Three years left to limit warming to 1.5C, leading scientists warn

westwall said:
You post silly computer derived fiction and expect people to listen to you.
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The thermal gradient of the ocean isn’t a computer model.

Ocean temperatures rising and falling during glacial cycles aren’t a computer model.
 
westwall said:
The issue is the depths of the oceans are what regulate the global temperatures. Not the surface.

It is now well established that the AGW theory of the atmosphere regulating global temperature is toast.

Empirical data has proven that beyond doubt. The only place it still exists is in computer models.
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Bold statements ... made without citations ...

I agree the oceans moderate atmospheric temperatures ... because they change temperature together ... what egg-heads call a "coupled system" ... neither "regulates" the other, no more a couple dozen other factors ... like cloud cover for example ...

Yes, the atmosphere does regulate atmospheric temperatures ... although that's a redundant statement ... and there's no place in AGW Theory for the abyssal depths ...
 
ReinyDays said:
Bold statements ... made without citations ...

I agree the oceans moderate atmospheric temperatures ... because they change temperature together ... what egg-heads call a "coupled system" ... neither "regulates" the other, no more a couple dozen other factors ... like cloud cover for example ...

Yes, the atmosphere does regulate atmospheric temperatures ... although that's a redundant statement ... and there's no place in AGW Theory for the abyssal depths ...
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If the atmosphere regulated temperature there would be a Hotspot.

There isn't. The water vapor in the atmosphere slows down the rate of energy loss to space though, that is a fact.
 
westwall said:
If the atmosphere regulated temperature there would be a Hotspot.

There isn't. The water vapor in the atmosphere slows down the rate of energy loss to space though, that is a fact.
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Why ... and what do you mean by "hotspot" ... the equator is the warmest place, because it receives the most solar energy ...

You're being evasive ... how does the abyssal depths regulate atmospheric temperatures? ... I certainly don't need reminded that water vapor is far and away the most abundant GHG ... do you understand that is in addition to water vapor's roll in convecting energy away from the above mention equator? ...

Yellowstone is a Hotspot, but that's not part of sea or sky ...
 
ReinyDays said:
Why ... and what do you mean by "hotspot" ... the equator is the warmest place, because it receives the most solar energy ...

You're being evasive ... how does the abyssal depths regulate atmospheric temperatures? ... I certainly don't need reminded that water vapor is far and away the most abundant GHG ... do you understand that is in addition to water vapor's roll in convecting energy away from the above mention equator? ...

Yellowstone is a Hotspot, but that's not part of sea or sky ...
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The abysmal depths don't regulate global temp. The ocean above the thermocline does.
 
westwall said:
The abysmal depths don't regulate global temp. The ocean above the thermocline does.
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You mean the thermocline which is beneath the warmer, well-mixed surface layer of the ocean :rolleyes:

Did heat rise up from below the thermocline to heat the warmer, well mixed layer or did the sun heat the warmer, well mixed layer from the top down?
 
ReinyDays said:
Yeah ... the surface waters ... mostly in the first few meters ...
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Maybe. The evidence is out. All that exists now are computer models.

Physics tells us that large bodies are difficult to alter. The surface temperature of water can vary quite a bit due to shallow depth, which means it will regulate very little.

The vast oceans, the deep ones, stay a very steady temperature. THAT is your regulator.

Remember, the ice core data is very clear, warming occurs first, then 800 years later, CO2 levels increase. So you have centuries where the temp stays high, which allows the CO2 to be released by the ocean waters.

What causes that heat?
 
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ding said:
You mean the thermocline which is beneath the warmer, well-mixed surface layer of the ocean :rolleyes:

Did heat rise up from below the thermocline to heat the warmer, well mixed layer or did the sun heat the warmer, well mixed layer from the top down?
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The thermocline is the boundary where no energy from the Sun ever reaches, among other attributes.
 
westwall said:
Maybe. The evidence is out. All that exists now are computer models.

Physics tells us that large bodies are difficult to alter. The surface temperature of water can vary quite a bit due to shallow depth, which means it will regulate very little.

The vast oceans, the deep ones, stay a very steady temperature. THAT is your regulator.

Remember, the ice core data is very clear, warming occurs first, then 800 years later, CO2 levels increase. So you have centuries where the temp stays high, which allows the CO2 to be released by the ocean waters.

What causes that heat?
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There's no maybe about it ...the top layer of water molecules are the hottest ... therefore they have the most amount of force being applied to them ... further, any energy flow will be strongest at this molecular layer ...

The ocean changes temperature at the surface regularly ... this is demonstrated by the El Nino/La Nina oscillation, the ocean abyss doesn't seem to regulate this phenomena at all ... that's because there's no thermal transport within the water column ... any solar energy absorbed at the surface remains there ... until it re-radiates back out towards space, or evaporates the water to her vapor state ... very very very little energy is conducted down the water column, or up for that matter ...

It's call quiescence ... not regulation ...

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You're being evasive ... my dispute with you is your claim UV penetrates down to 500 meters ocean depth ... you said you'd post your citation when you got to a regular computer keyboard ... my references say over 95% of solar UV is absorbed in the top 1% of the atmosphere, the ozone layer ... UVA reaches a maximum of 20 meters, UVB at 5 meters and UVC not at all ...

Strangely, the wavelength that reaches deepest into the ocean is the same as the wavelength the solar maximum ... ≈ 500 nm ... who'd of thought? ...

Legend has it one can't get sunburned at the Dead Sea ... 400 meters below sea level, but without all the liquid water ... UV doesn't reach the ground, why would anyone think it penetrates the oceans? ...
 
ReinyDays said:
There's no maybe about it ...the top layer of water molecules are the hottest ... therefore they have the most amount of force being applied to them ... further, any energy flow will be strongest at this molecular layer ...

The ocean changes temperature at the surface regularly ... this is demonstrated by the El Nino/La Nina oscillation, the ocean abyss doesn't seem to regulate this phenomena at all ... that's because there's no thermal transport within the water column ... any solar energy absorbed at the surface remains there ... until it re-radiates back out towards space, or evaporates the water to her vapor state ... very very very little energy is conducted down the water column, or up for that matter ...

It's call quiescence ... not regulation ...

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You're being evasive ... my dispute with you is your claim UV penetrates down to 500 meters ocean depth ... you said you'd post your citation when you got to a regular computer keyboard ... my references say over 95% of solar UV is absorbed in the top 1% of the atmosphere, the ozone layer ... UVA reaches a maximum of 20 meters, UVB at 5 meters and UVC not at all ...

Strangely, the wavelength that reaches deepest into the ocean is the same as the wavelength the solar maximum ... ≈ 500 nm ... who'd of thought? ...

Legend has it one can't get sunburned at the Dead Sea ... 400 meters below sea level, but without all the liquid water ... UV doesn't reach the ground, why would anyone think it penetrates the oceans? ...
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Yes, they are the hottest, but they lose that energy in minutes. The deep oceans hold that energy for centuries.
 
ReinyDays said:
You said "regulate" ... now it's "hold" ... eventually you'll say "moderate" ...

The citation for your UV claims? ...
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Hold, and regulate are synonymous.
 
westwall said:
Hold, and regulate are synonymous.
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We all know how DNA "holds" cell function ... yeesh ... those words mean different things ... you're just making stuff up again ... as in:

"The citation for your UV claims?" ...

There is no citation ... is there? ... because it's not true ...
 
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Donald H said:
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We can at least leave this thread with a contrary opinion by the experts.
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CO2 a problem?

China CO2 = (USA *2) + India

But the IPCC (I Protect Communist China) says, you have to go by per capita CO2, the USA is the leading emitter

Well then, China CO2 = 400% India, same population
 
Rigby5 said:
Wrong.
Climate predictions have always been accurate.
The proof is the Northwest Passage that did not exist for tens of thousands of years, suddenly opened in 1997.

Wasting fossil fuel is not a freedom, but harming others.
Doubling the CO2 in the atmosphere is not a right.
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Earth based hydrocarbons do NOT come from fossils
 
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