There will be no unity until Trump's seditionists are no more.

....well you just voted out the best shot we had....is your lack of faith in people bred into you or did the public school system and CNN do this to you?....
Name something other than claim election fraud, has Trump done since the November election?
Even a lame duck is supposed to continue to govern, not just hide away from the people who voted him out.
 
Untrue terms. Doesn't matter who controls production. What matters is who controls government. Government does indeed control production to the extent it thinks possible.
All forms of government vary in the number of people who control the government and to what extent the government controls the People. And that is the primary difference between systems of government. A king, a dictator, a Pope, a commissar, a committee, a President all can be benevolent and good for the People or true asshoes and bad for the people they theoretically serve. About the only real difference is how quickly they tend to become tyrannical and need to be replaced.
From Wikipedia. As you can see, sources are referenced.

Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership[1][2][3] of the means of production.[4][5][6][7][8][9] It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems.[10]Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity.[11]While no single definition encapsulates many types of socialism,[12]social ownership is the one common element.[1][13][14] Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary, how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change.[15]

 
Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.

After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.

Tell that bald headed fag boi to come and get me.....

Do not say "come get me" while on the internet. You are spineless. If you are such a tough guy face those you egg on in person. If you are not going to a place you can do what you say or someone else can do what you request shut the f**k up. Do not be a spineless chicken hawk spouting off tough guy tal on the internet. Go where you or someone else can do something about it.

When everything with real radicals is in your face, we get people like you. The amount of people needed to clean up the shit we produce while accusing people who do not agree with it of all names possible is sickening. We do it by our own agendas and programs. We promote it. Taxes keep going up through inflation or stagnant wages. Either way, the police state you deny is coming on strong and it will be fun to watch when the resources are adjusted downward as our economy continues its decline.

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid. The upswing for ten years of the economy was all Obama with his ten year recovery package.

The agents of the new world order made sure of it. You will lament the loss of all liberty.

They made sure the economy would recover, while Trump took credit. He said we had the best economy ever under his administration. Obama was responsible for that economy. But, Obama didn't create the best economy, which Trump took credit. Obama created a great recovery for which Trump took credit. Trump doesn't have a clue about economies.


I know you meant to attache supporting links.

But they didn't make it.

Can you attach them to your reply.

Just making a claim like this proves nothing.

How about some evidence so we can study your claim.
 
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You have no real intelligent understanding of hypocrisy. The BLM protesters had an agenda for being treated the same. And they were met with Trump's skinhead militia disguised as law enforcement who used BLM to camouflage their own evil with violence, burning, and looting. Were BLM protesters involved in such activity? Yes! But when Trump's goons got on the scene, they made it ten times worse. Which was their mission.

You're wrong.
I happen to agree with BLM protestors and disagree with the Trump supporters who occupied congress, but the BLM protestors were far more violent, and both were equally protected political expression.
The moment either broke the law the were no longer a protected class. The constitution clearly states peaceful protest there is no wording for riot, political or otherwise is illegal. In a civil society you must allow the process to take place before you try and tear down the country.
 
....well you just voted out the best shot we had....is your lack of faith in people bred into you or did the public school system and CNN do this to you?....
Name something other than claim election fraud, has Trump done since the November election?
Even a lame duck is supposed to continue to govern, not just hide away from the people who voted him out.
Brokered a deal between Morocco and Israel.
 
There will be no unity with seditionists.

Don't exclude yourself from that. There will be no unity with people like you either. You're simply the opposite end of the extreme.
Are you so cynical as to think all our political is reduced to extremes? Can you accept that most Americans prefer a centrist approach, not seditious "proud Boys" racism or anti--fan radical anarchy?

Biden inclusiveness not Trump nationalism.

Seditionists don't care about democracy. Most Americans do.

With friends like seditionists, why are you afraid of AOC? Which one poses the greater threat to democracy?

If you think dems are centrist you're an idiot.
If you think 75,000,000 votes were cast in support of one narrow political ideology, or that Democrats don' contain a variety of political thought and faction, you are either not paying attention or have succumbed to prropagandistic brainwashing.

Such ossified thinking cannot offer solutions and shouldn't weigh in on the momentous problems we face today. In fact, such thiinking lays squarely at the center of our problems.


Do I you know what makes this huge, diverse nation so great? Our mastery at the art of political compromise. One party rule has never, and will.never.serve a form of government of, by and for free people.

Fuck compromising with commies!!!
And your spelling is atrocious.
And your lies are disgusting. What commies? Do you even know what a communist is?

Absolutely....biden is the epitome of a commie.
After all,the CCP owns him.

Hate to break it to you but over 80 million people didn't believe you. And now, through misdeeds and isurrection attempt, it appears that the GOP, as it stands now, is in the process of being defunded. After all the defunding that you clowns attempted (and in some cases were successful) I think karma is here to bite your in the ass.

I dont think things are going to turn out like you think.
Probably a lot closer that what the anarchist wannabes are thinking. Might be harder to even maintain propaganda levels necessary to keep the right wing sheep indoctrinated with lies, as conspiracy and false stories even about election fraud have dropped 73% since the twitter and facebook bans went into effect by one report.

Online misinformation about the US election fell 73% after Trump's social media ban
Why would you believe the MSM about anything?
Saw it live, in color. Seen the vids of the protestors smiling for their own cameras, you know, reality. Reality isn't for interpretation. It is not handed down or decided from above. Not about how you feel about it inside, or what others describe it to be. Reality is real, in and of itself. Try Lenard Piekhoff lecturing live at the Fordham on Objectivist Philosophy if you can find a copy.

Correct that reality is not open for interpretation.
But the obvious reality is the protestors WERE NON-VIOLENT.
They were not shooting people.
The people who were indiscriminately shooting and killing people, WERE the POLICE.
With the demonstrators, I only saw some petty misdemeanors like vandalism.
From the police I saw deliberate murder of people not involved in any criminal acts at all.
That is the objective reality, and there is no way to alter that fact.
Don't be silly. Barricades were breached. Doors were forced open, sometimes with security being forced back by overwhelming numbers and beating of some of the security in the process, including on Capital Police officer that later died. Glass was broken out and insurrectionists (urged to go to the Capital by trump) attempted to climb past, as where the woman was shot in the attempt. Do not attempt to minimized and describe reality as it was live cast. Reality is Real.
Reality is real, motivation has yet to be shown. So far it looks like a smattering of both sides. This is now a case for the authorities and the courts. Obviously the court of popular opinion is deadlock and a new jury is required.

Where in the hell do you get that from? Either they did invade the Capital Building, causing destruction and mayhem and directly or indirectly the deaths of 5 people or they didn't. The problem is, I watched it live and the clips later released agreed with the live broadcast except it was even worse. There is no deadlock. It's going to the Judicial and not the local courts. They did it. They just haven't been convicted quite yet. There were no "Two Sides". It was one sided. Sorry, your Rump Logic doesn't work on this one. There were NO good people on their side.
I did not say any of them were good I just said we do not have a clear picture of why. From the news there were representatives of both extremes in the mob that went inside the capital. But there are also staged pictures inside the capital which doesn’t fit the narrative either. We the people just don’t have all the facts is all I am saying and we can bitch and moan all we like but in the end we do not have enough information to make an informed decision about what really went on during those hours.

You been listening to the rtwingfruitcakes again. No proof that the left contributed to the mayhem other than one or two of them reporting on it up front and in person. The facts are in, the arrest are happening. As soon as the courts catch up, convictions will follow. And there is nothing you can do to change that.

Well, Traitor, seems like you don't have an inch of truth in your spews. I don't have time for you anymore. Enjoy my bitbucket.
 
Name something other than claim election fraud, has Trump done since the November election?
Even a lame duck is supposed to continue to govern, not just hide away from the people who voted him out.
I’m not sure he was hiding. He was out in public improving his golf game. LOL
 
Name something other than claim election fraud, has Trump done since the November election?
Even a lame duck is supposed to continue to govern, not just hide away from the people who voted him out.
Brokered a deal between Morocco and Israel.


The agreement was negotiated by a team led by Jared Kushner, a Senior Advisor to the President of the United States, and Avi Berkowitz, a Special Representative for International Negotiations.[7] Kushner and Berkowitz have been speaking with the Moroccan government for over two years, suggesting normalization of relations with Israel in exchange for US recognition of Morocco's claim to Western Sahara. When Kushner visited Morocco in May 2019, King Mohammed VI raised the issue of US recognition of Western Sahara, emphasizing the importance of this issue to Morocco

I asked what Trump did, not what somebody else did that he took credit for.
 
Untrue terms. Doesn't matter who controls production. What matters is who controls government. Government does indeed control production to the extent it thinks possible.
All forms of government vary in the number of people who control the government and to what extent the government controls the People. And that is the primary difference between systems of government. A king, a dictator, a Pope, a commissar, a committee, a President all can be benevolent and good for the People or true asshoes and bad for the people they theoretically serve. About the only real difference is how quickly they tend to become tyrannical and need to be replaced.
From Wikipedia. As you can see, sources are referenced.

Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership[1][2][3] of the means of production.[4][5][6][7][8][9] It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems.[10]Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity.[11]While no single definition encapsulates many types of socialism,[12]social ownership is the one common element.[1][13][14] Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary, how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change.[15]

Which according to the last sentence sounds like a recipe for anarchy. Hence my skepticism about any of these utopian ideas. We have far more evidence of their failures than any of their successes.
 
Since the election, Trump has fired a bunch of people. Watched a bunch of people quit. Played a bunch of golf, and tweeted till he couldn't tweet no more.
 
Name something other than claim election fraud, has Trump done since the November election?
Even a lame duck is supposed to continue to govern, not just hide away from the people who voted him out.
Brokered a deal between Morocco and Israel.


The agreement was negotiated by a team led by Jared Kushner, a Senior Advisor to the President of the United States, and Avi Berkowitz, a Special Representative for International Negotiations.[7] Kushner and Berkowitz have been speaking with the Moroccan government for over two years, suggesting normalization of relations with Israel in exchange for US recognition of Morocco's claim to Western Sahara. When Kushner visited Morocco in May 2019, King Mohammed VI raised the issue of US recognition of Western Sahara, emphasizing the importance of this issue to Morocco

I asked what Trump did, not what somebody else did that he took credit for.
Ok he signed the worthless omnibus legislation which the democrats say is so good.
 
There will be no unity with seditionists.

Don't exclude yourself from that. There will be no unity with people like you either. You're simply the opposite end of the extreme.
Are you so cynical as to think all our political is reduced to extremes? Can you accept that most Americans prefer a centrist approach, not seditious "proud Boys" racism or anti--fan radical anarchy?

Biden inclusiveness not Trump nationalism.

Seditionists don't care about democracy. Most Americans do.

With friends like seditionists, why are you afraid of AOC? Which one poses the greater threat to democracy?

If you think dems are centrist you're an idiot.
If you think 75,000,000 votes were cast in support of one narrow political ideology, or that Democrats don' contain a variety of political thought and faction, you are either not paying attention or have succumbed to prropagandistic brainwashing.

Such ossified thinking cannot offer solutions and shouldn't weigh in on the momentous problems we face today. In fact, such thiinking lays squarely at the center of our problems.


Do I you know what makes this huge, diverse nation so great? Our mastery at the art of political compromise. One party rule has never, and will.never.serve a form of government of, by and for free people.

Fuck compromising with commies!!!
And your spelling is atrocious.
And your lies are disgusting. What commies? Do you even know what a communist is?

Absolutely....biden is the epitome of a commie.
After all,the CCP owns him.

Hate to break it to you but over 80 million people didn't believe you. And now, through misdeeds and isurrection attempt, it appears that the GOP, as it stands now, is in the process of being defunded. After all the defunding that you clowns attempted (and in some cases were successful) I think karma is here to bite your in the ass.

I dont think things are going to turn out like you think.
Probably a lot closer that what the anarchist wannabes are thinking. Might be harder to even maintain propaganda levels necessary to keep the right wing sheep indoctrinated with lies, as conspiracy and false stories even about election fraud have dropped 73% since the twitter and facebook bans went into effect by one report.

Online misinformation about the US election fell 73% after Trump's social media ban
Why would you believe the MSM about anything?
Saw it live, in color. Seen the vids of the protestors smiling for their own cameras, you know, reality. Reality isn't for interpretation. It is not handed down or decided from above. Not about how you feel about it inside, or what others describe it to be. Reality is real, in and of itself. Try Lenard Piekhoff lecturing live at the Fordham on Objectivist Philosophy if you can find a copy.

Correct that reality is not open for interpretation.
But the obvious reality is the protestors WERE NON-VIOLENT.
They were not shooting people.
The people who were indiscriminately shooting and killing people, WERE the POLICE.
With the demonstrators, I only saw some petty misdemeanors like vandalism.
From the police I saw deliberate murder of people not involved in any criminal acts at all.
That is the objective reality, and there is no way to alter that fact.
Don't be silly. Barricades were breached. Doors were forced open, sometimes with security being forced back by overwhelming numbers and beating of some of the security in the process, including on Capital Police officer that later died. Glass was broken out and insurrectionists (urged to go to the Capital by trump) attempted to climb past, as where the woman was shot in the attempt. Do not attempt to minimized and describe reality as it was live cast. Reality is Real.
Reality is real, motivation has yet to be shown. So far it looks like a smattering of both sides. This is now a case for the authorities and the courts. Obviously the court of popular opinion is deadlock and a new jury is required.

Where in the hell do you get that from? Either they did invade the Capital Building, causing destruction and mayhem and directly or indirectly the deaths of 5 people or they didn't. The problem is, I watched it live and the clips later released agreed with the live broadcast except it was even worse. There is no deadlock. It's going to the Judicial and not the local courts. They did it. They just haven't been convicted quite yet. There were no "Two Sides". It was one sided. Sorry, your Rump Logic doesn't work on this one. There were NO good people on their side.
I did not say any of them were good I just said we do not have a clear picture of why. From the news there were representatives of both extremes in the mob that went inside the capital. But there are also staged pictures inside the capital which doesn’t fit the narrative either. We the people just don’t have all the facts is all I am saying and we can bitch and moan all we like but in the end we do not have enough information to make an informed decision about what really went on during those hours.

You been listening to the rtwingfruitcakes again. No proof that the left contributed to the mayhem other than one or two of them reporting on it up front and in person. The facts are in, the arrest are happening. As soon as the courts catch up, convictions will follow. And there is nothing you can do to change that.

Well, Traitor, seems like you don't have an inch of truth in your spews. I don't have time for you anymore. Enjoy my bitbucket.
I thought this was a discussion forum not a cesspool of ideological garbage talk. I not sure if you had anything to add to the conversation because I just skipped to the end and ignore your ranting. If you would care to reword your argument I will see about thinking about the point you want to defend.
 
Since the election, Trump has fired a bunch of people. Watched a bunch of people quit. Played a bunch of golf, and tweeted till he couldn't tweet no more.
Since he probably had a caddy according to some on this forum he can’t take credit for the golfing either. Unless you work for yourself according to this line of reasoning nobody can claim to accomplish anything.
 
....well you just voted out the best shot we had....is your lack of faith in people bred into you or did the public school system and CNN do this to you?....
Name something other than claim election fraud, has Trump done since the November election?
Even a lame duck is supposed to continue to govern, not just hide away from the people who voted him out.
Vaccine in record time peace in the middle east the best unemployment numbers for Blacks and every other minority group....we had record breaking stock market gains even through Covid shut downs he made Obamacare work by not mandating everyone into it...

He has brought our troops home from endless mistakenly started and fought wars....he saved our VA hospitals....and now people with dire medical conditions can try experimental but very promising medication and treatment and its saving lives....

He lowered your taxes and mine and helped to create more small businesses for minorities and women in a 4 year time span than any other administration in our nations history....

He has repeatedly done what everyone said he couldn't do...and your stupid brainwashed ass voted him out....

Feel better idiot?.....
 
Which according to the last sentence sounds like a recipe for anarchy. Hence my skepticism about any of these utopian ideas. We have far more evidence of their failures than any of their successes.
Heartily agree with most of that, but not the first sentence. Total government control and anarchy are polar opposites.
 
Since he probably had a caddy according to some on this forum he can’t take credit for the golfing either. Unless you work for yourself according to this line of reasoning nobody can claim to accomplish anything.
We're talking about things Trump did. Like tell his lawyer Rudy Giuliani to file dozens of election lawsuits.

BTW: Has Trump paid Rudy ? The last I heard is that Trump is stiffing Rudy of his $20,000 a day fee.
 
....well you just voted out the best shot we had....is your lack of faith in people bred into you or did the public school system and CNN do this to you?....
Name something other than claim election fraud, has Trump done since the November election?
Even a lame duck is supposed to continue to govern, not just hide away from the people who voted him out.
Vaccine in record time peace in the middle east the best unemployment numbers for Blacks and every other minority group....we had record breaking stock market gains even through Covid shut downs he made Obamacare work by not mandating everyone into it...

He has brought our troops home from endless mistakenly started and fought wars....he saved our VA hospitals....and now people with dire medical conditions can try experimental but very promising medication and treatment and its saving lives....

He lowered your taxes and mine and helped to create more small businesses for minorities and women in a 4 year time span than any other administration in our nations history....

He has repeatedly done what everyone said he couldn't do...and your stupid brainwashed ass voted him out....

Feel better idiot?.....
Very good post until the last two sentences, you just couldn’t present a valid argument without resorting to disrespectful conversation.
 
Vaccine in record time peace in the middle east the best unemployment numbers for Blacks and every other minority group....we had record breaking stock market gains even through Covid shut downs he made Obamacare work by not mandating everyone into it...

He has brought our troops home from endless mistakenly started and fought wars....he saved our VA hospitals....and now people with dire medical conditions can try experimental but very promising medication and treatment and its saving lives....

He lowered your taxes and mine and helped to create more small businesses for minorities and women in a 4 year time span than any other administration in our nations history....

He has repeatedly done what everyone said he couldn't do...and your stupid brainwashed ass voted him out....

Feel better idiot?.....

I asked what Trump has done since the election. I think you pretty much proved my point that Trump stopped working for the people since November.
 

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