Three years left to limit warming to 1.5C, leading scientists warn

[westwall]

Not according to google. According to google it’s 200 meters and drops off greatly within a couple of meters.

But so what? Why is there a thermal gradient below that? Where is that heat coming from? Because it gets colder the deeper it gets. Are you saying heat is rising from colder waters to warmer waters? That’s idiotic.

I don't care what Google says. I know what physics says.

Physics trumps computer derived fiction.

Every. Single. Time.

 

[ding]

No, I threaten your job, by busting CO2 FRAUD, which is the one thing you are MOST OPPOSED TO DOING...

You want CO2 FRAUD to continue.

You cannot refute one word EMH posts.

You’re an idiot like bulldog.

 

[ding]

I don't care what Google says. I know what physics says.

Physics trumps computer derived fiction.

Every. Single. Time.

You’re beliefs are quite idiotic. Which is why you can’t post anything that supports your belief that the ocean’s thermal gradient exists because heat rises.

Where is this heat rising from? Can you at least answer that?

 

[toobfreak]

Ocean convection is a crucial process in the world's oceans, playing a significant role in
deep ocean circulation and global climate regulation.

Well, I'm no oceanographer nor even any kind of earth scientist, but convection implies with it a THERMAL component, whereas, I imagine that any currents in the deep ocean are driven more by the rotation of the Earth. Since cold water tends to sink and warm water tends to rise, they tend to separate--- the exact opposite of the conditions needed to cause convection.

Convection is the situation where warm material (gas, liquid) are trapped below with cold material trapped high, causing a convective pressure to try to equalize, but the ocean is already pretty equalized.

If you look at how the oceans are laid out, the deep ocean is pretty isolated from the upper ocean and I imagine is pretty static and would take something pretty catastrophic to disturb it.

 

[toobfreak]

Which is why you can’t post anything that supports your belief that the ocean’s thermal gradient exists because heat rises.

Ding, I could be wrong, but I think the proper word for the ocean's gradients might be: 'isostatic.' Warm water is lighter, less dense, more buoyant, cold water sinks, and the thermocline is simply the natural boundary between the two where the natural greatest transition forms based on the rates of heating, cooling and mixing.

 

[westwall]

You’re beliefs are quite idiotic. Which is why you can’t post anything that supports your belief that the ocean’s thermal gradient exists because heat rises.

Where is this heat rising from? Can you at least answer that?

I post simple physics. You know, the forces that govern the universe.

You post silly computer derived fiction and expect people to listen to you.

 

[westwall]

Well, I'm no oceanographer nor even any kind of earth scientist, but convection implies with it a THERMAL component, whereas, I imagine that any currents in the deep ocean are driven more by the rotation of the Earth. Since cold water tends to sink and warm water tends to rise, they tend to separate--- the exact opposite of the conditions needed to cause convection.

Convection is the situation where warm material (gas, liquid) are trapped below with cold material trapped high, causing a convective pressure to try to equalize, but the ocean is already pretty equalized.

If you look at how the oceans are laid out, the deep ocean is pretty isolated from the upper ocean and I imagine is pretty static and would take something pretty catastrophic to disturb it.

Correct.

 

[ding]

I post simple physics. You know, the forces that govern the universe.

You post silly computer derived fiction and expect people to listen to you.

Your logic is flawed. If you believe thermal gradients exist because physics says heat rises, then why is it cooler the further up you go in the atmosphere?

You are ignoring thermodynamics and where is this heat rising up from in the ocean?

 

[westwall]

Your logic is flawed. If you believe thermal gradients exist because physics says heat rises, then why is it cooler the further up you go in the atmosphere?

You are ignoring thermodynamics and where is this heat rising up from in the ocean?

Lack of atoms.

 

[ReinyDays]

I have. Heat moves from warmer objects to cooler objects.

You seem to be confusing convection for heat transfer.

Can you post a link describing heat rising?

So heat rises in the water column ...

Yes, little boy, convection is heat transfer ... how else does a central heater work, conduction? ...

A link - Buoyancy - Wikipedia -

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None of this means I agree with UV radiation penetrating to 500 meters underwater ... very little solar UV gets through the top 1% of the atmosphere ... the ozone layer ... what tiny amount that does reach the ocean surface will be absorbed immediately ...

No surprise ... the deepest wavelengths are the same as the Sun's peak wavelengths ... but how would divers know about this?:

 

[westwall]

So heat rises in the water column ...

Yes, little boy, convection is heat transfer ... how else does a central heater work, conduction? ...

A link - Buoyancy - Wikipedia -

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None of this means I agree with UV radiation penetrating to 500 meters underwater ... very little solar UV gets through the top 1% of the atmosphere ... the ozone layer ... what tiny amount that does reach the ocean surface will be absorbed immediately ...

No surprise ... the deepest wavelengths are the same as the Sun's peak wavelengths ... but how would divers know about this?:

The blue light at 500m is all you can see. Below that is only darkness. Even looking up all you see is black because no light penetrates below 500m.

 

[ReinyDays]

The blue light at 500m is all you can see. Below that is only darkness. Even looking up all you see is black because no light penetrates below 500m.

Link? ... you keep saying that but every scientific source I've checked says 150 meters for 500 nm light, the solar peak value ... that's also a wavelength not normally used by biology ...

UV penetrates to a depth of 500m.

Are you walking back this claim now? ...

 

[westwall]

Link? ... you keep saying that but every scientific source I've checked says 150 meters for 500 nm light, the solar peak value ... that's also a wavelength not normally used by biology ...



Are you walking back this claim now? ...

When I get on a proper computer I can post it, but it is already in this thread. IIRC.

 

[ReinyDays]

When I get on a proper computer I can post it, but it is already in this thread. IIRC.

My point is ... from an atmospheric point-of-view ... we treat the ocean as a surface ... what goes on below is important, for sure, but primarily we only look at the surface layer of water molecules ... it is these molecules with the highest temperatures, therefore they have the most force acting on them ...

If the molecule is ejected from the liquid media ... it holds that energy ... and it won't effect NOAA-grade thermometers ... it's this "latent heat" everyone seems to ignore ...

It takes 1,000 joules of energy to raise the temperature of a kilogram of air 1ºC ... the extra gram of water that needs to be evaporated takes 2,200 joules ... (yes, 100% RH is the equilibrium state here) ... 2/3's of the energy is hidden from NOAA-grade thermometers ... you know ... $10 at your local Walmart ...

 

[Unkotare]

Three years left to limit warming to 1.5C, top scientists warn

The Earth could be doomed to breach a key climate target in as little as three years, scientists warn.

www.bbc.co.uk

The Earth could be doomed to breach the symbolic 1.5C warming limit in as little as three years at current levels of carbon dioxide emissions.

That's the stark warning from more than 60 of the world's leading climate scientists in the most up-to-date assessment of the state of global warming.

Nearly 200 countries agreed to try to limit global temperature rises to 1.5C above levels of the late 1800s in a landmark agreement in 2015, with the aim of avoiding some of the worst impacts of climate change.

But countries have continued to burn record amounts of coal, oil and gas and chop down carbon-rich forests - leaving that international goal in peril.

It's summer, so here's the latest climate prediction.

I wonder what the dinosaurs would think of our very low heat and co2 levels

I seem to remember the exact same hysteria more than 30 years ago.

 

[ReinyDays]

I seem to remember the exact same hysteria more than 30 years ago.

Asteroid Attacks all over again ... with so little to fear these days, we must create enemies ... conservation laws allow that ...

 

[westwall]

My point is ... from an atmospheric point-of-view ... we treat the ocean as a surface ... what goes on below is important, for sure, but primarily we only look at the surface layer of water molecules ... it is these molecules with the highest temperatures, therefore they have the most force acting on them ...

If the molecule is ejected from the liquid media ... it holds that energy ... and it won't effect NOAA-grade thermometers ... it's this "latent heat" everyone seems to ignore ...

It takes 1,000 joules of energy to raise the temperature of a kilogram of air 1ºC ... the extra gram of water that needs to be evaporated takes 2,200 joules ... (yes, 100% RH is the equilibrium state here) ... 2/3's of the energy is hidden from NOAA-grade thermometers ... you know ... $10 at your local Walmart ...

The issue is the depths of the oceans are what regulate the global temperatures. Not the surface.

It is now well established that the AGW theory of the atmosphere regulating global temperature is toast.

Empirical data has proven that beyond doubt. The only place it still exists is in computer models.

 

[ding]

Lack of atoms.

And apparently the atoms that aren’t there don’t match your belief that heat rises.

 

[ding]

So heat rises in the water column ...

Yes, little boy, convection is heat transfer ... how else does a central heater work, conduction? ...

A link - Buoyancy - Wikipedia -

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None of this means I agree with UV radiation penetrating to 500 meters underwater ... very little solar UV gets through the top 1% of the atmosphere ... the ozone layer ... what tiny amount that does reach the ocean surface will be absorbed immediately ...

No surprise ... the deepest wavelengths are the same as the Sun's peak wavelengths ... but how would divers know about this?:

What causes the thermal gradient in the ocean?

Is it heat rising from below or is it heat transfer from above?

 

[ding]

So heat rises in the water column ...

Yes, little boy, convection is heat transfer ... how else does a central heater work, conduction? ...

A link - Buoyancy - Wikipedia -

-----

None of this means I agree with UV radiation penetrating to 500 meters underwater ... very little solar UV gets through the top 1% of the atmosphere ... the ozone layer ... what tiny amount that does reach the ocean surface will be absorbed immediately ...

No surprise ... the deepest wavelengths are the same as the Sun's peak wavelengths ... but how would divers know about this?:

Little boy?

That says more about you than it does me.