Time to rename our Confederate Forts

[Polishprince]

Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
The war was about State's rights including the right to succeed from the Union and allow the ownership of slaves. Well documented history. Who claims that slavery was not a consideration?

The States Rights argument was always about a states right to allow slavery.
The Lost Cause movement has tried to avoid the issue of slavery as a cause for the war

People in the South are against Slavery, that's the point.

My brother as well as the nieces and nephews live in Dixie, although with several of my cousins. And to the individual, every one is solidly against Slavery.

But you are obviously not for Equality. And that is what this is about.

Dr. Carson explains it perfectly clear from the link I gave.

It isn't that complex of an idea, its not Brain Surgery.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
The war was about State's rights including the right to succeed from the Union and allow the ownership of slaves. Well documented history. Who claims that slavery was not a consideration?

The States Rights argument was always about a states right to allow slavery.
The Lost Cause movement has tried to avoid the issue of slavery as a cause for the war

People in the South are against Slavery, that's the point.

My brother as well as the nieces and nephews live in Dixie, although with several of my cousins. And to the individual, every one is solidly against Slavery.

But you are obviously not for Equality. And that is what this is about.

Dr. Carson explains it perfectly clear from the link I gave.

It isn't that complex of an idea, its not Brain Surgery.

For those of us without a backhoe, how about giving us the URL again.

 

[dudmuck]

Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
The war was about State's rights including the right to succeed from the Union and allow the ownership of slaves. Well documented history. Who claims that slavery was not a consideration?

The States Rights argument was always about a states right to allow slavery.
The Lost Cause movement has tried to avoid the issue of slavery as a cause for the war

People in the South are against Slavery, that's the point.

My brother as well as the nieces and nephews live in Dixie, although with several of my cousins. And to the individual, every one is solidly against Slavery.

But you are obviously not for Equality. And that is what this is about.

Dr. Carson explains it perfectly clear from the link I gave.

It isn't that complex of an idea, its not Brain Surgery.

Then you can perhaps explain how Trump is best president for black america, since Ben Carson wont

Carson declines to back Trump's claim on being best president for African Americans since Lincoln

Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson appeared on ABC's "This Week."

abcnews.go.com

 

[9thIDdoc]

Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
The war was about State's rights including the right to succeed from the Union and allow the ownership of slaves. Well documented history. Who claims that slavery was not a consideration?

The States Rights argument was always about a states right to allow slavery.
The Lost Cause movement has tried to avoid the issue of slavery as a cause for the war

No, The right to own slaves and the right to succeed were just two parts of a complex issue. What makes you demand that it has to be one or the other? What makes you think that a Lost Cause movement exists or that you know why they do things? In either case why would anyone care? How is tearing down statues not an attempt to rewrite history? History-both good and bad-is what it is and it is important to learn from lest we repeat the bad over and over. All defacing symbols that mean something to people does is piss them off. Is that the intent?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

I believe they are part of history. Whether we like it or not, it is part of our heritage. That would like like Germany renaming Auschwitz and the other Concentration camps. It is part of their history. We may not agree to what happened there. But nonetheless...

I think that the Left is not really offended by confederate monuments and army base names.
They are trying to cause cultural tensions to get out the vote to help their lame Dem candidates .
It always about power, and power is always about money.

 

[rightwinger]

Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
The war was about State's rights including the right to succeed from the Union and allow the ownership of slaves. Well documented history. Who claims that slavery was not a consideration?

The States Rights argument was always about a states right to allow slavery.
The Lost Cause movement has tried to avoid the issue of slavery as a cause for the war

No, The right to own slaves and the right to succeed were just two parts of a complex issue. What makes you demand that it has to be one or the other? What makes you think that a Lost Cause movement exists or that you know why they do things? In either case why would anyone care? How is tearing down statues not an attempt to rewrite history? History-both good and bad-is what it is and it is important to learn from lest we repeat the bad over and over. All defacing symbols that mean something to people does is piss them off. Is that the intent?

“Secession” was justified by each state based on a perceived attack on the institution of slavery.

The Confederacy was formed to ensure the institution of slavery would exist forever. Their Constitution was nearly identical to the United States except that it ensures slavery would not be tampered with.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Blame blacks for slavery
Who blames blacks for slavery?

Just read this thread. It goes something like this....

You know......it was blacks who captured slaves in Africa
You know.....Blacks owned slaves too
You know......Blacks fought for the Confederacy

The objective is to imply complicity of blacks in the slave market and assign equal culpability.

Or maybe the objective is to point out that all races have owned slaves and been slaves.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
The war was about State's rights including the right to succeed from the Union and allow the ownership of slaves. Well documented history. Who claims that slavery was not a consideration?

The States Rights argument was always about a states right to allow slavery.
The Lost Cause movement has tried to avoid the issue of slavery as a cause for the war

No, The right to own slaves and the right to succeed were just two parts of a complex issue. What makes you demand that it has to be one or the other? What makes you think that a Lost Cause movement exists or that you know why they do things? In either case why would anyone care? How is tearing down statues not an attempt to rewrite history? History-both good and bad-is what it is and it is important to learn from lest we repeat the bad over and over. All defacing symbols that mean something to people does is piss them off. Is that the intent?

“Secession” was justified by each state based on a perceived attack on the institution of slavery.

The Confederacy was formed to ensure the institution of slavery would exist forever. Their Constitution was nearly identical to the United States except that it ensures slavery would not be tampered with.

Yes (along with a States' right to make other law). So what?

 

[9thIDdoc]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

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Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Germany didn't try and rewrite history and try and make Naizism look like a walk in the park.

"The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?"

So why exactly is the left trying to rewrite history to pretend slavery never existed?

 

[rightwinger]

Blame blacks for slavery
Who blames blacks for slavery?

Just read this thread. It goes something like this....

You know......it was blacks who captured slaves in Africa
You know.....Blacks owned slaves too
You know......Blacks fought for the Confederacy

The objective is to imply complicity of blacks in the slave market and assign equal culpability.

Or maybe the objective is to point out that all races have owned slaves and been slaves.

Oh for Christ sake.......Just STOP it
Making yourself look like a fool

 

[otto105]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Polk wasn't a confederate, he died shortly after leaving office long before the War of Northern Aggression.

BTW, libs condemned Eisenhower as Literally Hitler for daring to oppose the liberal hero Stevenson.

Funny you should bring that up. I suggest you read up on the 1956 Republican Convention Plank. It was pretty damned liberal. The complete changeover of the parties had not been completely done yet and both parties had about the same number of Conservatives and Liberals. Just remember, a lot of what Kennedy and Johnson got credit for in race relations was started or proposed by Eisenhower. The group that was created in 1957 that was going after Eisenhower was the John Birch Society that claimed he was a Communist. Funny how the JBS just took up the mantle of the failed debacle that McCarthy did. You picked a really bad time to use as an example. The Republican Party was still pretty damned Liberal and Progressive at that point but it also had Conservative ideas as well. It was about as well balanced as it ever was.

Just because you say so doesn't make it a fact.

daryl,

You should actually know Ike's positions (or rather non-positions) on race relations. Ike had no desire to be involved in any civil rights movement.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Make Lee a hero and Grant a villain
That is a matter of personal opinion and everyone has a right to his/her own. I think that most historians consider Lee the best general from either side. I personally don't consider Grant a villain but I don't consider him an especially good general or especially honorable man.
Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
The war was about State's rights including the right to succeed from the Union and allow the ownership of slaves. Well documented history. Who claims that slavery was not a consideration?
Blame blacks for slavery
Who blames blacks for slavery?
Claim blacks supported the Confederacy
Some did. Some owned black slaves themselves. I think most didn't know or think much about politics. I also think that most when freed would have preferred their former condition to suddenly finding themselves penniless, homeless, jobless, possibly starving and possibly trying to provide for a family without any education or idea of how to do so. Most of the folks that needed employees were either killed in the war or without businesses or jobs themselves. In addition many blamed blacks for the war because the North kept insisting blacks were the reason they were killing Southerners. This belief-and the fact that there were many black carpetbaggers and placed in power by the Northern occupation- contributed to post war discrimination and the Crow laws.
Birth of a Nation
Once again you speak without saying anything. That's not even a complete sentence. If you object to something take the time to say what it is. The world isn't full of mind readers and if it were they wouldn't necessarily want to read your's.

Rather than give you room to slither how about let's view "The Birth of a Nation" itself. It's over 3 hours long and was widely distributed including a viewing in the whitehouse by President Wilson.

Odd my limited slithering ability doesn't seem in any way restricted. Maybe because I had nothing to do with that film, The Daughters of the Confederacy, or this (probably imaginary) Lost Cause movement. I will not be held responsible for someone elses' thoughts or actions. I recall seeing Birth of a Nation and considered it largely a propaganda piece. I doubt that I watched it all the way through for that reason but that's all I know or care about the movie. Has there never been propaganda with a Northern slant?
You seem to maintain more hate than those who fought the Civil war had.

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Apparently you don't read well
I had nothing to do with the movie or the Daughters of the Confederacy.
I never saw or heard of the movie or alleged movement even though I live in the South.
You can't even be bothered to point our what you consider an attempt to "change" history by me or anyone else.
You, Sir, do not know what you are talking about.
If you are going to charge me with something back it up or admit you are just another blow-hard propagandist who spouts off but says nothing.

What you are is a product of that method and it's still practiced in many families in the US. Any other country that went through it would have outlawed any and all monuments and not allowed the bastardization of the truth to be spread like it was and still is. And I bet you think the Earth is flat and the Landing on the Moon was faked as well.

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Apparently you don't read well
I had nothing to do with the movie or the Daughters of the Confederacy.
I never saw or heard of the movie or alleged movement even though I live in the South.
You can't even be bothered to point our what you consider an attempt to "change" history by me or anyone else.
You, Sir, do not know what you are talking about.
If you are going to charge me with something back it up or admit you are just another blow-hard propagandist who spouts off but says nothing.

What you are is a product of that method and it's still practiced in many families in the US. Any other country that went through it would have outlawed any and all monuments and not allowed the bastardization of the truth to be spread like it was and still is. And I bet you think the Earth is flat and the Landing on the Moon was faked as well.

 

[justinacolmena]

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

I assume that they have relatives and descendants still living in the area to this day, and that some measure of peace with them is to be achieved.

At the same time I have a sneaking suspicion that some of the old-money family bosses of the deep south are now highly enraged and resentful that modern U.S. military bases bear the names of their ancestors, after certain recent events.

 

[9thIDdoc]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Apparently you don't read well
I had nothing to do with the movie or the Daughters of the Confederacy.
I never saw or heard of the movie or alleged movement even though I live in the South.
You can't even be bothered to point our what you consider an attempt to "change" history by me or anyone else.
You, Sir, do not know what you are talking about.
If you are going to charge me with something back it up or admit you are just another blow-hard propagandist who spouts off but says nothing.

What you are is a product of that method and it's still practiced in many families in the US. Any other country that went through it would have outlawed any and all monuments and not allowed the bastardization of the truth to be spread like it was and still is. And I bet you think the Earth is flat and the Landing on the Moon was faked as well.

Movement or method? And you haven't proven either. What I think is that you attempting to change history while tossing around baseless accusations as defection.
Do you realize that asserting that there is a Black America White America Brown America etc or Jewish America or Latino America is both racist and divisive? When we are all just Americans we will have started putting away racism. You don't fight racism by becoming racist.

 

[9thIDdoc]

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Most insidious vestige of the Confederacy is the name of the Democrat party

Hahaha.... oh man, how stupid. Yes, it's Democrats crying like little bitches that everyone is trying to "destroy their heritage:".

Uh, no.

Even worse when YOU feel no shame for your party's past VITAL roles in secession, systematic racism, and abusive racial laws and policies... Change the ******* name.. BECAUSE every EDUCATED AMERICAN knows what you're hiding and the HYPOCRISY of your attempts to CONTINUE to divide this country...

Cute whining!

But again... Its the republicans crying about the confederate flags...and this is 2020, not 1863....so, join us in reality, ya crybaby, and stop hiding under a rock and face the world as it is.

Of course, you're one of the confederate flag crybabies, so i doubt you will grow a pair and admit any of this like a big boy.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Germany didn't try and rewrite history and try and make Naizism look like a walk in the park.

"The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?"

So why exactly is the left trying to rewrite history to pretend slavery never existed?

You seem to have your "Rtwing" and your "Ltwing" mixed up. Standard Party of the Rump answer.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Polk wasn't a confederate, he died shortly after leaving office long before the War of Northern Aggression.

BTW, libs condemned Eisenhower as Literally Hitler for daring to oppose the liberal hero Stevenson.

Funny you should bring that up. I suggest you read up on the 1956 Republican Convention Plank. It was pretty damned liberal. The complete changeover of the parties had not been completely done yet and both parties had about the same number of Conservatives and Liberals. Just remember, a lot of what Kennedy and Johnson got credit for in race relations was started or proposed by Eisenhower. The group that was created in 1957 that was going after Eisenhower was the John Birch Society that claimed he was a Communist. Funny how the JBS just took up the mantle of the failed debacle that McCarthy did. You picked a really bad time to use as an example. The Republican Party was still pretty damned Liberal and Progressive at that point but it also had Conservative ideas as well. It was about as well balanced as it ever was.

Just because you say so doesn't make it a fact.

daryl,

You should actually know Ike's positions (or rather non-positions) on race relations. Ike had no desire to be involved in any civil rights movement.

But he got involved because he had to. Ike always did what he had to do as a General and then as a President.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Apparently you don't read well
I had nothing to do with the movie or the Daughters of the Confederacy.
I never saw or heard of the movie or alleged movement even though I live in the South.
You can't even be bothered to point our what you consider an attempt to "change" history by me or anyone else.
You, Sir, do not know what you are talking about.
If you are going to charge me with something back it up or admit you are just another blow-hard propagandist who spouts off but says nothing.

What you are is a product of that method and it's still practiced in many families in the US. Any other country that went through it would have outlawed any and all monuments and not allowed the bastardization of the truth to be spread like it was and still is. And I bet you think the Earth is flat and the Landing on the Moon was faked as well.

Movement or method? And you haven't proven either. What I think is that you attempting to change history while tossing around baseless accusations as defection.
Do you realize that asserting that there is a Black America White America Brown America etc or Jewish America or Latino America is both racist and divisive? When we are all just Americans we will have started putting away racism. You don't fight racism by becoming racist.

Step one, admit your a racist. You fail the first step.

 

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I believe they are part of history. Whether we like it or not, it is part of our heritage. That would like like Germany renaming Auschwitz and the other Concentration camps. It is part of their history. We may not agree to what happened there. But nonetheless...

I think that the Left is not really offended by confederate monuments and army base names.
They are trying to cause cultural tensions to get out the vote to help their lame Dem candidates .
It always about power, and power is always about money.