Zone1 Thou shalt not kill.

[Gracie]

I'm not trying to convert anyone to my beliefs.

I didn't think you were to begin with. Just giving your take on it. Ditto.

 

[BULLDOG]

Suicide. Some say it's wrong because the bible says Thou Shalt Not Kill...and that pertains to suicide because it is killing oneself. But if Thou Shalt Not Kill is not explained in the bible (which it does not concerning suicide) and those that claim suicide is a sin...then couldn't the same pertain to killing animals? Thou Shalt Not Kill. Kill what?

It says kill, but scholars say a better translation would be murder.

 

[Batcat]

It says kill, but scholars say a better translation would be murder.

Not only scholars. The King James Bible may say Thou shalt not kill. but many other translations are different.

Exodus 20:13 You shall not murder.

New International Version
“You shall not murder.

New Living Translation
“You must not murder.

English Standard Version
“You shall not murder.

Berean Standard Bible
You shall not murder.

King James Bible
Thou shalt not kill.

New King James Version
“You shall not murder.

New American Standard Bible
“You shall not murder.

NASB 1995
“You shall not murder.

NASB 1977
“You shall not murder.

Amplified Bible
“You shall not commit murder (unjustified, deliberate homicide).

Christian Standard Bible
Do not murder.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Do not murder.

American Standard Version
Thou shalt not kill.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
You shall not murder.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
Thou shalt not kill.

Contemporary English Version
Do not murder.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Thou shalt not kill.

Good News Translation
"Do not commit murder.

International Standard Version
"You are not to commit murder.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Thou shalt not murder. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Literal Standard Version
You do not murder.

New American Bible
You shall not kill.

NET Bible
"You shall not murder.

New Revised Standard Version
You shall not murder.

New Heart English Bible
"Do not commit adultery.

World English Bible
"You shall not murder.

Young's Literal Translation
'Thou dost not murder.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Suicide. Some say it's wrong because the bible says Thou Shalt Not Kill...and that pertains to suicide because it is killing oneself. But if Thou Shalt Not Kill is not explained in the bible (which it does not concerning suicide) and those that claim suicide is a sin...then couldn't the same pertain to killing animals? Thou Shalt Not Kill. Kill what?

Killing meant humans... people back then understood this due to context and language back then. You're just reading it in modern gotcha technicalities.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

My opinion is...suicide is not a sin. If someone is so miserable, mentally fed up, see no other recourse, is depressed to that extent, is in intolerable pain...then ending it all is relief and a blessing to that person. Judgement for that action is up to God alone, not some other flawed human being to pass that judgement with their own opinion because that is exactly what it is. Opinion. The bible is not clear on many things...including this topic.

The church is consistent in its value of human life to the highest degree based on theology. This is why they oppose the death penalty, believe in the respect and preservation of life in the womb, and oppose suicide.

In many instances suicide/death is the easy way out. Being holy doesn't mean doing what is easiest. Christianity calls for people to bear crosses, sacrifice, and even suffer. God's grace flows towards those who suffer, and those who accept it are said to be on their way to great rewards.

 

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[Batcat]

Killing meant humans... people back then understood this due to context and language back then. You're just reading it in modern gotcha technicalities.

So if “killing meant humans back then“ the Sixth Commandment forbids killing humans.

How do you explain what happened to the people of Jericho once the walls fell down.

The Bible tells us in Joshua Chapter 6 that Joshua carried out God's plan of having the army and priests circle the city walls for seven days before blowing the trumpets that caused the walls to crumble. Once the city's defenses were down, the Israelite army charged in and put every man, woman, child, and animal in Jericho to the sword. The only survivors were Rahab and her family, whose home had been marked for safety by a red cord tied to the window.

Read More: What No One Told You About The Fall Of Jericho - Grunge

The correct translation o the Sixth Commandment is Thous shalt not murder.”

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You don’t murder in combat — you kill.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

So if “killing meant humans back then“ the Sixth Commandment forbids killing humans.

How do you explain what happened to the people of Jericho once the walls fell down.

The Bible tells us in Joshua Chapter 6 that Joshua carried out God's plan of having the army and priests circle the city walls for seven days before blowing the trumpets that caused the walls to crumble. Once the city's defenses were down, the Israelite army charged in and put every man, woman, child, and animal in Jericho to the sword. The only survivors were Rahab and her family, whose home had been marked for safety by a red cord tied to the window.

Read More: What No One Told You About The Fall Of Jericho - Grunge

The correct translation o the Sixth Commandment is Thous shalt not murder.”

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You don’t murder in combat — you kill.

What is your direct question?

 

[Grumblenuts]

In many instances suicide/death is the easy way out. Being holy doesn't mean doing what is easiest. Christianity calls for people to bear crosses, sacrifice, and even suffer. God's grace flows towards those who suffer, and those who accept it are said to be on their way to great rewards.

Indeed, and fine admission. Rendering all the crap about Jesus bearing the suffering for everyone else nonsense. People still suffer. Life is hard. No guarantees. Generally beats the alternative.

Far as animals go. We're animals that kill other animals for sport. What would Jesus do? Conflating murder with suicide is equally ridiculous. Did Jesus commit suicide? Did he murder himself? Of course we can kill ourselves. Who cares what our courts have to say about it once we're dead? Worst case, we'll be sentenced to death.

The tricky part involves blaming one's decisions and acts upon others. The "murder" charge is usually reserved for "assisted suicide" discussion. The attempted point being that any sort of assistance provided by others unquestionably equates to murder! What sort of murder? What sort of killing? Suicide is killing oneself by definition.

1a: the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally

Again, whoever nailed Jesus to the cross was just helping Jesus kill himself. If it was "murder" there would be no "sacrifice" to crow about. Helping to reduce pointless suffering in our world is no crime, particularly when provably requested by a close friend or loved one.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Indeed, and fine admission. Rendering all the crap about Jesus bearing the suffering for everyone else nonsense. People still suffer. Life is hard. No guarantees. Generally beats the alternative.

Far as animals go. We're animals that kill other animals for sport. What would Jesus do?

Humans were made in God's image, and are holy.. unlike animals. In Catholicism there is a clear difference. Now, there's certainly the issue of humane treatment while animals are alive, or needless slaughtering of animals which can likely have horrible consequences on one's soul. However, using animals for food is entirely fine in Christianity.

Conflating murder with suicide is equally ridiculous. Did Jesus commit suicide? Did he murder himself? Of course we can kill ourselves. Who cares what our courts have to say about it once we're dead? Worst case, we'll be sentenced to death.

By American law they are different.. but by Catholic/Christian theology they are the same. Both instances result in you ending a human life, which is sacred life. I was under the impression we were discussing what is theologically acceptable, not what is legal.

Again, whoever nailed Jesus to the cross was just helping Jesus kill himself. If it was "murder" there would be no "sacrifice" to crow about. Helping to reduce pointless suffering in our world is no crime, particularly when provably requested by a close friend or loved one.

If you don't value human life beyond an animal's life, I can totally understand how you'd come to that conclusion. However, Christianity views human life as elevated and holy.. thus, there's a different standard.

 

[Batcat]

What is your direct question?

Did “killing“ all the men, women, children and animals in Jericho with the exception of Rahab and her family violate the Sixth Commandment?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Humans were made in God's image, and are holy..

You're entitled to your opinion, me mine.

If you don't value human life beyond an animal's life, I can totally understand how you'd come to that conclusion. However, Christianity views human life as elevated and holy.. thus, there's a different standard.

Yep. I comment here because "Ethics" continues being falsely conflated with "Religion" here. If there were a separate "Ethics" area..

 

[Meriweather]

Suicide. Some say it's wrong because the bible says Thou Shalt Not Kill...and that pertains to suicide because it is killing oneself. But if Thou Shalt Not Kill is not explained in the bible (which it does not concerning suicide) and those that claim suicide is a sin...

If one is not Jew or Christian, put away the Bible and don't worry about the ideals by which people of faith live. Sin/Biblical transgressions do not apply to you.

Your (general, not personal, your) rules say it is fine to kill your unborn, to kill yourself, to have sex any which way you please and to mutilate your children. You want people of faith to keep their faith to themselves, then lead the way by keeping your misery to yourselves. Do it in secret, don't let anyone know.

 

[Grumblenuts]

If one is not Jew or Christian, put away the Bible and don't worry about the ideals by which people of faith live. Sin/Biblical transgressions do not apply to you.

Your (general, not personal, your) rules say it is fine to kill your unborn, to kill yourself, to have sex any which way you please and to mutilate your children. You want people of faith to keep their faith to themselves, then lead the way by keeping your misery to yourselves. Do it in secret, don't let anyone know.

Disgusting, self-contradictory post.

 

[Meriweather]

Disgusting, self-contradictory post.

While it is not contradictory, I thought it quite fitting for a disgusting thread. Seriously, if you are not a person of faith, what difference does it make?

 

[Blues Man]

Suicide. Some say it's wrong because the bible says Thou Shalt Not Kill...and that pertains to suicide because it is killing oneself. But if Thou Shalt Not Kill is not explained in the bible (which it does not concerning suicide) and those that claim suicide is a sin...then couldn't the same pertain to killing animals? Thou Shalt Not Kill. Kill what?

It is neither right nor wrong for a person to decide for himself the choice between life or death.

Suicide is a choice that every single person has the absolute right to make.

 

[Grumblenuts]

While it is not contradictory, I thought it quite fitting for a disgusting thread. Seriously, if you are not a person of faith, what difference does it make?

Publicly mud slinging in the name of whatever religious bent you may self-identify upon whomever you may view as "other" followed by requesting "they" keep their "ideals" to themselves is obviously contradictory to say the least. And if, at your age and with all your alleged experience, you still think the "ideals" of Jews and Christians somehow manage not to fundamentally impact the rest of us daily you're a moron. As already mentioned, everyone has ethics, not just those "of faith." Why even presume Gracie lacks "faith"?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Did “killing“ all the men, women, children and animals in Jericho with the exception of Rahab and her family violate the Sixth Commandment?

No, because God is allowed to do what he wants to humans. We aren't allowed to decide who lives or dies, he obviously can. God ordered the destruction of Jericho.

 

[Meriweather]

And if, at your age and with all your alleged experience, you still think the "ideals" of Jews and Christians somehow manage not to fundamentally impact the rest of us

How do they impact you? Be specific.

I did not say Gracie lacks faith. I was mentioning faith by which people live. Suicide is not a faith by which people live. Perhaps you missed the distinction.

 

[Blues Man]

No, because God is allowed to do what he wants to humans. We aren't allowed to decide who lives or dies, he obviously can. God ordered the destruction of Jericho.

Humans decide who lives or dies all the time.