Time to rename our Confederate Forts

[rightwinger]

Blame blacks for slavery
Who blames blacks for slavery?

Just read this thread. It goes something like this....

You know......it was blacks who captured slaves in Africa
You know.....Blacks owned slaves too
You know......Blacks fought for the Confederacy

The objective is to imply complicity of blacks in the slave market and assign equal culpability.

 

[Polishprince]

Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
The war was about State's rights including the right to succeed from the Union and allow the ownership of slaves. Well documented history. Who claims that slavery was not a consideration?

The States Rights argument was always about a states right to allow slavery.
The Lost Cause movement has tried to avoid the issue of slavery as a cause for the war

People in the South are against Slavery, that's the point.

My brother as well as the nieces and nephews live in Dixie, although with several of my cousins. And to the individual, every one is solidly against Slavery.

 

[Polishprince]

Blame blacks for slavery
Who blames blacks for slavery?

Just read this thread. It goes something like this....

You know......it was blacks who captured slaves in Africa
You know.....Blacks owned slaves too
You know......Blacks fought for the Confederacy

The objective is to imply complicity of blacks in the slave market and assign equal culpability.

No the objective is to show its not a matter of "group guilt", but a sin of individuals and those who were never slaveholders bear zero responsibility.

Libs want to condemn all Southern conservative Honkies, as a group.

 

[Yarddog]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

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Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Completely different dynamics between Nazi Germany and The Confederacy Generals.
Nazi Germany was under the grip a a dictator, Hitler... who many of Germany's military people outside of the Nazi party hated but were forced to obey. Hitler also tried to take over All of Europe and his personal actions brought devastation on his country.

The war between the North and the South was something quite different and reconciliation was necessary. The Confederate generals were not dictators who drove the political policy of the confederacy in the way Hitler did.

Should confederate statues be brought down? Maybe so but because there are sentiments on both sides it should not have been Mob Rule that made that decision. Otherwise whats to stop the mob from pulling down statues of George Washington? Or determine anything else unworthy and racist just because they say so?

There Was a proper procedure for removing these things if the American people want to make a decision together on it.

Both Nazi Germany and the Confederacy committed human atrocities. Slavery is an atrocity

Yes, slavery is an atrocity and we ban slavery in the United States. So then what if the Mob tells you George Washington had slaves... so down comes his monuments? The people who wrote the Constitution had slaves so... Slavery is an atrocity.... that constitution shit is invalid according to the mob come tomorrow.
You have no idea what can of worms is opened when you allow mob rule. The fact about the statues is they do not necessarily celebrate slavery to many people. I guess you need to talk to some southerners about what they feel on that, but what it comes down to is what I said in my previous post.
The process and how the rule of law unites us and helps us to understand and respect each other.
Democrats seem to be in love with mob rule right now because the mob hates TRUMP.. and that suits their purpose.
Please understand what I'm saying.

 

[rightwinger]

Claim blacks supported the Confederacy
Some did. Some owned black slaves themselves. I think most didn't know or think much about politics

Another attempt to assign complicity of blacks. A common tactic of the lost cause movement. It ignores the extremely small percentage of slaves owned by other blacks and also ignores blacks who bought family members or friends with the intent of liberating them. Blacks owning other blacks was more of an indentured servitude to pay back their purchase price.

 

[rightwinger]

Birth of a Nation
Once again you speak without saying anything. That's not even a complete sentence. If you object to something take the time to say what it is. The world isn't full of mind readers and if it were they wouldn't necessarily want to read your's.

Birth of a Nation was an influential film released by DW Griffith and was also known as “The Clansman ”
It coincided with the rise of the second klan and was the most popular film of the era.
The movie glorified the klan and villainized blacks as lazy and greedy and deserving of how they were treated.

 

[Polishprince]

Claim blacks supported the Confederacy
Some did. Some owned black slaves themselves. I think most didn't know or think much about politics

Another attempt to assign complicity of blacks. A common tactic of the lost cause movement. It ignores the extremely small percentage of slaves owned by other blacks and also ignores blacks who bought family members or friends with the intent of liberating them. Blacks owning other blacks was more of an indentured servitude to pay back their purchase price.

And how does all of that justify the Group Guilt that libs are attaching to all 21st Century Southern Honkies for the sins of people in the 19th Century?

 

[Polishprince]

Birth of a Nation
Once again you speak without saying anything. That's not even a complete sentence. If you object to something take the time to say what it is. The world isn't full of mind readers and if it were they wouldn't necessarily want to read your's.

Birth of a Nation was an influential film released by DW Griffin and was also known as “The Klansmen”
It coincided with the rise of the second klan and was the most popular film of the era.
The movie glorified the klan and villainized blacks as lazy and greedy and deserving of how they were treated.

It was an influential LIBERAL film that came of Hollywood, and that leftist President Wilson loved and gave private showings in the WH- when that was tough to do in the pre-DVD age.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

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Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Germany didn't try and rewrite history and try and make Naizism look like a walk in the park.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Germany still maintains the Hitlercare program, the risky medical scheme of the 30's and 40's.

That system was from the Social Democrat days BEFORE Hitlers nightmare. Most of Europe uses the same health care and are doing better in that arena than we are today. Damn you can sure spread it.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Germany still maintains the Hitlercare program, the risky medical scheme of the 30's and 40's.

It works

Hitlercare is a monument to Hitler. I don't really care how "efficient" it is. Time for Germany to de-nazified, and eliminate socialism in all of its society if they really want to denounce Hitler.

Do you mean it's time for ALL of Europe too abandon a Health Care system that works in favor of one that doesn't just so you can say you are right? Sorry, you just ain't that important, Bubba.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Apparently you don't read well
I had nothing to do with the movie or the Daughters of the Confederacy.
I never saw or heard of the movie or alleged movement even though I live in the South.
You can't even be bothered to point our what you consider an attempt to "change" history by me or anyone else.
You, Sir, do not know what you are talking about.
If you are going to charge me with something back it up or admit you are just another blow-hard propagandist who spouts off but says nothing.

What you are is a product of that method and it's still practiced in many families in the US. Any other country that went through it would have outlawed any and all monuments and not allowed the bastardization of the truth to be spread like it was and still is. And I bet you think the Earth is flat and the Landing on the Moon was faked as well.

 

[Polishprince]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Germany didn't try and rewrite history and try and make Naizism look like a walk in the park.

That's of course a load of shit. I wasn't born until 1956, but I remember Germans goose-stepping around America, talking about a 4th Reich and guys like Waldo Von Erich and Hans Mortier threatening to take the WWWF title back to Germany.

The Germans love national Socialism, to this day they still support Draconian Style Gun Control as well as Socialized Medicine, the hallmarks of Hitler's system. There is a letter from Hitler to Julius Streicher online, where Hitler shows his pleasure in achieving his aims after death.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Make Lee a hero and Grant a villain
That is a matter of personal opinion and everyone has a right to his/her own. I think that most historians consider Lee the best general from either side. I personally don't consider Grant a villain but I don't consider him an especially good general or especially honorable man.
Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
The war was about State's rights including the right to succeed from the Union and allow the ownership of slaves. Well documented history. Who claims that slavery was not a consideration?
Blame blacks for slavery
Who blames blacks for slavery?
Claim blacks supported the Confederacy
Some did. Some owned black slaves themselves. I think most didn't know or think much about politics. I also think that most when freed would have preferred their former condition to suddenly finding themselves penniless, homeless, jobless, possibly starving and possibly trying to provide for a family without any education or idea of how to do so. Most of the folks that needed employees were either killed in the war or without businesses or jobs themselves. In addition many blamed blacks for the war because the North kept insisting blacks were the reason they were killing Southerners. This belief-and the fact that there were many black carpetbaggers and placed in power by the Northern occupation- contributed to post war discrimination and the Crow laws.
Birth of a Nation
Once again you speak without saying anything. That's not even a complete sentence. If you object to something take the time to say what it is. The world isn't full of mind readers and if it were they wouldn't necessarily want to read your's.

Rather than give you room to slither how about let's view "The Birth of a Nation" itself. It's over 3 hours long and was widely distributed including a viewing in the whitehouse by President Wilson.

 

[Jitss617]

Chicago 280 murders this year,, confederate flag (SQUIRREL)!!!! Lol

 

[Daryl Hunt]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Completely different dynamics between Nazi Germany and The Confederacy Generals.
Nazi Germany was under the grip a a dictator, Hitler... who many of Germany's military people outside of the Nazi party hated but were forced to obey. Hitler also tried to take over All of Europe and his personal actions brought devastation on his country.

The war between the North and the South was something quite different and reconciliation was necessary. The Confederate generals were not dictators who drove the political policy of the confederacy in the way Hitler did.

Should confederate statues be brought down? Maybe so but because there are sentiments on both sides it should not have been Mob Rule that made that decision. Otherwise whats to stop the mob from pulling down statues of George Washington? Or determine anything else unworthy and racist just because they say so?

There Was a proper procedure for removing these things if the American people want to make a decision together on it.

Both Nazi Germany and the Confederacy committed human atrocities. Slavery is an atrocity

Socialized Medicine is an atrocity as well, and has been compared to Slavery. So should Obama be removed from the history books?

That's quite a stretch, there, slick

 

[Polishprince]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

www.indystar.com

View attachment 348955

Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Completely different dynamics between Nazi Germany and The Confederacy Generals.
Nazi Germany was under the grip a a dictator, Hitler... who many of Germany's military people outside of the Nazi party hated but were forced to obey. Hitler also tried to take over All of Europe and his personal actions brought devastation on his country.

The war between the North and the South was something quite different and reconciliation was necessary. The Confederate generals were not dictators who drove the political policy of the confederacy in the way Hitler did.

Should confederate statues be brought down? Maybe so but because there are sentiments on both sides it should not have been Mob Rule that made that decision. Otherwise whats to stop the mob from pulling down statues of George Washington? Or determine anything else unworthy and racist just because they say so?

There Was a proper procedure for removing these things if the American people want to make a decision together on it.

Both Nazi Germany and the Confederacy committed human atrocities. Slavery is an atrocity

Socialized Medicine is an atrocity as well, and has been compared to Slavery. So should Obama be removed from the history books?

That's quite a stretch, there, slick

I heard it myself, a leading African American leader points out how Obamacare is a form of Slavery.

Ben Carson compares Obamacare to slavery

Dr. Ben Carson, a conservative commentator and neurosurgeon, spoke about the Affordable Care Act at the 2013 Values Voter Summit.

www.politico.com

 

[Daryl Hunt]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

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Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Germany didn't try and rewrite history and try and make Naizism look like a walk in the park.

That's of course a load of shit. I wasn't born until 1956, but I remember Germans goose-stepping around America, talking about a 4th Reich and guys like Waldo Von Erich and Hans Mortier threatening to take the WWWF title back to Germany.

The Germans love national Socialism, to this day they still support Draconian Style Gun Control as well as Socialized Medicine, the hallmarks of Hitler's system. There is a letter from Hitler to Julius Streicher online, where Hitler shows his pleasure in achieving his aims after death.

Hitler didn't invent the health care. It was already in place, like many other European Countries, before he rose to power. As for Gun Control, If you were good German, you had no gun controls. If you weren't, guns were the least of your worries unless you count the ones in the hands of the Nazis rounding you up.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

10 military bases named after Confederate generals

President Donald Trump on Wednesday jumped into the debate over whether to change the names of 10 Army bases that are named for Confederate generals.

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Its all part of history. The names remind us of the war we fought to preserve the union AND to end slavery, and basically, that war is over now. Picking at old wounds is a curious thing but its what political movements like to use as emotional fuel.
I don't go for it because its BS. It's better to face history than run away from it.

It's also a waste of resources to do all this when a. I imagine simply doing something like this is going to come with a price tag as well. I bet you some politician is getting some money through the backdoor on this one.

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

Why? The Lost Cause movement

That would be because the South had better and much more honorable generals.

Bragg, Hood, Benning, Polk are better and more honorable than Grant, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Marshall and Patton?

Grant is the only Civil War era general you mentioned and he was not an especially good general and he allowed Sherman to sully any honor he was due. The rest have had many things named after them but I doubt they were even born when most of the forts were named.

"The lost cause movement" is a Northern invention and delusion as far I know.

The Movie "Lost Cause" was financed and promoted by the Daughters of the Confederates. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You think a movie few have ever heard of or seen is some kind of "movement"? You don't even bother to mention what it is you consider false. Since I've never known them to do anything of which I would disapprove I have to wonder if you just don't like having Northern lies exposed.

Considering it was widespread viewed in just about every southern movie house for a few years and even screen in the White House, your idea of just a few is a bit off. Try again. You are trying to rewrite history once again. Sorry, didn't work out for you.

Lost Cause was more than a movie. It was a movement that permeated text books, curriculums, monuments, museums. They rewrote history to remove the embarrassment of slavery

How would you suggest that people deal with their defeats? Constantly continue to put themselves down for all eternity?

The Germans never prostate themselves to America for their Holocaust Policy. When did Merkel ever bend a knee to America?

Ummmm...

Germany has totally disavowed Nazi Germany. There are no monuments to Hitler, no holidays celebrating Nazi heritage, no military installations honoring Nazi Generals

Completely different dynamics between Nazi Germany and The Confederacy Generals.
Nazi Germany was under the grip a a dictator, Hitler... who many of Germany's military people outside of the Nazi party hated but were forced to obey. Hitler also tried to take over All of Europe and his personal actions brought devastation on his country.

The war between the North and the South was something quite different and reconciliation was necessary. The Confederate generals were not dictators who drove the political policy of the confederacy in the way Hitler did.

Should confederate statues be brought down? Maybe so but because there are sentiments on both sides it should not have been Mob Rule that made that decision. Otherwise whats to stop the mob from pulling down statues of George Washington? Or determine anything else unworthy and racist just because they say so?

There Was a proper procedure for removing these things if the American people want to make a decision together on it.

Both Nazi Germany and the Confederacy committed human atrocities. Slavery is an atrocity

Socialized Medicine is an atrocity as well, and has been compared to Slavery. So should Obama be removed from the history books?

That's quite a stretch, there, slick

I heard it myself, a leading African American leader points out how Obamacare is a form of Slavery.

Ben Carson compares Obamacare to slavery

Dr. Ben Carson, a conservative commentator and neurosurgeon, spoke about the Affordable Care Act at the 2013 Values Voter Summit.

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Rather than just toss out that statement, how about telling us Who and give us the cite so we can see it. You don't mind if the rest of us don't take your word about it, do you?

 

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Claim the war was about “states rights” and had nothing to do with slavery
The war was about State's rights including the right to succeed from the Union and allow the ownership of slaves. Well documented history. Who claims that slavery was not a consideration?

The States Rights argument was always about a states right to allow slavery.
The Lost Cause movement has tried to avoid the issue of slavery as a cause for the war

People in the South are against Slavery, that's the point.

My brother as well as the nieces and nephews live in Dixie, although with several of my cousins. And to the individual, every one is solidly against Slavery.

But you are obviously not for Equality. And that is what this is about.