as Literally Hitler for daring to oppose the liberal hero Stevenson.

Funny you should bring that up. I suggest you read up on the 1956 Republican Convention Plank. It was pretty damned liberal. The complete changeover of the parties had not been completely done yet and both parties had about the same number of Conservatives and Liberals. Just remember, a lot of what Kennedy and Johnson got credit for in race relations was started or proposed by Eisenhower. The group that was created in 1957 that was going after Eisenhower was the John Birch Society that claimed he was a Communist. Funny how the JBS just took up the mantle of the failed debacle that McCarthy did. You picked a really bad time to use as an example. The Republican Party was still pretty damned Liberal and Progressive at that point but it also had Conservative ideas as well. It was about as well balanced as it ever was.

Just because you say so doesn't make it a fact.

It’s funny how the the radical right has labeled anyone who proposes helping the people, communists. They have done this since the 1950s. They did it to Bernie. They do it to peaceful anti-cop brutality demonstrators.

One would think all would be on to their BS by now.

If only they were not so often right.

They’re only right in their small minds.

Sez you

 

[9thIDdoc]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

Exactly what do you claim was an attempt to "rewrite history"?
Who do you think is embarrassed by slavery? Why? Are you embarrassed because you kept slaves? Is that what you are trying to say?

 

[gipper]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Polk wasn't a confederate, he died shortly after leaving office long before the War of Northern Aggression.

BTW, libs condemned Eisenhower as Literally Hitler for daring to oppose the liberal hero Stevenson.

Funny you should bring that up. I suggest you read up on the 1956 Republican Convention Plank. It was pretty damned liberal. The complete changeover of the parties had not been completely done yet and both parties had about the same number of Conservatives and Liberals. Just remember, a lot of what Kennedy and Johnson got credit for in race relations was started or proposed by Eisenhower. The group that was created in 1957 that was going after Eisenhower was the John Birch Society that claimed he was a Communist. Funny how the JBS just took up the mantle of the failed debacle that McCarthy did. You picked a really bad time to use as an example. The Republican Party was still pretty damned Liberal and Progressive at that point but it also had Conservative ideas as well. It was about as well balanced as it ever was.

Just because you say so doesn't make it a fact.

It’s funny how the the radical right has labeled anyone who proposes helping the people, communists. They have done this since the 1950s. They did it to Bernie. They do it to peaceful anti-cop brutality demonstrators.

One would think all would be on to their BS by now.

If only they were not so often right.

They’re only right in their small minds.

Sez you

Yes and I’m always right.

 

[rightwinger]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

Exactly what do you claim was an attempt to "rewrite history"?
Who do you think is embarrassed by slavery? Why? Are you embarrassed because you kept slaves? Is that what you are trying to say?

Let’s see....

Make Lee a hero and Grant a villain
Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
Blame blacks for slavery
Claim blacks supported the Confederacy
Birth of a Nation

 

[9thIDdoc]

Make Lee a hero and Grant a villain
That is a matter of personal opinion and everyone has a right to his/her own. I think that most historians consider Lee the best general from either side. I personally don't consider Grant a villain but I don't consider him an especially good general or especially honorable man.
Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
The war was about State's rights including the right to succeed from the Union and allow the ownership of slaves. Well documented history. Who claims that slavery was not a consideration?
Blame blacks for slavery
Who blames blacks for slavery?
Claim blacks supported the Confederacy
Some did. Some owned black slaves themselves. I think most didn't know or think much about politics. I also think that most when freed would have preferred their former condition to suddenly finding themselves penniless, homeless, jobless, possibly starving and possibly trying to provide for a family without any education or idea of how to do so. Most of the folks that needed employees were either killed in the war or without businesses or jobs themselves. In addition many blamed blacks for the war because the North kept insisting blacks were the reason they were killing Southerners. This belief-and the fact that there were many black carpetbaggers and placed in power by the Northern occupation- contributed to post war discrimination and the Crow laws.
Birth of a Nation
Once again you speak without saying anything. That's not even a complete sentence. If you object to something take the time to say what it is. The world isn't full of mind readers and if it were they wouldn't necessarily want to read your's.

 

[Yarddog]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Completely different dynamics between Nazi Germany and The Confederacy Generals.
Nazi Germany was under the grip a a dictator, Hitler... who many of Germany's military people outside of the Nazi party hated but were forced to obey. Hitler also tried to take over All of Europe and his personal actions brought devastation on his country.

The war between the North and the South was something quite different and reconciliation was necessary. The Confederate generals were not dictators who drove the political policy of the confederacy in the way Hitler did.

Should confederate statues be brought down? Maybe so but because there are sentiments on both sides it should not have been Mob Rule that made that decision. Otherwise whats to stop the mob from pulling down statues of George Washington? Or determine anything else unworthy and racist just because they say so?

There Was a proper procedure for removing these things if the American people want to make a decision together on it.

 

[rightwinger]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Completely different dynamics between Nazi Germany and The Confederacy Generals.
Nazi Germany was under the grip a a dictator, Hitler... who many of Germany's military people outside of the Nazi party hated but were forced to obey. Hitler also tried to take over All of Europe and his personal actions brought devastation on his country.

The war between the North and the South was something quite different and reconciliation was necessary. The Confederate generals were not dictators who drove the political policy of the confederacy in the way Hitler did.

Should confederate statues be brought down? Maybe so but because there are sentiments on both sides it should not have been Mob Rule that made that decision. Otherwise whats to stop the mob from pulling down statues of George Washington? Or determine anything else unworthy and racist just because they say so?

There Was a proper procedure for removing these things if the American people want to make a decision together on it.

Both Nazi Germany and the Confederacy committed human atrocities. Slavery is an atrocity

 

[rightwinger]

Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
The war was about State's rights including the right to succeed from the Union and allow the ownership of slaves. Well documented history. Who claims that slavery was not a consideration?

The States Rights argument was always about a states right to allow slavery.
The Lost Cause movement has tried to avoid the issue of slavery as a cause for the war

 

[Polishprince]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Completely different dynamics between Nazi Germany and The Confederacy Generals.
Nazi Germany was under the grip a a dictator, Hitler... who many of Germany's military people outside of the Nazi party hated but were forced to obey. Hitler also tried to take over All of Europe and his personal actions brought devastation on his country.

The war between the North and the South was something quite different and reconciliation was necessary. The Confederate generals were not dictators who drove the political policy of the confederacy in the way Hitler did.

Should confederate statues be brought down? Maybe so but because there are sentiments on both sides it should not have been Mob Rule that made that decision. Otherwise whats to stop the mob from pulling down statues of George Washington? Or determine anything else unworthy and racist just because they say so?

There Was a proper procedure for removing these things if the American people want to make a decision together on it.

Both Nazi Germany and the Confederacy committed human atrocities. Slavery is an atrocity

Socialized Medicine is an atrocity as well, and has been compared to Slavery. So should Obama be removed from the history books?