Will Don finally grant Vlad's most fervent desire?

[berg80]

Trump says he’s considering pulling U.S. out of ‘paper tiger’ NATO​

U.S. President Donald Trump is reportedly considering pulling the U.S. out of NATO, in the latest threat to America’s allies after their reluctance to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

In an interview with The Telegraph newspaper, the president described the 77-year-old defensive alliance as a “paper tiger” and, when asked if he would reconsider the U.S.′ membership of the bloc after the Iran conflict ends, Trump told the paper: “Oh yes, I would say [it’s] beyond reconsideration.”

“I was never swayed by NATO. I always knew they were a paper tiger, and Putin knows that too, by the way,” he said, in comments published Wednesday.

Trump has been angered by European allies’ refusal to send warships to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a vital oil and gas maritime passage controlled by Iran, and at their refusal to let the U.S. use military bases to launch attacks against the Islamic Republic.

Trump says he's considering pulling U.S. out of 'paper tiger' NATO

The president's comments are the latest threat to America's allies after their reluctance to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

www.cnbc.com

One would have thought the billions in oil revenue Russia was given by Don was enough of a gift. A curious decision after Russia has been aiding Iran (which also had oil sale sanctions lifted) with intel used for missile and drone targets. Apparently, when it comes to Vlad, the guy who never once objected to Russia's help during the 2016 campaign can be very generous.

trump pulling the US out of NATO is something he wanted to do during the first regime. But wiser heads prevailed. In trump 2.0 there are no wiser heads. More like bobbleheads that nod yes on command.

After mission failure in Iran there will be tremendous efforts made to establish scapegoats and make dubious declarations of victory. I caution trump devotees against accepting claims of success and the assignment of scorn for the purposes of obfuscation. Think for yourselves.

 

[gipper]

Trump is a dumb ass, but terminating our involvement in NATO is a great idea.

Problem is it won’t mean much. The Zionist neocons running our government will continue their warmongering.

You’re stuck on Russiagate, even though you know it’s a hoax. Wake up!

 

[berg80]

Trump is a dumb ass, but terminating our involvement in NATO is a great idea.

Problem is it won’t mean much. The Zionist neocons running our government will continue their warmongering.

You’re stuck on Russiagate, even though you know it’s a hoax. Wake up!

As proven in Mueller's report, saying "Russiagate" is a hoax couldn't be further from the truth. Wake up and read the report.

Pulling out of NATO would be an even bigger strategic blunder than invading Iraq.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

NATO is the one and only reason Russia moved into Ukraine

 

[berg80]

I wonder if Orange Julius is going to repeat Hegseth's line from yesterday during tonight's address? Saying the Strait, "isn't our problem."

Tell that to people paying $4 dollars at the pump, paying higher prices for everything that is transported (what isn't?), and farmers unable to get the fertilizer they need for spring planting season.

 

[gipper]

As proven in Mueller's report, saying "Russiagate" is a hoax couldn't be further from the truth. Wake up and read the report.

Pulling out of NATO would be an even bigger strategic blunder than invading Iraq.

Oh brother. It’s a hoax. Saying otherwise is dumb.

This hurts your position on Trump, when you support lies about him. The MAGAs love people like you. Stop it!

There is so much truth about Dumb Don to oppose, stop believing lies.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Trump says he’s considering pulling U.S. out of ‘paper tiger’ NATO​

U.S. President Donald Trump is reportedly considering pulling the U.S. out of NATO, in the latest threat to America’s allies after their reluctance to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

In an interview with The Telegraph newspaper, the president described the 77-year-old defensive alliance as a “paper tiger” and, when asked if he would reconsider the U.S.′ membership of the bloc after the Iran conflict ends, Trump told the paper: “Oh yes, I would say [it’s] beyond reconsideration.”

“I was never swayed by NATO. I always knew they were a paper tiger, and Putin knows that too, by the way,” he said, in comments published Wednesday.

Trump has been angered by European allies’ refusal to send warships to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a vital oil and gas maritime passage controlled by Iran, and at their refusal to let the U.S. use military bases to launch attacks against the Islamic Republic.

Trump says he's considering pulling U.S. out of 'paper tiger' NATO

The president's comments are the latest threat to America's allies after their reluctance to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

www.cnbc.com

One would have thought the billions in oil revenue Russia was given by Don was enough of a gift. A curious decision after Russia has been aiding Iran (which also had oil sale sanctions lifted) with intel used for missile and drone targets. Apparently, when it comes to Vlad, the guy who never once objected to Russia's help during the 2016 campaign can be very generous.

trump pulling the US out of NATO is something he wanted to do during the first regime. But wiser heads prevailed. In trump 2.0 there are no wiser heads. More like bobbleheads that nod yes on command.

After mission failure in Iran there will be tremendous efforts made to establish scapegoats and make dubious declarations of victory. I caution trump devotees against accepting claims of success and the assignment of scorn for the purposes of obfuscation. Think for yourselves.

Its illegal. He literally can't. And he will be dead in a year.

 

[berg80]

Oh brother. It’s a hoax. Saying otherwise is dumb.

Read the report. Or read this summary.

The Enduring Truths of the Mueller Report​

Also over the weekend came the announcement that Bob Mueller died.

Mueller's death was the occasion—inevitably and of course—for unspeakably inappropriate presidential conduct. It has also been the occasion for some thoughtful remembrances and articles about the man, his remarkable history and legacy at the FBI, and for both praise and criticism of the manner in which he conducted his investigation.

Here I would like to do something a little bit different and talk about the text of the Mueller Report, the more-than-400-page document that resulted from Mueller’s investigation. The report itself has gotten strangely lost in the discussions of Mueller’s virtues, the hopes people invested in him, and his confrontation with Trump. And it’s easy to understand why: Trump won. The ship sailed. For all the votive candles and Mueller Time shirts and memes, the investigation never did generate accountability for Trump. Indeed, while Trump was later impeached twice, neither time was it over allegations that Mueller investigated.

And yet, the Mueller Report contains a number of important truths—enduring truths—about Trump, about the people around him, and about The Situation more generally. These are truths one simply cannot doubt, however much smoke gets thrown up around them, if one bothers to spend quality time with the document.

Depending on how fine a sieve one uses, there are a lot of them. But at the coarsest level of granularity, there are four essential ones.

The Situation: The Enduring Truths of the Mueller Report

There are four of them.

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[berg80]

Its illegal. He literally can't. And he will be dead in a year.

AI Overview

Whether a U.S. President can legally withdraw from NATO is a contentious issue, balancing presidential foreign affairs authority against Congressional oversight. A 2023 federal law, the National Defense Authorization Act (Sec. 1250A), prohibits unilateral withdrawal without 2/3 Senate approval or an Act of Congress. However, potential legal challenges regarding executive power make it a contested constitutional "gray area."

We all know what happens when Don's SC rules on "gray areas."

 

[martybegan]

Trump says he’s considering pulling U.S. out of ‘paper tiger’ NATO​

U.S. President Donald Trump is reportedly considering pulling the U.S. out of NATO, in the latest threat to America’s allies after their reluctance to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

In an interview with The Telegraph newspaper, the president described the 77-year-old defensive alliance as a “paper tiger” and, when asked if he would reconsider the U.S.′ membership of the bloc after the Iran conflict ends, Trump told the paper: “Oh yes, I would say [it’s] beyond reconsideration.”

“I was never swayed by NATO. I always knew they were a paper tiger, and Putin knows that too, by the way,” he said, in comments published Wednesday.

Trump has been angered by European allies’ refusal to send warships to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a vital oil and gas maritime passage controlled by Iran, and at their refusal to let the U.S. use military bases to launch attacks against the Islamic Republic.

Trump says he's considering pulling U.S. out of 'paper tiger' NATO

The president's comments are the latest threat to America's allies after their reluctance to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

www.cnbc.com

One would have thought the billions in oil revenue Russia was given by Don was enough of a gift. A curious decision after Russia has been aiding Iran (which also had oil sale sanctions lifted) with intel used for missile and drone targets. Apparently, when it comes to Vlad, the guy who never once objected to Russia's help during the 2016 campaign can be very generous.

trump pulling the US out of NATO is something he wanted to do during the first regime. But wiser heads prevailed. In trump 2.0 there are no wiser heads. More like bobbleheads that nod yes on command.

After mission failure in Iran there will be tremendous efforts made to establish scapegoats and make dubious declarations of victory. I caution trump devotees against accepting claims of success and the assignment of scorn for the purposes of obfuscation. Think for yourselves.

Best move for NATO would be to get rid of Western European countries and stick to the ones that actually try to keep up with their defense needs. Poland, The Baltic States, Hungary, Roumania, Italy, and a few others.

 

[berg80]

There is so much truth about Dumb Don to oppose, stop believing lies.

Here's some truth for ya.

The first enduring truth of the Mueller Report is that the Russians conducted a significant “active measures” operation on a variety of social media platforms to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report puts it: “By early to mid-2016, [these] operations included supporting the Trump Campaign and disparaging candidate Hillary Clinton.”

This point is important for a few reasons. The most important of them behind the bare statement of fact lies a deep reality Americans—and others around the world—have been struggling with ever since 2016: Our information environment is not an organic development of ideas competing in a marketplace.

It is, rather, manipulated by malign actors, public and private, foreign and domestic. It is manipulated both covertly and overtly and for purposes commercial, political, ideological, and often masked. People knew this at some level before 2016, to be sure. The Russian active measures were not the first operation of their kind, by any means. But the audacity of a concerted operation to attempt to affect an American presidential election using Twitter bots was new. And it has conditioned the American information environment ever since.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Out of NATO out of the UN.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Out of NATO out of the UN.

Putin's dream. You earned your vodka today.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Putin's dream. You earned your vodka today.

Putin is better than democrats.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here's some truth for ya.

The first enduring truth of the Mueller Report is that the Russians conducted a significant “active measures” operation on a variety of social media platforms to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report puts it: “By early to mid-2016, [these] operations included supporting the Trump Campaign and disparaging candidate Hillary Clinton.”

This point is important for a few reasons. The most important of them behind the bare statement of fact lies a deep reality Americans—and others around the world—have been struggling with ever since 2016: Our information environment is not an organic development of ideas competing in a marketplace.

It is, rather, manipulated by malign actors, public and private, foreign and domestic. It is manipulated both covertly and overtly and for purposes commercial, political, ideological, and often masked. People knew this at some level before 2016, to be sure. The Russian active measures were not the first operation of their kind, by any means. But the audacity of a concerted operation to attempt to affect an American presidential election using Twitter bots was new. And it has conditioned the American information environment ever since.

Which Facebook meme tricked you into voting for Trump?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Trump says he’s considering pulling U.S. out of ‘paper tiger’ NATO​

U.S. President Donald Trump is reportedly considering pulling the U.S. out of NATO, in the latest threat to America’s allies after their reluctance to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

In an interview with The Telegraph newspaper, the president described the 77-year-old defensive alliance as a “paper tiger” and, when asked if he would reconsider the U.S.′ membership of the bloc after the Iran conflict ends, Trump told the paper: “Oh yes, I would say [it’s] beyond reconsideration.”

“I was never swayed by NATO. I always knew they were a paper tiger, and Putin knows that too, by the way,” he said, in comments published Wednesday.

Trump has been angered by European allies’ refusal to send warships to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a vital oil and gas maritime passage controlled by Iran, and at their refusal to let the U.S. use military bases to launch attacks against the Islamic Republic.

Trump says he's considering pulling U.S. out of 'paper tiger' NATO

The president's comments are the latest threat to America's allies after their reluctance to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

www.cnbc.com

One would have thought the billions in oil revenue Russia was given by Don was enough of a gift. A curious decision after Russia has been aiding Iran (which also had oil sale sanctions lifted) with intel used for missile and drone targets. Apparently, when it comes to Vlad, the guy who never once objected to Russia's help during the 2016 campaign can be very generous.

trump pulling the US out of NATO is something he wanted to do during the first regime. But wiser heads prevailed. In trump 2.0 there are no wiser heads. More like bobbleheads that nod yes on command.

After mission failure in Iran there will be tremendous efforts made to establish scapegoats and make dubious declarations of victory. I caution trump devotees against accepting claims of success and the assignment of scorn for the purposes of obfuscation. Think for yourselves.

Trump continues to attack our allies and coddle our enemies.

 

[Clipper]

I wonder if Orange Julius is going to repeat Hegseth's line from yesterday during tonight's address? Saying the Strait, "isn't our problem."

Tell that to people paying $4 dollars at the pump, paying higher prices for everything that is transported (what isn't?), and farmers unable to get the fertilizer they need for spring planting season.

Trump is going to leave Hormuz the way it is because he wants to f**k over our Allies who need that oil. He doesn't give a shit about the price of gas etc here because he thinks he can steal the November election.

If he pulls us out of NATO Congress should immediately convene, impeach him & remove him from office for being a threat to our national security, which he is.

 

[gipper]

Here's some truth for ya.

The first enduring truth of the Mueller Report is that the Russians conducted a significant “active measures” operation on a variety of social media platforms to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report puts it: “By early to mid-2016, [these] operations included supporting the Trump Campaign and disparaging candidate Hillary Clinton.”

This point is important for a few reasons. The most important of them behind the bare statement of fact lies a deep reality Americans—and others around the world—have been struggling with ever since 2016: Our information environment is not an organic development of ideas competing in a marketplace.

It is, rather, manipulated by malign actors, public and private, foreign and domestic. It is manipulated both covertly and overtly and for purposes commercial, political, ideological, and often masked. People knew this at some level before 2016, to be sure. The Russian active measures were not the first operation of their kind, by any means. But the audacity of a concerted operation to attempt to affect an American presidential election using Twitter bots was new. And it has conditioned the American information environment ever since.

Lol. Really?

Dumb Don has imposed ever restrictive sanctions on Russia. He has provided massive arms shipments to Ukraine. He’s failed to stop any of this in his second term and while claiming he’d stop the war in 24 hours during the campaign, has continued the war. He’s met Putin face to face, but refuses to acknowledge Russia’s peace terms.

Yet you think he’s a Russian agent.

 

[Independent thinker]

Trump says he’s considering pulling U.S. out of ‘paper tiger’ NATO​

U.S. President Donald Trump is reportedly considering pulling the U.S. out of NATO, in the latest threat to America’s allies after their reluctance to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

In an interview with The Telegraph newspaper, the president described the 77-year-old defensive alliance as a “paper tiger” and, when asked if he would reconsider the U.S.′ membership of the bloc after the Iran conflict ends, Trump told the paper: “Oh yes, I would say [it’s] beyond reconsideration.”

“I was never swayed by NATO. I always knew they were a paper tiger, and Putin knows that too, by the way,” he said, in comments published Wednesday.

Trump has been angered by European allies’ refusal to send warships to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a vital oil and gas maritime passage controlled by Iran, and at their refusal to let the U.S. use military bases to launch attacks against the Islamic Republic.

Trump says he's considering pulling U.S. out of 'paper tiger' NATO

The president's comments are the latest threat to America's allies after their reluctance to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

www.cnbc.com

One would have thought the billions in oil revenue Russia was given by Don was enough of a gift. A curious decision after Russia has been aiding Iran (which also had oil sale sanctions lifted) with intel used for missile and drone targets. Apparently, when it comes to Vlad, the guy who never once objected to Russia's help during the 2016 campaign can be very generous.

trump pulling the US out of NATO is something he wanted to do during the first regime. But wiser heads prevailed. In trump 2.0 there are no wiser heads. More like bobbleheads that nod yes on command.

After mission failure in Iran there will be tremendous efforts made to establish scapegoats and make dubious declarations of victory. I caution trump devotees against accepting claims of success and the assignment of scorn for the purposes of obfuscation. Think for yourselves.

While I can see NATO countries not wanting to take Trump's side on the Iran war, we certainly ought to be able to use our own bases.

 

[eagle7-31]

Read the report. Or read this summary.

The Enduring Truths of the Mueller Report​

Also over the weekend came the announcement that Bob Mueller died.

Mueller's death was the occasion—inevitably and of course—for unspeakably inappropriate presidential conduct. It has also been the occasion for some thoughtful remembrances and articles about the man, his remarkable history and legacy at the FBI, and for both praise and criticism of the manner in which he conducted his investigation.

Here I would like to do something a little bit different and talk about the text of the Mueller Report, the more-than-400-page document that resulted from Mueller’s investigation. The report itself has gotten strangely lost in the discussions of Mueller’s virtues, the hopes people invested in him, and his confrontation with Trump. And it’s easy to understand why: Trump won. The ship sailed. For all the votive candles and Mueller Time shirts and memes, the investigation never did generate accountability for Trump. Indeed, while Trump was later impeached twice, neither time was it over allegations that Mueller investigated.

And yet, the Mueller Report contains a number of important truths—enduring truths—about Trump, about the people around him, and about The Situation more generally. These are truths one simply cannot doubt, however much smoke gets thrown up around them, if one bothers to spend quality time with the document.

Depending on how fine a sieve one uses, there are a lot of them. But at the coarsest level of granularity, there are four essential ones.

The Situation: The Enduring Truths of the Mueller Report

There are four of them.

www.lawfaremedia.org

Here is some real Russian collusion. Not your phony one.