This Is White Privilege

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When you have benefitted from over 100 years of policies excluding blacks and you whine about a policy that tries to level the playing field then a white judge denies the historic racism to stop the program because white farmers scream that's discrimination, well that's white privilege.

White farmers blocked a much-needed federal relief program for Black farmers. The saga proved Black farmers won't overcome racism unless they take their economic future into their own hands.
[email protected] (Cornelius Blanding) 16 hrs ago

This month, in a historic step to redress racism, the United States Department of Agriculture planned to begin issuing $4 billion in debt relief to minority farmers around the country. The move follows a long and ugly record of discrimination, including by the USDA itself.

Depressingly but not surprisingly, a group of white farmers has sued the USDA over the relief program, which was passed as part of the American Rescue Plan back in March. These longtime beneficiaries of systemic racism now claim they are victims of reverse discrimination. On June 10, a US District court issued a temporary restraining order on the USDA's plan while it decides if the agency's program discriminates against white farmers. A judge in Florida also ruled against the program on June 24, throwing the future of the aid further into doubt.

More shocking, though, has been the reaction from banks. Three of the country's biggest banking trade groups are fighting to stop the debt relief. In a letter to Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, they issued a barely veiled threat to withhold credit from farmers of color if the USDA moves ahead with the initiative.

The three trade groups - the American Bankers Association, the Independent Community Bankers of America, and the National Rural Lenders Association - collectively represent a huge swath of American financial institutions, including the very ones that spent much of the 20th century denying home and business loans to people of color. Their attack on an effort to correct the effects of their actions shows how acceptable blatant racism remains in America's most powerful institutions.

For years, financial institutions have used discriminatory practices to withhold credit from non-White farmers. The USDA - which plays a central role in farming through loans, grants, insurance, technical help, and other services - has also failed to help Black farms equally, as Vilsack recently acknowledged. As a result, they struggled and shrank as White-owned farms grew. Consider that, in 1920, 14% of the nation's farmers were black. By 2017, fewer than 2% were.

 
The fact that some people were excluded because of the color of their skin (white) makes the program appear racist. Imagine the upraor if only white farmers were eligible.

It could be argued that the program is a form of reparations but if so it should be presented in that form.
 
The fact that some people were excluded because of the color of their skin (white) makes the program appear racist. Imagine the upraor if only white farmers were eligible.

It could be argued that the program is a form of reparations but if so it should be presented in that form.
Sorry pal, but that argument is a load of shit. White farmers have got funds and assistance for over 100 years that blacks couldn't, and they weren't being excluded from any of the assistance they were already getting that black farmers were denied.
 
The fact that some people were excluded because of the color of their skin (white) makes the program appear racist. Imagine the upraor if only white farmers were eligible.

It could be argued that the program is a form of reparations but if so it should be presented in that form.
Sorry pal, but that argument is a load of shit. White farmers have got funds and assistance for over 100 years that blacks couldn't, and they weren't being excluded from any of the assistance they were already getting that black farmers were denied.
Like I said the law should have been presented as a form of reparations.

If we play the game your way every law that provided funds or privileges would exempt white people for the next 100 years.

The object should be to eliminate racism in the future not impose a new form of racism to make up for the past.

Laws should be colorblind.
 
The fact that some people were excluded because of the color of their skin (white) makes the program appear racist. Imagine the upraor if only white farmers were eligible.

It could be argued that the program is a form of reparations but if so it should be presented in that form.
Sorry pal, but that argument is a load of shit. White farmers have got funds and assistance for over 100 years that blacks couldn't, and they weren't being excluded from any of the assistance they were already getting that black farmers were denied.
Like I said the law should have been presented as a form of reparations.

If we play the game your way every law that provided funds or privileges would exempt white people for the next 100 years.

The object should be to eliminate racism in the future not impose a new form of racism to make up for the past.

Laws should be colorblind.
And like I am saying, white farmers had no right to complain.
 
"If we play the game your way every law that provided funds or privileges would exempt white people for the next 100 years."

Since every law wasn't doing that, white people weren't exempt. Secondly, we have been denied pretty much for 245 years. You don't seem to have a problem with that.

"The object should be to eliminate racism in the future not impose a new form of racism to make up for the past."

Since black farmers are still being excluded this is not about the past. But since the past has caused the descrepancies we have now, I find it rich for whites, who have benefitted from racism to talk about how laws should be designed to make up for the racism you benefitted from.

"Laws should be colorblind."

And that's the problem. Whites didn't make the laws colorblind and you're not going to fix color conscious policy by creating colorblind ones. Whites like you want to take the easy way out, thinking that if we just take race out of policy everything will be fine. But the economic inequality caused by racist policy will not be eliminated by being colorblind. You know good and well that all colorblind policies will do is continue things being the same.
 
"But the economic inequality caused by racist policy will not be eliminated by being colorblind. You know good and well that all colorblind policies will do is continue things being the same."

almost but not quite. In reality "colorblindness" which has incorrectly been equated with
LACK OF BIAS or LACK OF RACISM does not alter existing inequities. The fact that there are
very WHITE sectors of society that are just as much afflicted with poverty, fraught with crime and
social disorder is also certain. Attempts at artificially BOOSTING this or that group and
pretending that the inequities are CURED-----is really idiotic
 
When you have benefitted from over 100 years of policies excluding blacks and you whine about a policy that tries to level the playing field then a white judge denies the historic racism to stop the program because white farmers scream that's discrimination, well that's white privilege.

White farmers blocked a much-needed federal relief program for Black farmers. The saga proved Black farmers won't overcome racism unless they take their economic future into their own hands.
[email protected] (Cornelius Blanding) 16 hrs ago

This month, in a historic step to redress racism, the United States Department of Agriculture planned to begin issuing $4 billion in debt relief to minority farmers around the country. The move follows a long and ugly record of discrimination, including by the USDA itself.

Depressingly but not surprisingly, a group of white farmers has sued the USDA over the relief program, which was passed as part of the American Rescue Plan back in March. These longtime beneficiaries of systemic racism now claim they are victims of reverse discrimination. On June 10, a US District court issued a temporary restraining order on the USDA's plan while it decides if the agency's program discriminates against white farmers. A judge in Florida also ruled against the program on June 24, throwing the future of the aid further into doubt.

More shocking, though, has been the reaction from banks. Three of the country's biggest banking trade groups are fighting to stop the debt relief. In a letter to Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, they issued a barely veiled threat to withhold credit from farmers of color if the USDA moves ahead with the initiative.

The three trade groups - the American Bankers Association, the Independent Community Bankers of America, and the National Rural Lenders Association - collectively represent a huge swath of American financial institutions, including the very ones that spent much of the 20th century denying home and business loans to people of color. Their attack on an effort to correct the effects of their actions shows how acceptable blatant racism remains in America's most powerful institutions.

For years, financial institutions have used discriminatory practices to withhold credit from non-White farmers. The USDA - which plays a central role in farming through loans, grants, insurance, technical help, and other services - has also failed to help Black farms equally, as Vilsack recently acknowledged. As a result, they struggled and shrank as White-owned farms grew. Consider that, in 1920, 14% of the nation's farmers were black. By 2017, fewer than 2% were.

Why should grants be handed out based on race?
 
When you have benefitted from over 100 years of policies excluding blacks and you whine about a policy that tries to level the playing field then a white judge denies the historic racism to stop the program because white farmers scream that's discrimination, well that's white privilege.

White farmers blocked a much-needed federal relief program for Black farmers. The saga proved Black farmers won't overcome racism unless they take their economic future into their own hands.
[email protected] (Cornelius Blanding) 16 hrs ago

This month, in a historic step to redress racism, the United States Department of Agriculture planned to begin issuing $4 billion in debt relief to minority farmers around the country. The move follows a long and ugly record of discrimination, including by the USDA itself.

Depressingly but not surprisingly, a group of white farmers has sued the USDA over the relief program, which was passed as part of the American Rescue Plan back in March. These longtime beneficiaries of systemic racism now claim they are victims of reverse discrimination. On June 10, a US District court issued a temporary restraining order on the USDA's plan while it decides if the agency's program discriminates against white farmers. A judge in Florida also ruled against the program on June 24, throwing the future of the aid further into doubt.

More shocking, though, has been the reaction from banks. Three of the country's biggest banking trade groups are fighting to stop the debt relief. In a letter to Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, they issued a barely veiled threat to withhold credit from farmers of color if the USDA moves ahead with the initiative.

The three trade groups - the American Bankers Association, the Independent Community Bankers of America, and the National Rural Lenders Association - collectively represent a huge swath of American financial institutions, including the very ones that spent much of the 20th century denying home and business loans to people of color. Their attack on an effort to correct the effects of their actions shows how acceptable blatant racism remains in America's most powerful institutions.

For years, financial institutions have used discriminatory practices to withhold credit from non-White farmers. The USDA - which plays a central role in farming through loans, grants, insurance, technical help, and other services - has also failed to help Black farms equally, as Vilsack recently acknowledged. As a result, they struggled and shrank as White-owned farms grew. Consider that, in 1920, 14% of the nation's farmers were black. By 2017, fewer than 2% were.

This is a big win for the fight against racism.
 
The fact that some people were excluded because of the color of their skin (white) makes the program appear racist. Imagine the upraor if only white farmers were eligible.

It could be argued that the program is a form of reparations but if so it should be presented in that form.
Sorry pal, but that argument is a load of shit. White farmers have got funds and assistance for over 100 years that blacks couldn't, and they weren't being excluded from any of the assistance they were already getting that black farmers were denied.
What does the past have to do with 2021? If it was wrong back then, thank god people in 2021 refuse to do it.
 
The fact that some people were excluded because of the color of their skin (white) makes the program appear racist. Imagine the upraor if only white farmers were eligible.

It could be argued that the program is a form of reparations but if so it should be presented in that form.
Sorry pal, but that argument is a load of shit. White farmers have got funds and assistance for over 100 years that blacks couldn't, and they weren't being excluded from any of the assistance they were already getting that black farmers were denied.
Did the white farmers who oppose these funds receive funds in the past that were denied to blacks?
 
The fact that some people were excluded because of the color of their skin (white) makes the program appear racist. Imagine the upraor if only white farmers were eligible.

It could be argued that the program is a form of reparations but if so it should be presented in that form.
Sorry pal, but that argument is a load of shit. White farmers have got funds and assistance for over 100 years that blacks couldn't, and they weren't being excluded from any of the assistance they were already getting that black farmers were denied.
Like I said the law should have been presented as a form of reparations.

If we play the game your way every law that provided funds or privileges would exempt white people for the next 100 years.

The object should be to eliminate racism in the future not impose a new form of racism to make up for the past.

Laws should be colorblind.
And like I am saying, white farmers had no right to complain.
Real racism should always be condemned.
 
The OP is a hater. The problems we face in this country will not end until people like him die out.
 
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The fact that some people were excluded because of the color of their skin (white) makes the program appear racist. Imagine the upraor if only white farmers were eligible.

It could be argued that the program is a form of reparations but if so it should be presented in that form.
Thats a bunch of bullshit. White farmers were never discriminated against because they were white you fucking idiot.
 

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