This is not what measured, mature leadership looks like.

[Hollie]

I can't get over the feeling something has been irreparably broken. A nation can't go through what trumpery has wrought and come out of it whole again. At least not for a generation.

What is irreparably broken is anyone caring about the whining of the far left.

 

[Hollie]

 

[berg80]

Then why is Trump begging for help?

They can hold two contradictory thoughts in their heads at the same time without creating a sense of incongruity. The word for that is doublethink.

trumples are expert at it.

 

[Clipper]

I would add one critical element: The alternate universe. First Rush, then Fox, then all the copycats, then the internet. These people have rage and misinformation pumped into them 24/7/365. Pretty much every day, we discuss things here that they don't even know about. And pretty much every day, they toss out "information" that is demonstrably untrue. But they believe it to their bones.

And it's all grievance-based. I think that's how they reach this degree of pure rage, how they literally enjoy cruelty, and how they can cheer destruction.

Some of those podcasters are nothing but money grubbing trash making over six figures spouting hate & nothing but flat out lies to the MAGA herd who believe every bit of it.

Same goes for Travis & Sexton who took over for the biggest slimeball of them all, Limbaugh, their mentor.

 

[JonKoch]

Trump is correct they use us to protect them so they can fund their socialism. They need to protect themselv

FUKIN MAGA ARE NUTS

 

[Mac1958]

FUKIN MAGA ARE NUTS

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Trump insults, mocks, trolls, namecalls, threatens, punishes and intimidates our former friends and former allies, and then whines like a toddler when they don't come to his rescue.

He clearly doesn't understand that global heads of state are not shameless Republicans. They have a limit. They have their own countries to think of. And they've had it with him. And us.

Trump and MAGA think we don't need anyone else for anything. They're that stupid.

 

[JonKoch]

Putin and American democrats have long been on far friendlier terms than Putin and Trump ever were.

Cult members probably even "believe" that crap.


Aug. 18, 2020

G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia​

A nearly 1,000-page report confirmed the special counsel’s findings at a moment when President Trump’s allies have sought to undermine that inquiry.


....It provided a bipartisan Senate imprimatur for an extraordinary set of facts: The Russian government disrupted an American election to help Mr. Trump become president, Russian intelligence services viewed members of the Trump campaign as easily manipulated, and some of Mr. Trump’s advisers were eager for the help from an American adversary


The report portrayed a Trump campaign that was stocked with businessmen with no government experience, advisers working at the fringes of the foreign policy establishment and other friends and associates Mr. Trump had accumulated over the years. Campaign figures, the report said, “presented attractive targets for foreign influence, creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.”



Like the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who released his findings in April 2019, the Senate report did not conclude that the Trump campaign engaged in a coordinated conspiracy with the Russian government — a fact that Republicans seized on to argue that there was “no collusion.”

But the report showed extensive evidence of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and people tied to the Kremlin

G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia (Published 2020)

A nearly 1,000-page report confirmed the special counsel’s findings at a moment when President Trump’s allies have sought to undermine that inquiry.

www.nytimes.com

NO PAYWALL

https://archive.ph/dwKLF

HOW'S THAT CUBAN BLOCKADE GOING?

U.S. Allows Russian Oil Tanker to Reach Cuba, Despite Blockade​

 

[rightwinger]

Trump insults, mocks, trolls, namecalls, threatens, punishes and intimidates our former friends and former allies, and then whines like a toddler when they don't come to his rescue.

He clearly doesn't understand that global heads of state are not shameless Republicans. They have a limit. They have their own countries to think of. And they've had it with him. And us.

Trump and MAGA think we don't need anyone else for anything. They're that stupid.

It is not just the heads of state but the people of those countries that Trump mocks.

Sending armies to support Trump would not be too popular

 

[j-mac]

The war has gone on for a month.

Our Troops Deserve More Than This​

Because their lives are on the line, we owe it to these committed American service members and their families to be truthful about the risks involved and why we are at war. There was a case to be made that Iran had a history of threatening the stability of the United States, Israel and other nations in the Middle East. Its leaders’ support for terrorism, arming dangerous proxy forces, developing large numbers of missiles that could strike regional targets and efforts to develop nuclear capability represented a genuine threat to peace and stability in the region.

But it is also true that the 12-day war waged by Israel and the United States against Iran in June weakened Tehran and its proxies, damaged missile and airstrike capabilities and set back the project to develop a nuclear bomb. By July, Iran was no longer an imminent threat — a conclusion supported by our intelligence agencies.

Nevertheless, without informing the American people, Congress or our allies, President Trump decided to join Israel in a military campaign to kill Iran’s leadership and, he hoped, spark a popular uprising to bring down the Islamic republic once and for all. That did not happen. It was a terrible miscalculation. Since then, the president has offered conflicting objectives for why we went to war.

As former secretaries of defense and former members of Congress, we can personally attest to the problems that arise when our country engages in conflicts that drift without clear objectives and end points. They often become tragic, unwinnable wars that history does not remember kindly.

So when our president oscillates between stating that “the war is very complete, pretty much” and “we’re not ready to leave yet” within the space of roughly a week, it seems that we are repeating that history. It shows both our allies and our adversaries that impulsive and unilateral decisions are driving our foreign policy objectives. It also shows how the president’s decision to bypass Congress and the American people and defy democratic norms has profound consequences on our military, U.S. citizens and people around the world. The president’s war in Iran has created vast amounts of volatility and uncertainty — thousands of people have been killed and millions displaced — and has further undermined the credibility of the United States to maintain the rules-based international order that we helped establish after World War II.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/01/opinion/iran-war-military-us.html

A whole month?

 

[Anathema]

Rebukes of allies, when they are called for, are done through private communications or through correspondences with diplomats after careful consideration. Those were the old days. Now they are done by way of unhinged rants on social media for all the world to see. Including our enemies.

I think the old way is better.

No. It’s time these foreign motherfuckers started getting reminded who the dog with teeth actually is. For far too long these nations have sat around eidinf American coattails and not being called out on it. Time do them to put up or shut up. Simple as that.

 

[Anathema]

Trump and MAGA think we don't need anyone else for anything. They're that stupid.

We don’t need them. If they make or have something we can’t or don’t then we don’t need it. If we do need it, that’s what we spend all that Department of War money for.

 

[rightwinger]

No. It’s time these foreign motherfuckers started getting reminded who the dog with teeth actually is. For far too long these nations have sat around eidinf American coattails and not being called out on it. Time do them to put up or shut up. Simple as that.

They support us in wars that make sense

Not Vietnam, Iraq and Iran

 

[markef]

Cult members probably even "believe" that crap.


Aug. 18, 2020

G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia​

A nearly 1,000-page report confirmed the special counsel’s findings at a moment when President Trump’s allies have sought to undermine that inquiry.


....It provided a bipartisan Senate imprimatur for an extraordinary set of facts: The Russian government disrupted an American election to help Mr. Trump become president, Russian intelligence services viewed members of the Trump campaign as easily manipulated, and some of Mr. Trump’s advisers were eager for the help from an American adversary


The report portrayed a Trump campaign that was stocked with businessmen with no government experience, advisers working at the fringes of the foreign policy establishment and other friends and associates Mr. Trump had accumulated over the years. Campaign figures, the report said, “presented attractive targets for foreign influence, creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.”



Like the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who released his findings in April 2019, the Senate report did not conclude that the Trump campaign engaged in a coordinated conspiracy with the Russian government — a fact that Republicans seized on to argue that there was “no collusion.”

But the report showed extensive evidence of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and people tied to the Kremlin

G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia (Published 2020)

A nearly 1,000-page report confirmed the special counsel’s findings at a moment when President Trump’s allies have sought to undermine that inquiry.

www.nytimes.com

NO PAYWALL

https://archive.ph/dwKLF

HOW'S THAT CUBAN BLOCKADE GOING?

U.S. Allows Russian Oil Tanker to Reach Cuba, Despite Blockade​

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We have seen dozens of republicans as well as dozens of democrats falsely claim Trump colluded with Russia to undermine Hillary in the 2016 election. Those who claimed that were relying on later disproven narratives.

Mueller report: Investigation found no evidence Trump conspired with Russia, leaves obstruction question open

Attorney General William Barr delivered the findings of special counsel Robert Mueller's inquiry of Russia and Trump's campaign to Congress Sunday.

www.usatoday.com

​

Mueller report: Investigation found no evidence Trump conspired with Russia, leaves obstruction question open​

 

[JonKoch]

We have seen dozens of republicans as well as dozens of democrats falsely claim Trump colluded with Russia to undermine Hillary in the 2016 election. Those who claimed that were relying on later disproven narratives.

Mueller report: Investigation found no evidence Trump conspired with Russia, leaves obstruction question open

Attorney General William Barr delivered the findings of special counsel Robert Mueller's inquiry of Russia and Trump's campaign to Congress Sunday.

www.usatoday.com

​

Mueller report: Investigation found no evidence Trump conspired with Russia, leaves obstruction question open​

Yep, ONLY Cheeto's son, campaign manager and other in his orbit.



It provided a bipartisan Senate imprimatur for an extraordinary set of facts: The Russian government disrupted an American election to help Mr. Trump become president, Russian intelligence services viewed members of the Trump campaign as easily manipulated, and some of Mr. Trump’s advisers were eager for the help from an American adversary.


The report portrayed a Trump campaign that was stocked with businessmen with no government experience, advisers working at the fringes of the foreign policy establishment and other friends and associates Mr. Trump had accumulated over the years. Campaign figures, the report said, “presented attractive targets for foreign influence, creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.”


Like the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who released his findings in April 2019, the Senate report did not conclude that the Trump campaign engaged in a coordinated conspiracy with the Russian government — a fact that Republicans seized on to argue that there was “no collusion.”

But the report showed extensive evidence of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and people tied to the Kremlin



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html

 

[markef]

Yep, ONLY Cheeto's son, campaign manager and other in his orbit.



It provided a bipartisan Senate imprimatur for an extraordinary set of facts: The Russian government disrupted an American election to help Mr. Trump become president, Russian intelligence services viewed members of the Trump campaign as easily manipulated, and some of Mr. Trump’s advisers were eager for the help from an American adversary.


The report portrayed a Trump campaign that was stocked with businessmen with no government experience, advisers working at the fringes of the foreign policy establishment and other friends and associates Mr. Trump had accumulated over the years. Campaign figures, the report said, “presented attractive targets for foreign influence, creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.”


Like the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who released his findings in April 2019, the Senate report did not conclude that the Trump campaign engaged in a coordinated conspiracy with the Russian government — a fact that Republicans seized on to argue that there was “no collusion.”

But the report showed extensive evidence of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and people tied to the Kremlin



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html

Some respectable officials have claimed that no evidence of Trump/Russian collusion was ever found. Others, like Adam Schiff have claimed they have irrefutable evidence of Trump/Russian collusion in their possession. How can we tell who is telling the truth? I suggest we might ask Schiff to produce the evidence he claimed to have and would soon release but never did release. That should provide a big clue as to who is lying.

 

[berg80]

We have seen dozens of republicans as well as dozens of democrats falsely claim Trump colluded with Russia to undermine Hillary in the 2016 election. Those who claimed that were relying on later disproven narratives.

Mueller report: Investigation found no evidence Trump conspired with Russia, leaves obstruction question open

Attorney General William Barr delivered the findings of special counsel Robert Mueller's inquiry of Russia and Trump's campaign to Congress Sunday.

www.usatoday.com

​

Mueller report: Investigation found no evidence Trump conspired with Russia, leaves obstruction question open​

The Enduring Truths of the Mueller Report​

The Situation: The Enduring Truths of the Mueller Report

There are four of them.

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[berg80]

Others, like Adam Schiff have claimed they have irrefutable evidence of Trump/Russian collusion in their possession. How can we tell who is telling the truth?

The trump Tower meeting was evidence of a criminal conspiracy. Mueller chose not to charge Donnie J because he thought he was too stupid to be aware of the law he broke.

 

[westwall]

Trump lashes out at UK and France, telling allies ‘the U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore’​

President Donald Trump has warned the U.K. and France that the “U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore,” as he vented his frustration over the close allies’ refusal to join military action against Iran.

Posting on Truth Social, Trump said “the Country of France wouldn’t let planes headed to Israel, loaded up with military supplies, fly over French territory.”

“France has been VERY UNHELPFUL with respect to the “Butcher of Iran,” who has been successfully eliminated! The U.S.A. will REMEMBER!!!,” he said in a post Tuesday.

In another post, the president singled out the U.K. for criticism.

“All of those countries that can’t get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you: Number 1, buy from the U.S., we have plenty, and Number 2, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait, and just TAKE IT,” he commented.

Trump lashes out at UK and France, telling allies 'the U.S.A. won't be there to help you anymore'

Trump re-upped his disdain for European allies that have refused to take part in the U.S. and Israel's military operation against Iran.

www.cnbc.com

Rebukes of allies, when they are called for, are done through private communications or through correspondences with diplomats after careful consideration. Those were the old days. Now they are done by way of unhinged rants on social media for all the world to see. Including our enemies.

I think the old way is better.

Yeah, you losers like losing. Winning is hard. It requires hard effort.

 

[SweetTea]

Trump represents a tiny sliver of America today. Everyone knows that including our allies and enemies. Our Allies have decided to ignore him as he will be out of power soon. Now that tariffs are illegal they arent even taking his calls.

They aren't there to help us. Why should we be there to help them?

 

[citygator]

They aren't there to help us. Why should we be there to help them?

They are helping the American people who don’t want this war 70% to 30%. The president doesnt represent us in this matter.