There will be no unity until Trump's seditionists are no more.

[Bryan Luhning]

Which according to the last sentence sounds like a recipe for anarchy. Hence my skepticism about any of these utopian ideas. We have far more evidence of their failures than any of their successes.

Heartily agree with most of that, but not the first sentence. Total government control and anarchy are polar opposites.

Tyrannical governments all eventually break down an hence anarchy. Look at the rise of the Russian mafia after the decline of the UssR. Look at the disaster in Serbia.

 

[MadDog]

Which according to the last sentence sounds like a recipe for anarchy. Hence my skepticism about any of these utopian ideas. We have far more evidence of their failures than any of their successes.

Heartily agree with most of that, but not the first sentence. Total government control and anarchy are polar opposites.

Tyrannical governments all eventually break down an hence anarchy. Look at the rise of the Russian mafia after the decline of the UssR. Look at the disaster in Serbia.

Sorry, you make a really weak case. You’re wasting a lot of time arguing like a teenager. You spin things and parse words but offering nothing of substance.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Name something other than claim election fraud, has Trump done since the November election?
Even a lame duck is supposed to continue to govern, not just hide away from the people who voted him out.

I’m not sure he was hiding. He was out in public improving his golf game. LOL

Do you mean shaving points off with a pencil with an eraser is improving his golf game?

 

[Nostra]

Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.

After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.

Tell that bald headed fag boi to come and get me.....

Do not say "come get me" while on the internet. You are spineless. If you are such a tough guy face those you egg on in person. If you are not going to a place you can do what you say or someone else can do what you request shut the f**k up. Do not be a spineless chicken hawk spouting off tough guy tal on the internet. Go where you or someone else can do something about it.

When everything with real radicals is in your face, we get people like you. The amount of people needed to clean up the shit we produce while accusing people who do not agree with it of all names possible is sickening. We do it by our own agendas and programs. We promote it. Taxes keep going up through inflation or stagnant wages. Either way, the police state you deny is coming on strong and it will be fun to watch when the resources are adjusted downward as our economy continues its decline.

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid. The upswing for ten years of the economy was all Obama with his ten year recovery package.

Worst recovery since WWII. The recession ended in June 2009, Fuckstick.

 

[Nostra]

"If you need thousands of troops for your inauguration, then you were likely not elected by the people."

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Dump lost by about 8 million votes. Biden won the popular and the electoral vote. Anyone with a functioning brain would know Biden was elected by the people.

Mighty convenient timing for a sudden change of heart from people who for 4 fucking years whined about Russia's election interference. Whatever happened to that big-talk about burning the whole damn system to the ground?

When have you ever heard me say anything about burning anything to the ground? Dump helped the Russians. They couldnt pin him down but anyone with a brain knows he colluded with them.

Suddenly it's tantamount to treason to question election integrity or stage protests. Even though the vast majority of the tens of thousands of DC protesters remained "mostly peaceful", that old excuse just ain't gonna cut it anymore. Like I said, this sudden shift in tone is mighty convenient.

You can question all you want to. You can decide not to believe the republican voting officials that said the election was fair. You can disbelieve all the republican appointed judges that laughed Dumps suits out the court due to lack of evidence. You can do all that but if you fuck up and try to overturn the results you will be dealt with harshly.

If only the accusation of "sedition" was limited specifically to the people who actually broke into the capitol building and committed actual crimes but in reality there's a broad brush smear campaign against a huge swathe of Americans who did nothing wrong.

If a person supports the breaking into the capital, they are just as morally reprehensible and anti-American as those that did. They just were not able to go, as lacked transportation, time off their day job, no baby sitter, etc.. Then again, the may just lack the courage of their convictions, so it is unlikely they will be convicted.

Then by your standards I am just as morally reprehensible and anti-American (at least anti your Big Brother version of America) as those that protested and dam proud of it. I don't recall any outrage from you when antifa and blm staged much more violent protests on public property. Have you forgotten that public property belongs to the people which is why it is known a "public" property. They bought it, they paid for it and I don't think "trespassing" on it is any very serious crime. Where was your "anti-America" bullshit when real thugs decided to make several city blocks of an American city their private domain? They invaded a part of my Country and had they tried to stop me from my legal use of public property a war would have started right then. It was far more morally reprehensible and anti-American for the involved officials to just cede what they were sworn and legally required to protect. Somehow I don't find Americans who are innocent of any crime not being convicted to be a bad thing.

There you go. Just not willing to live by the laws the rest of us support, eh? I do not live in the crap cities where the mayors and governor put up with the disgraceful destructive and in some cases deadly riots. I promise not to spend my tourism dollars in any of those lawless places and certainly would not live in one. As an American citizen, I claim the right to not have my Capital Building attacked by anti constitution, anti-law and order right wing extremists. Portland is not my city. Washington DC Capital hill area belongs to all loyal American. Traitorous scum need not visit. There are rules and laws reguarding every bit of public land, and monuments in this country and that includes the Capital Building. You do not have the right to do as you please in these places as if you are entitled breaking, attack, and destroy to get your way after you lose an election. Plain as that. If you can't handle being a decent citizen, don't expect anybody to treat you as one or say nice calm supportive things to you or about you. You are not a little child and we do not favor babying you until you calm down. We're talking about Washington DC, not the state of Washington. Suck it up and act better.

"As an American citizen, I claim the right to not have my Capital Building attacked by anti constitution, anti-law and order right wing extremists."
Great. Then you should be happy that it wasn't. You should stop being a pouty lil bitch and admit that the people who went into the capitol own it just as much as you do. Own it just as much as the rent-a-cop who used a flimsy pathetic excuse to shoot down an innocent unarmed American citizen for the alleged crime of trespass. Have you condemned his moral repugnance? I don't think so. Have you condemned any other of the many other demonstrations and/or violent riots that have taken place there? I doubt it. But you do presume to condemn everybody everywhere who presumes to have a POV different than your own.
Nobody cares what city or State or district you live in. We are talking about America. Any attack on any part of it is as much an attack on America and Americans as an attack on any other part. Even Portland. You're just a child having a screaming shit-fit because someone dared to have an opinion you didn't authorize. Grow up.

You should watch the news. Characterizing a violent mob as anything other than an attack, shown live and verified afterwards will do no good. Suck it up, buttercup.

Nah.
I watched it, and it looked more like a grade school, playground, shoving match.
No one was trying to harm anyone from the demonstrator side.
The police however, WERE illegally trying to harm, to the point they were shooting indiscriminately at innocent people.
Clearly only the police violated felony laws and need to be arrested.

Everyone in that building who was not invited, should have been shot dead. Period! They attacked this country.

So they should have gunned down all the BLM rioters....

Why would they do that? Most of those people were protesting legally on public property. The Trump terrorists were not.

Were they? Maybe because lots of them were NOT protesting legally on public poperty but were rioting, looting, and committing assorted acts of destruction and mayhem and terrorism and insurrection on private and public property alike. The vast majority of the DC protestors did protest legally on public property (which includes the Capitol no matter how many commies on this site think only they should have the right to decide who should be in the building or not). And BTW there is tons of TV footage of them doing it. The antifa/blm terrorists who captured and held part of Portland purely deserve to be hung by the neck until dead dead dead and rotted.

Hundreds didn't protest legally, and five people lost their lives. You don't give a shit about that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

And the same is true and more so of several dozen "protests" just in the last couple years. You're just determined to be a hypocrite about the whole thing.

You have no real intelligent understanding of hypocrisy. The BLM protesters had an agenda for being treated the same. And they were met with Trump's skinhead militia disguised as law enforcement who used BLM to camouflage their own evil with violence, burning, and looting. Were BLM protesters involved in such activity? Yes! But when Trump's goons got on the scene, they made it ten times worse. Which was their mission.

Link?

 

[Nostra]

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid

Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and running

The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.

Link?

 

[Nostra]

Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.

After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.

Tell that bald headed fag boi to come and get me.....

Do not say "come get me" while on the internet. You are spineless. If you are such a tough guy face those you egg on in person. If you are not going to a place you can do what you say or someone else can do what you request shut the f**k up. Do not be a spineless chicken hawk spouting off tough guy tal on the internet. Go where you or someone else can do something about it.

When everything with real radicals is in your face, we get people like you. The amount of people needed to clean up the shit we produce while accusing people who do not agree with it of all names possible is sickening. We do it by our own agendas and programs. We promote it. Taxes keep going up through inflation or stagnant wages. Either way, the police state you deny is coming on strong and it will be fun to watch when the resources are adjusted downward as our economy continues its decline.

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid. The upswing for ten years of the economy was all Obama with his ten year recovery package.

The agents of the new world order made sure of it. You will lament the loss of all liberty.

They made sure the economy would recover, while Trump took credit. He said we had the best economy ever under his administration. Obama was responsible for that economy. But, Obama didn't create the best economy, which Trump took credit. Obama created a great recovery for which Trump took credit. Trump doesn't have a clue about economies.

Link?

 

[9thIDdoc]

Untrue terms. Doesn't matter who controls production. What matters is who controls government. Government does indeed control production to the extent it thinks possible.
All forms of government vary in the number of people who control the government and to what extent the government controls the People. And that is the primary difference between systems of government. A king, a dictator, a Pope, a commissar, a committee, a President all can be benevolent and good for the People or true asshoes and bad for the people they theoretically serve. About the only real difference is how quickly they tend to become tyrannical and need to be replaced.

From Wikipedia. As you can see, sources are referenced.

Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership[1][2][3] of the means of production.[4][5][6][7][8][9] It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems.[10]Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity.[11]While no single definition encapsulates many types of socialism,[12]social ownership is the one common element.[1][13][14] Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary, how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change.[15]

Socialism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Government controls production to the extent it is able. Socialism is a form of government. Social ownership is a myth sponsored by government propaganda in an attempt to convince people they have some kind input into decisions. Just a little feel-good lie. How exactly much ownership or control does a field hand on a farm have over the production of steel?

 

[Bryan Luhning]

Which according to the last sentence sounds like a recipe for anarchy. Hence my skepticism about any of these utopian ideas. We have far more evidence of their failures than any of their successes.

Heartily agree with most of that, but not the first sentence. Total government control and anarchy are polar opposites.

Tyrannical governments all eventually break down an hence anarchy. Look at the rise of the Russian mafia after the decline of the UssR. Look at the disaster in Serbia.

Sorry, you make a really weak case. You’re wasting a lot of time arguing like a teenager. You spin things and parse words but offering nothing of substance.

No I rely on a lifetime of observation of real world examples of the failing all these ideologies. I look at the plight of the citizens in the aftermath of the crash of these governments. Even the few examples still standing do not have a great reputation. Think about Cuba , Venezuela or maybe the plight of the Uygers in China. All excellent examples of tyranny done in the name of communism.

 

[MadDog]

Untrue terms. Doesn't matter who controls production. What matters is who controls government. Government does indeed control production to the extent it thinks possible.
All forms of government vary in the number of people who control the government and to what extent the government controls the People. And that is the primary difference between systems of government. A king, a dictator, a Pope, a commissar, a committee, a President all can be benevolent and good for the People or true asshoes and bad for the people they theoretically serve. About the only real difference is how quickly they tend to become tyrannical and need to be replaced.

From Wikipedia. As you can see, sources are referenced.

Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership[1][2][3] of the means of production.[4][5][6][7][8][9] It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems.[10]Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity.[11]While no single definition encapsulates many types of socialism,[12]social ownership is the one common element.[1][13][14] Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary, how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change.[15]

Socialism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Government controls production to the extent it is able. Socialism is a form of government. Social ownership is a myth sponsored by government propaganda in an attempt to convince people they have some kind input into decisions. Just a little feel-good lie. How exactly much ownership or control does a field hand on a farm have over the production of steel?

Did you make that up all by yourself, or did you sponsor a competition at the local high school?

 

[Canon Shooter]

I love how liberals act as if there hasn't been an ounce of violence perpetrated either by them or in their name, all over this country, all of last year.

To every leftist piece of shit who may read this: FUCK YOU. If you were on fire I wouldn't piss on you to put you out...

 

[MadDog]

I love how liberals act as if there hasn't been an ounce of violence perpetrated either by them or in their name, all over this country, all of last year.

To every leftist piece of shit who may read this: FUCK YOU. If you were on fire I wouldn't piss on you to put you out...

Prolly because you can’t find your dick and don’t have a pair of tweezers to hold it.

 

[Bryan Luhning]

Good night all don’t let your hate keep you up all night.

 

[Rigby5]

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid

Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and running

The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.

Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

 

[Rigby5]

Untrue terms. Doesn't matter who controls production. What matters is who controls government. Government does indeed control production to the extent it thinks possible.
All forms of government vary in the number of people who control the government and to what extent the government controls the People. And that is the primary difference between systems of government. A king, a dictator, a Pope, a commissar, a committee, a President all can be benevolent and good for the People or true asshoes and bad for the people they theoretically serve. About the only real difference is how quickly they tend to become tyrannical and need to be replaced.

From Wikipedia. As you can see, sources are referenced.

Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership[1][2][3] of the means of production.[4][5][6][7][8][9] It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems.[10]Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity.[11]While no single definition encapsulates many types of socialism,[12]social ownership is the one common element.[1][13][14] Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary, how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change.[15]

Socialism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Government controls production to the extent it is able. Socialism is a form of government. Social ownership is a myth sponsored by government propaganda in an attempt to convince people they have some kind input into decisions. Just a little feel-good lie. How exactly much ownership or control does a field hand on a farm have over the production of steel?

Socialism is not really a form of government, but just one little aspect of government.
All socialism means is that government is allowed to be involved in or regulate production.
Like public schools, public health care, public utilities, child labor laws, trust busting, etc.
The actual form of government, such as democracy, theocracy, aristocracy, tyranny, etc., is not at all indicated by is it is socialist or not.

 

[Oldestyle]

Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.

After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.

75 million Americans are now "seditionists"? You assholes on the left are foaming at the mouth because you stole an election and now think you can demonize anyone who opposes your agenda that's going to ruin this country! You want war? Be careful what you wish for...

Calling those going into the Capitol building “seditionists” is not the same as calling ALL Trump voters “seditionist”. There’s a definite difference.

i will agree, most Trumpers aren’t Seditionist. Some because they don’t agree with sedition and some simply because there wasn’t room for them at the front of the mob.

You get "mobs" when people feel like they've been screwed! If you REALLY want unity in this country then it's time to bring confidence back to our electoral process. We're in this situation because literally millions of Americans think the other side "stole" an election. If you REALLY want to fix what's wrong it's not difficult. We need to go back to secure elections...where people vote in person with a valid ID or they vote with an absentee ballot that they've requested be mailed to a valid address. If you want "mail out" ballots because you think they give your side an advantage in elections...then you deserve it when mobs coming knocking at your door! Just saying...

 

[MadDog]

If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

to get to herd immunity, more than 200,000,000 have to have antibodies. so you must be saying we should’ve been ACCELERATING the number of infection. and forget about swamping our hospitals, they can manage just fine, no matter how many people need to get in. And never mind that reducing the number of infections reduces the chance of the virus mutating into a strain that is more deadly or that the vaccine won’t prevent.

“Hurry up and die faster” isn’t much of a plan.

in the early days there hadn’t been much research on how to treat COVID. A lot has been learned since then And the morbidity rate is declining - for now.

 

[meaner gene]

Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

I can only say WOW. This is where I have to mention the initial estimates of 2.4 million deaths from coronavirus, based on doing nothing (aka doing herd immunity)

And your numbers of the lethality are just like how the lethality of war has similarly gone down. Not because the weapons of war became less deadly, but because medical treatment of the wounded greatly increased.

 

[MadDog]

You get "mobs" when people feel like they've been screwed! If you REALLY want unity in this country then it's time to bring confidence back to our electoral process. We're in this situation because literally millions of Americans think the other side "stole" an election. If you REALLY want to fix what's wrong it's not difficult. We need to go back to secure elections...where people vote in person with a valid ID or they vote with an absentee ballot that they've requested be mailed to a valid address. If you want "mail out" ballots because you think they give your side an advantage in elections...then you deserve it when mobs coming knocking at your door! Just saying...

Better yet, let’s get back to a time when an orange Prez didn’t spend 4 years spewing phoney allegations to mindless worshipper.

 

[BWK]

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid

Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and running

The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.

Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

Out of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.

Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.

Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu. Get your shit right. WHY DO WE HAVE SO MANY FUCKING STUPID PEOPLE?