Think you know about slavery? You don’t. A repost

Think you know about slavery? You don’t. A repost

17 Jul 2021 ~~ By DrJohn
I first posted this back in July 2015 but given the nonsense transpiring now I felt compelled to once again review the facts about slavery. Slavery was NOT created in the colonies. It was imported to the colonies from Africa. The Dutch went to Africa originally seeking gold and were paid in gold for transporting African slaves from one African port to another for black African slave owners. It’s all here and a lot of it will be uncomfortable to many.
west-africa-slave-trade.jpg
Certain things tend to set off triggers in you. For me it was Don Lemon– when he joined the flag-damning freaking idiot liberal lemmings in their bloodlust considering the removal of the Jefferson memorial:
CNN’s Don Lemon on Tuesday hinted that there will come a day when the United States will have to “rethink” tributes such as the Jefferson Memorial. After a contentious segment with Ben Jones, in which the former Congressman defended the Confederate flag, Legal View host Ashley Banfield brought up the author of the Declaration of Independence.​
She reminded, “There is a monument of him in the capital city of the United States. No one ever asked for that to come down.” At first, Lemon asserted that the comparison was not “equal” and that Jefferson “was a part of the entire United States.” He then added, “There may come a day when we may want to rethink Jefferson, I don’t if we should do that. But when we get to that point, I’ll be happy to partake in that particular discussion.”​
And so will I.
I’d already warned about this and I got to watch it take place. With each passing day liberals become more and more like ISIS- seeking to purge history of anything they deem politically incorrect according to THEIR version of politically correct history. Let’s go back and look at how slavery came to be. Here are some hard facts.
Thomas Jefferson had nothing but contempt for slavery:
Thomas Jefferson was a consistent opponent of slavery his whole life. Calling it a “moral depravity” and a “hideous blot,” he believed that slavery presented the greatest threat to the survival of the new American nation. Jefferson also thought that slavery was contrary to the laws of nature, which decreed that everyone had a right to personal liberty. These views were radical in a world where unfree labor was the norm.​
At the time of the American Revolution, Jefferson was actively involved in legislation that he hoped would result in slavery’s abolition. In 1778, he drafted a Virginia law that prohibited the importation of enslaved Africans. In 1784, he proposed an ordinance that would ban slavery in the Northwest territories. But Jefferson always maintained that the decision to emancipate slaves would have to be part of a democratic process; abolition would be stymied until slaveowners consented to free their human property together in a large-scale act of emancipation. To Jefferson, it was anti-democratic and contrary to the principles of the American Revolution for the federal government to enact abolition or for only a few planters to free their slaves.​
But don’t blame Jefferson for slavery. Don’t blame the Founding Fathers for slavery. They didn’t invent slavery, although MSNBC and CNN would have you believe they did.
Blame the Sumerians.
Slavery wasn’t invented in Africa. It’s probably a Mesopotamian concept, practiced in Sumeria for millennia before it was seen in Africa. Slavery has long been a staple of Islam and Muslim countries. Islam is also indelibly intertwined with African slavery.
~Snip~
Addenda
Slavery still exists in Africa today.
Top 5 African Countries Where Slavery Is Still Rampant
Slavery Today
Slavery in Africa is still alive
FACT: The blame for slavery being present in the New World derives from African slave owners. Perhaps it is the billionaires of Africa from whom reparations should be sought.

Comment:
Hmm...., Anthony Johnson is the first documented colonist slave owner (as opposed to indentured servant) was Black.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)
Slavery and racism (whether based on race or culture) is older than written history.
Who should pay reparations? Democrats. Only those who support Democrat candidates, who have supported Democrat candidates because it was the Democrat party that supported slavery, defended slavery, created Jim Crow, created the KKK and implemented institutionalized racism across the South. They've created Blue city plantations and packed their ghettos with their Blacks paid and taught them little while filling their heads with victimization and racism.
In atonement, all they’ve ever done is blame others for racism and slavery. It’s no coincidence that every time Democrats compare election integrity laws to some evil historic reference, it is always something the Democrats were responsible for.
Want to end racism and hold the prime villains accountable? Target those responsible.
Jefferson indeed did hold anti-slavery views. However, he had plenty of slaves, and their treatment on his plantation, Monticello, was often brutal. He is not blameless in this.

But, I find it strange that any RepubliQan would defend Jefferson, since his ideas are so antithetical to your modern corporate-shilling QOP politics.
 
I read the whole idiot thread and DID NOT LEARN ---anything about
SLAVERY that I did not know before other than lots of the posters are
idiots
 
Slavery in the New World pretty much began with providing labor for the Sugar Plantations in Recif, Brazil. The Dutch West Indies company had a lot of stockholders.

I don't think the Dutch or any Europeans got beyond coastal Africa. What gold were they looking for and where?
What is now called Ghana was then the Gold Coast. Africans had been mining gold in that region for a long time.

These conversations always ignore that it was the Arabs who set up the slave markets, routes and economy in West Africa. The white-right always wants to shift blame from themselves to black Africans. It's like one member of the gang points the fingers at the others as if he weren't also guilty.
 
What makes you think that Hispanic Americans are going to remain as a separate racial group for a hundred years? History tells us most immigrants assimilate- you don't see that as probable here?

A lot of people currently in America who have Spanish based surnames already consider themselves to be Honkies. A fellow I knew in school, who grandfather immigrated to Ohio early in the 20th Century, was indistinguishable from anyone else by the 1970's. The boy's name was "Jimenez" , but the pronunciation was "Gym a Nezz". If you called him "Heem e Neth", he'd kick your ass. Simple to a German fellow I knew whose name was "Wagner"- if you called him "Vaugner", you'd be asking for and should be ready for a fight.
Why anyone would fight over the correct pronunciation of their name is not clear...

What you say is true about assimilation, though not universally. There are people who will retain their ethnicity. The Mexicans in the Southwest were there before the gringos stole the land, and so it is not even reasonable to demand that they assimilate and lose their culture.

I have known a lot of immigrants, and what I observe is that by the 2nd or 3rd generation they mostly speak Spanish poorly if at all, and are quite "Americanized". So, relax, bigots.
 
Because other places had slavery that justifies it here? That makes slave owning something we shouldn't condemn?
The white-rights are desperate to come up with something which will absolve whites of guilt. They fear acknowledging their responsibilities in a racist system...
 
What is now called Ghana was then the Gold Coast. Africans had been mining gold in that region for a long time.

These conversations always ignore that it was the Arabs who set up the slave markets, routes and economy in West Africa. The white-right always wants to shift blame from themselves to black Africans. It's like one member of the gang points the fingers at the others as if he weren't also guilty.

I think the Arab slave trade was in East Africa.
 
You know, only a white guy from one of the slave states would post something like that.
Insulting but atlas---the facts are on his side which is why all you can do is sit there and be insulting.
 
Every epoch, culture and civilization practiced slavery. Which one began the effort to abolish it?
 
Yeah because lets say you own 100 slaves and wake up one morning and say ok you are free now get off of my property. Or you could say you are free if you want to work here and stay living in those quarters you get X and rent is X and at the end of the month you are in debt.
Interesting thought. During slavery, people worked all day and only got food and housing. Now people work all day for less than that.

 
What is now called Ghana was then the Gold Coast. Africans had been mining gold in that region for a long time.

These conversations always ignore that it was the Arabs who set up the slave markets, routes and economy in West Africa. The white-right always wants to shift blame from themselves to black Africans. It's like one member of the gang points the fingers at the others as if he weren't also guilty.

Ghana is West Africa.. and coastal.

Islam in Ghana – HikmahWay Institute
It is known that the Arabs in the eighth century A.D. had reached North Africa and spread Islam there. They made several attempts to conquer Ghana. Although most of these attempts failed, they managed to leave a clear imprint on these tribes. It was not long before the Islamic principles spread among all individuals and clans of the Soninke tribes.
 
History Slave Trade - Ghana HomePage, resource for News ...
Philip Curtin, a leading authority on the African slave trade, estimates that roughly 6.3 million slaves were shipped from West Africa to North America and South America, about 4.5 million of that ...
 
I'm not going to divert too much effort into this OP, but the beauty of the United States is that we were the first nation to ever build itself around the idea of equality among all men. The Declaration of Independence and Constitution are aspirational, challenging us to create and keep a nation based around individual rights and freedoms; obviously, we have often fallen short of this, but I would argue that a nation that proclaims itself loudly to be the champion of liberty might have a greater moral obligation to oppose slavery then, say, ancient Sumeria.

Also, while Thomas Jefferson campaigned publicly for eradication of the slave trade, he had no problem keeping a yardful of hard-worked slaves for his own income. He talked a big game about how slavery would destroy America, but resisted taking action to outlaw it; he also believed that Black people were inherently inferior to whites. If that sounds two-faced, that's because he often was two-faced, about slavery and other things as well. He was a pretty complex guy.

Also, the idea that Slavic culture is named after slavery is laughable.
 

Think you know about slavery? You don’t. A repost

17 Jul 2021 ~~ By DrJohn
I first posted this back in July 2015 but given the nonsense transpiring now I felt compelled to once again review the facts about slavery. Slavery was NOT created in the colonies. It was imported to the colonies from Africa. The Dutch went to Africa originally seeking gold and were paid in gold for transporting African slaves from one African port to another for black African slave owners. It’s all here and a lot of it will be uncomfortable to many.
west-africa-slave-trade.jpg
Certain things tend to set off triggers in you. For me it was Don Lemon– when he joined the flag-damning freaking idiot liberal lemmings in their bloodlust considering the removal of the Jefferson memorial:
CNN’s Don Lemon on Tuesday hinted that there will come a day when the United States will have to “rethink” tributes such as the Jefferson Memorial. After a contentious segment with Ben Jones, in which the former Congressman defended the Confederate flag, Legal View host Ashley Banfield brought up the author of the Declaration of Independence.​
She reminded, “There is a monument of him in the capital city of the United States. No one ever asked for that to come down.” At first, Lemon asserted that the comparison was not “equal” and that Jefferson “was a part of the entire United States.” He then added, “There may come a day when we may want to rethink Jefferson, I don’t if we should do that. But when we get to that point, I’ll be happy to partake in that particular discussion.”​
And so will I.
I’d already warned about this and I got to watch it take place. With each passing day liberals become more and more like ISIS- seeking to purge history of anything they deem politically incorrect according to THEIR version of politically correct history. Let’s go back and look at how slavery came to be. Here are some hard facts.
Thomas Jefferson had nothing but contempt for slavery:
Thomas Jefferson was a consistent opponent of slavery his whole life. Calling it a “moral depravity” and a “hideous blot,” he believed that slavery presented the greatest threat to the survival of the new American nation. Jefferson also thought that slavery was contrary to the laws of nature, which decreed that everyone had a right to personal liberty. These views were radical in a world where unfree labor was the norm.​
At the time of the American Revolution, Jefferson was actively involved in legislation that he hoped would result in slavery’s abolition. In 1778, he drafted a Virginia law that prohibited the importation of enslaved Africans. In 1784, he proposed an ordinance that would ban slavery in the Northwest territories. But Jefferson always maintained that the decision to emancipate slaves would have to be part of a democratic process; abolition would be stymied until slaveowners consented to free their human property together in a large-scale act of emancipation. To Jefferson, it was anti-democratic and contrary to the principles of the American Revolution for the federal government to enact abolition or for only a few planters to free their slaves.​
But don’t blame Jefferson for slavery. Don’t blame the Founding Fathers for slavery. They didn’t invent slavery, although MSNBC and CNN would have you believe they did.
Blame the Sumerians.
Slavery wasn’t invented in Africa. It’s probably a Mesopotamian concept, practiced in Sumeria for millennia before it was seen in Africa. Slavery has long been a staple of Islam and Muslim countries. Islam is also indelibly intertwined with African slavery.
~Snip~
Addenda
Slavery still exists in Africa today.
Top 5 African Countries Where Slavery Is Still Rampant
Slavery Today
Slavery in Africa is still alive
FACT: The blame for slavery being present in the New World derives from African slave owners. Perhaps it is the billionaires of Africa from whom reparations should be sought.

Comment:
Hmm...., Anthony Johnson is the first documented colonist slave owner (as opposed to indentured servant) was Black.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)
Slavery and racism (whether based on race or culture) is older than written history.
Who should pay reparations? Democrats. Only those who support Democrat candidates, who have supported Democrat candidates because it was the Democrat party that supported slavery, defended slavery, created Jim Crow, created the KKK and implemented institutionalized racism across the South. They've created Blue city plantations and packed their ghettos with their Blacks paid and taught them little while filling their heads with victimization and racism.
In atonement, all they’ve ever done is blame others for racism and slavery. It’s no coincidence that every time Democrats compare election integrity laws to some evil historic reference, it is always something the Democrats were responsible for.
Want to end racism and hold the prime villains accountable? Target those responsible.

Poor Irish and German immigrants fared a lot worse than slaves in 19th century America. If anybody deserves reparations it's the Irish and Germans, and all those eastern European refugees from Russia from the 1880's on.
 
Slavery in the New World pretty much began with providing labor for the Sugar Plantations in Recif, Brazil. The Dutch West Indies company had a lot of stockholders.

I don't think the Dutch or any Europeans got beyond coastal Africa. What gold were they looking for and where?
lol somebody has no clue as to why there was a 'Gold Coast' in Western Africa.

For the Peanut Gallery, look up an historian named Raymond A. Kea. He is an expert on African trade from the 14th Century onward.

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Very detailed and sourced.
 
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lol somebody has no clue as to why there was a 'Gold Coast' in Western Africa.

For the Peanut Gallery, look up an historian named Raymond A. Kea. He is an expert on African trade from the 17th Century onward.

41Qk-9kETXL._SX349_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg



Very detailed and sourced.

The Arabs were not involved in the West African slave trade. The Arabs didn't deal in massive numbers. They had no plantations for that kind of labor force nor could they feed huge numbers of slaves.
 
I'm not going to divert too much effort into this OP, but the beauty of the United States is that we were the first nation to ever build itself around the idea of equality among all men. The Declaration of Independence and Constitution are aspirational, challenging us to create and keep a nation based around individual rights and freedoms; obviously, we have often fallen short of this, but I would argue that a nation that proclaims itself loudly to be the champion of liberty might have a greater moral obligation to oppose slavery then, say, ancient Sumeria.

Also, while Thomas Jefferson campaigned publicly for eradication of the slave trade, he had no problem keeping a yardful of hard-worked slaves for his own income. He talked a big game about how slavery would destroy America, but resisted taking action to outlaw it; he also believed that Black people were inherently inferior to whites. If that sounds two-faced, that's because he often was two-faced, about slavery and other things as well. He was a pretty complex guy.

Also, the idea that Slavic culture is named after slavery is laughable.

The Declaration of Independence was just an attempt to get France to side with us.
 
The Arabs were not involved in the West African slave trade. The Arabs didn't deal in massive numbers. They had no plantations for that kind of labor force nor could they feed huge numbers of slaves.

Rubbish.
 

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