There will be no unity until Trump's seditionists are no more.

[Oldestyle]

You get "mobs" when people feel like they've been screwed! If you REALLY want unity in this country then it's time to bring confidence back to our electoral process. We're in this situation because literally millions of Americans think the other side "stole" an election. If you REALLY want to fix what's wrong it's not difficult. We need to go back to secure elections...where people vote in person with a valid ID or they vote with an absentee ballot that they've requested be mailed to a valid address. If you want "mail out" ballots because you think they give your side an advantage in elections...then you deserve it when mobs coming knocking at your door! Just saying...

Better yet, let’s get back to a time when an orange Prez didn’t spend 4 years spewing phoney allegations to mindless worshipper.

Who spent four years spewing phony allegations, MadDog? Actually, make that four and a half years because liberals in this country were spewing phony allegations about Trump before he even took office! Russian collusion? Talk about a crock!

 

[BWK]

Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

I can only say WOW. This is where I have to mention the initial estimates of 2.4 million deaths from coronavirus, based on doing nothing (aka doing herd immunity)

And your numbers of the lethality are just like how the lethality of war has similarly gone down. Not because the weapons of war became less deadly, but because medical treatment of the wounded greatly increased.

That post of his was a doozy.

 

[BWK]

You get "mobs" when people feel like they've been screwed! If you REALLY want unity in this country then it's time to bring confidence back to our electoral process. We're in this situation because literally millions of Americans think the other side "stole" an election. If you REALLY want to fix what's wrong it's not difficult. We need to go back to secure elections...where people vote in person with a valid ID or they vote with an absentee ballot that they've requested be mailed to a valid address. If you want "mail out" ballots because you think they give your side an advantage in elections...then you deserve it when mobs coming knocking at your door! Just saying...

Better yet, let’s get back to a time when an orange Prez didn’t spend 4 years spewing phoney allegations to mindless worshipper.

Who spent four years spewing phony allegations, MadDog? Actually, make that four and a half years because liberals in this country were spewing phony allegations about Trump before he even took office! Russian collusion? Talk about a crock!

20,000 plus confirmed lies by Trump. What phony allegations are you talking about?

 

[Rigby5]

If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

to get to herd immunity, more than 200,000,000 have to have antibodies. so you must be saying we should’ve been ACCELERATING the number of infection. and forget about swamping our hospitals, they can manage just fine, no matter how many people need to get in. And never mind that reducing the number of infections reduces the chance of the virus mutating into a strain that is more deadly or that the vaccine won’t prevent.


in the early days there hadn’t been much research on how to treat COVID. A lot has been learned since then And the morbidity rate is declining - for now.

We SHOULD have been accelerating the infection rate. Since the young and healthy are essentially at no risk, we should have been deliberately infecting young volunteers. They could have been compensated for the tiny risk.

But no, your numbers and conclusions are totally wrong.
First of all, when you need 70% of the population to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity, that has NOTHING at all to do with antibodies.
Since over half the population is and always has been inherently immune to every epidemic there has ever been, the estimates should have been that only 10 to 20% more would have had to gain immunity.
Remember that children as almost all inherently immune right off the bat.

By insolating only the vulnerable and quarantining the infected, we could have used variolation, (deliberate infection), or only the young and healthy, so had almost no hospitalization at all.

And NO, there would be NO variants or new strains because variolation would have achieve herd immunity in less than a month. That would prevent any new strains. New strains are a product of time, not spread. And if we had achieve herd immunity in March, we would have had neither. We would have had less spread, not more. The virus would have had less time to change, not more. As it is, by "flattening the curve", we forced the epidemic to last over a year, which produced the most deaths and new strains possible.

And antibodies have nothing to do with it. Whether inherent immunity or acquired immunity, that only means your immune system has the ability to produce the correct antibodies in response. It does not mean you have to actually have them. And they only last a month or less anyway, so antibodies are not relevant.

 

[Nostra]

Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.

After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.

Tell that bald headed fag boi to come and get me.....

Do not say "come get me" while on the internet. You are spineless. If you are such a tough guy face those you egg on in person. If you are not going to a place you can do what you say or someone else can do what you request shut the f**k up. Do not be a spineless chicken hawk spouting off tough guy tal on the internet. Go where you or someone else can do something about it.

When everything with real radicals is in your face, we get people like you. The amount of people needed to clean up the shit we produce while accusing people who do not agree with it of all names possible is sickening. We do it by our own agendas and programs. We promote it. Taxes keep going up through inflation or stagnant wages. Either way, the police state you deny is coming on strong and it will be fun to watch when the resources are adjusted downward as our economy continues its decline.

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid. The upswing for ten years of the economy was all Obama with his ten year recovery package.

The agents of the new world order made sure of it. You will lament the loss of all liberty.

They made sure the economy would recover, while Trump took credit. He said we had the best economy ever under his administration. Obama was responsible for that economy. But, Obama didn't create the best economy, which Trump took credit. Obama created a great recovery for which Trump took credit. Trump doesn't have a clue about economies.

Link?

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid

Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and running

The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.

Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

Out of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.

Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.

Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu. Get your shit right. WHY DO WE HAVE SO MANY FUCKING STUPID PEOPLE?

link?

 

[BWK]

I love how liberals act as if there hasn't been an ounce of violence perpetrated either by them or in their name, all over this country, all of last year.

To every leftist piece of shit who may read this: FUCK YOU. If you were on fire I wouldn't piss on you to put you out...

Well of course. When the side of the truth isn't on your side, what's the next best thing? Shit on the truth of course, and blame someone else.

 

[BWK]

If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

to get to herd immunity, more than 200,000,000 have to have antibodies. so you must be saying we should’ve been ACCELERATING the number of infection. and forget about swamping our hospitals, they can manage just fine, no matter how many people need to get in. And never mind that reducing the number of infections reduces the chance of the virus mutating into a strain that is more deadly or that the vaccine won’t prevent.


in the early days there hadn’t been much research on how to treat COVID. A lot has been learned since then And the morbidity rate is declining - for now.

We SHOULD have been accelerating the infection rate. Since the young and healthy are essentially at no risk, we should have been deliberately infecting young volunteers. They could have been compensated for the tiny risk.

But no, your numbers and conclusions are totally wrong.
First of all, when you need 70% of the population to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity, that has NOTHING at all to do with antibodies.
Since over half the population is and always has been inherently immune to every epidemic there has ever been, the estimates should have been that only 10 to 20% more would have had to gain immunity.
Remember that children as almost all inherently immune right off the bat.

By insolating only the vulnerable and quarantining the infected, we could have used variolation, (deliberate infection), or only the young and healthy, so had almost no hospitalization at all.

And NO, there would be NO variants or new strains because variolation would have achieve herd immunity in less than a month. That would prevent any new strains. New strains are a product of time, not spread. And if we had achieve herd immunity in March, we would have had neither less spread, not more. As it is, by "flattening the curve", we forced the epidemic to last over a year, which produced the most deaths and new strains possible.

And antibodies have nothing to do with it. Whether inherent immunity or acquired immunity, that only means your immune system has the ability to produce the correct antibodies in response. It does not mean you have to actually have them. And they only last a month or less anyway, so antibodies are not relevant.

Are we actually reading this bloviating ignorance? Does this person know anything about long term health risks after the virus? MY God where do these idiots come from?

 

[BWK]

Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.

After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.

Tell that bald headed fag boi to come and get me.....

Do not say "come get me" while on the internet. You are spineless. If you are such a tough guy face those you egg on in person. If you are not going to a place you can do what you say or someone else can do what you request shut the f**k up. Do not be a spineless chicken hawk spouting off tough guy tal on the internet. Go where you or someone else can do something about it.

When everything with real radicals is in your face, we get people like you. The amount of people needed to clean up the shit we produce while accusing people who do not agree with it of all names possible is sickening. We do it by our own agendas and programs. We promote it. Taxes keep going up through inflation or stagnant wages. Either way, the police state you deny is coming on strong and it will be fun to watch when the resources are adjusted downward as our economy continues its decline.

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid. The upswing for ten years of the economy was all Obama with his ten year recovery package.

The agents of the new world order made sure of it. You will lament the loss of all liberty.

They made sure the economy would recover, while Trump took credit. He said we had the best economy ever under his administration. Obama was responsible for that economy. But, Obama didn't create the best economy, which Trump took credit. Obama created a great recovery for which Trump took credit. Trump doesn't have a clue about economies.

Link?

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid

Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and running

The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.

Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

Out of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.

Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.

Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu. Get your shit right. WHY DO WE HAVE SO MANY FUCKING STUPID PEOPLE?

link?

I thought you were back in your hole?

 

[meaner gene]

It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.


If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.

As was pointed out, herd immunity requires at least 200 million infections, with the mortality in march at 1.8% (we got better half a year later, but you're talking at the time you wanted to try herd immunity) which would have resulted in 3.6 million deaths, in the span of a couple of months. More than doubling the annual mortality.

 

[BWK]

It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.


If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.

As was pointed out, herd immunity requires at least 200 million infections, with the mortality in march at 1.8% (we got better half a year later, but you're talking at the time you wanted to try herd immunity) which would have resulted in 3.6 million deaths, in the span of a couple of months. More than doubling the annual mortality.

He's not smart enough to figure that out.

 

[BWK]

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid

Our economy declined because blue state governors put the country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and running

Too bad Trump waited months to tell us it was five times worse than the flu. He fucked it up bigley.

 

[Rigby5]

Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

I can only say WOW. This is where I have to mention the initial estimates of 2.4 million deaths from coronavirus, based on doing nothing (aka doing herd immunity)

And your numbers of the lethality are just like how the lethality of war has similarly gone down. Not because the weapons of war became less deadly, but because medical treatment of the wounded greatly increased.

Wrong.
Fauci was the ONLY one who said 2.4 million would have to die for herd immunity, and clearly he was totally WRONG about everything.
He claimed covid-19 was more infectious than seasonal flu and its not. Its R0 is only about 2, the same as all the benign annual illnesses.
He claimed covid-19 has a lethality of 10%, and he was totally wrong. It turns out to only have a lethality of about 0.15%.
He claimed you needed 70% of the population to get infected, and he was wrong because he ignored that over half the population already is inherently immune, such as almost all children.
The he was also mistaken because the death rate for those dying was almost all due to being over 70.
The death rate for those under 38 year old was less than forty times lower.
So if you add up just these 3 mistakes, you have a factor of error of about 1000, turning that 2.4 million into 2.4 thousand.

Which is what EVERYONE should always have expected, since covid-19 is not more infectious or lethal than any annual illness.
The reason we have 300,000 dead is only because we deliberately "flattened the curve" and prevented the spike that would have ended it in March. We deliberately made it a perpetual infection.

 

[Nostra]

You get "mobs" when people feel like they've been screwed! If you REALLY want unity in this country then it's time to bring confidence back to our electoral process. We're in this situation because literally millions of Americans think the other side "stole" an election. If you REALLY want to fix what's wrong it's not difficult. We need to go back to secure elections...where people vote in person with a valid ID or they vote with an absentee ballot that they've requested be mailed to a valid address. If you want "mail out" ballots because you think they give your side an advantage in elections...then you deserve it when mobs coming knocking at your door! Just saying...

Better yet, let’s get back to a time when an orange Prez didn’t spend 4 years spewing phoney allegations to mindless worshipper.

Who spent four years spewing phony allegations, MadDog? Actually, make that four and a half years because liberals in this country were spewing phony allegations about Trump before he even took office! Russian collusion? Talk about a crock!

20,000 plus confirmed lies by Trump. What phony allegations are you talking about?

Link?

 

[Canon Shooter]

I love how liberals act as if there hasn't been an ounce of violence perpetrated either by them or in their name, all over this country, all of last year.

To every leftist piece of shit who may read this: FUCK YOU. If you were on fire I wouldn't piss on you to put you out...

Prolly because you can’t find your dick and don’t have a pair of tweezers to hold it.

"Prolly"??

What the fuck are you? 12?

Fuck you, you diseased little fuck.

I hope all liberal fucks have strokes in front of their families...

 

[Nostra]

Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.

After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.

Tell that bald headed fag boi to come and get me.....

Do not say "come get me" while on the internet. You are spineless. If you are such a tough guy face those you egg on in person. If you are not going to a place you can do what you say or someone else can do what you request shut the f**k up. Do not be a spineless chicken hawk spouting off tough guy tal on the internet. Go where you or someone else can do something about it.

When everything with real radicals is in your face, we get people like you. The amount of people needed to clean up the shit we produce while accusing people who do not agree with it of all names possible is sickening. We do it by our own agendas and programs. We promote it. Taxes keep going up through inflation or stagnant wages. Either way, the police state you deny is coming on strong and it will be fun to watch when the resources are adjusted downward as our economy continues its decline.

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid. The upswing for ten years of the economy was all Obama with his ten year recovery package.

The agents of the new world order made sure of it. You will lament the loss of all liberty.

They made sure the economy would recover, while Trump took credit. He said we had the best economy ever under his administration. Obama was responsible for that economy. But, Obama didn't create the best economy, which Trump took credit. Obama created a great recovery for which Trump took credit. Trump doesn't have a clue about economies.

Link?

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid

Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and running

The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.

Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

Out of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.

Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.

Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu. Get your shit right. WHY DO WE HAVE SO MANY FUCKING STUPID PEOPLE?

link?

I thought you were back in your hole?

So, you can’t back up your bullshit.

Got it.

 

[Nostra]

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid

Our economy declined because blue state governors put the country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and running

Too bad Trump waited months to tell us it was five times worse than the flu. He fucked it up bigley.

Link?

 

[Rigby5]

Our economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid

Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and running

The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.

Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

Out of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.

Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.

Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu. Get your shit right. WHY DO WE HAVE SO MANY FUCKING STUPID PEOPLE?

You have proven you can't do simple math.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.

 

[Rigby5]

It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.


If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.

Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.

As was pointed out, herd immunity requires at least 200 million infections, with the mortality in march at 1.8% (we got better half a year later, but you're talking at the time you wanted to try herd immunity) which would have resulted in 3.6 million deaths, in the span of a couple of months. More than doubling the annual mortality.

He's not smart enough to figure that out.

Wrong.
Tell me any epidemic where over half the population was not already immune?

Go back hundreds of years if you have to and find any epidemic that ever killed more than 40% of the population, even if all were infected, since it was a vector like fleas or mosquitos.
You won't find any.
That is because humans have always been evolving along with all pathogens that have evolved, and we have always has some inherent immunity.

 

[BWK]

There will be no unity with seditionists.

Don't exclude yourself from that. There will be no unity with people like you either. You're simply the opposite end of the extreme.

Are you so cynical as to think all our political is reduced to extremes? Can you accept that most Americans prefer a centrist approach, not seditious "proud Boys" racism or anti--fan radical anarchy?

Biden inclusiveness not Trump nationalism.

Seditionists don't care about democracy. Most Americans do.

With friends like seditionists, why are you afraid of AOC? Which one poses the greater threat to democracy?

If you think dems are centrist you're an idiot.

If you think 75,000,000 votes were cast in support of one narrow political ideology, or that Democrats don' contain a variety of political thought and faction, you are either not paying attention or have succumbed to prropagandistic brainwashing.

Such ossified thinking cannot offer solutions and shouldn't weigh in on the momentous problems we face today. In fact, such thiinking lays squarely at the center of our problems.


Do I you know what makes this huge, diverse nation so great? Our mastery at the art of political compromise. One party rule has never, and will.never.serve a form of government of, by and for free people.

Fuck compromising with commies!!!
And your spelling is atrocious.

And your lies are disgusting. What commies? Do you even know what a communist is?

Absolutely....biden is the epitome of a commie.
After all,the CCP owns him.

Hate to break it to you but over 80 million people didn't believe you. And now, through misdeeds and isurrection attempt, it appears that the GOP, as it stands now, is in the process of being defunded. After all the defunding that you clowns attempted (and in some cases were successful) I think karma is here to bite your in the ass.

I dont think things are going to turn out like you think.

Probably a lot closer that what the anarchist wannabes are thinking. Might be harder to even maintain propaganda levels necessary to keep the right wing sheep indoctrinated with lies, as conspiracy and false stories even about election fraud have dropped 73% since the twitter and facebook bans went into effect by one report.

Online misinformation about the US election fell 73% after Trump's social media ban

Online misinformation about the US election fell 73% after Trump's social media ban

Trump blasted out baseless claims of election fraud before and after losing the fight to President-elect Joe Biden.

www.businessinsider.in

Why would you believe the MSM about anything?

Saw it live, in color. Seen the vids of the protestors smiling for their own cameras, you know, reality. Reality isn't for interpretation. It is not handed down or decided from above. Not about how you feel about it inside, or what others describe it to be. Reality is real, in and of itself. Try Lenard Piekhoff lecturing live at the Fordham on Objectivist Philosophy if you can find a copy.

Correct that reality is not open for interpretation.
But the obvious reality is the protestors WERE NON-VIOLENT.
They were not shooting people.
The people who were indiscriminately shooting and killing people, WERE the POLICE.
With the demonstrators, I only saw some petty misdemeanors like vandalism.
From the police I saw deliberate murder of people not involved in any criminal acts at all.
That is the objective reality, and there is no way to alter that fact.

Don't be silly. Barricades were breached. Doors were forced open, sometimes with security being forced back by overwhelming numbers and beating of some of the security in the process, including on Capital Police officer that later died. Glass was broken out and insurrectionists (urged to go to the Capital by trump) attempted to climb past, as where the woman was shot in the attempt. Do not attempt to minimized and describe reality as it was live cast. Reality is Real.

Reality is real, motivation has yet to be shown. So far it looks like a smattering of both sides. This is now a case for the authorities and the courts. Obviously the court of popular opinion is deadlock and a new jury is required.

Where in the hell do you get that from? Either they did invade the Capital Building, causing destruction and mayhem and directly or indirectly the deaths of 5 people or they didn't. The problem is, I watched it live and the clips later released agreed with the live broadcast except it was even worse. There is no deadlock. It's going to the Judicial and not the local courts. They did it. They just haven't been convicted quite yet. There were no "Two Sides". It was one sided. Sorry, your Rump Logic doesn't work on this one. There were NO good people on their side.

I did not say any of them were good I just said we do not have a clear picture of why. From the news there were representatives of both extremes in the mob that went inside the capital. But there are also staged pictures inside the capital which doesn’t fit the narrative either. We the people just don’t have all the facts is all I am saying and we can bitch and moan all we like but in the end we do not have enough information to make an informed decision about what really went on during those hours.

You been listening to the rtwingfruitcakes again. No proof that the left contributed to the mayhem other than one or two of them reporting on it up front and in person. The facts are in, the arrest are happening. As soon as the courts catch up, convictions will follow. And there is nothing you can do to change that.

Well, Traitor, seems like you don't have an inch of truth in your spews. I don't have time for you anymore. Enjoy my bitbucket.

But but, there are good people on both sides; New video shows rioters clashing with Capitol police, rummaging through Senate floor

 

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Untrue terms. Doesn't matter who controls production. What matters is who controls government. Government does indeed control production to the extent it thinks possible.
All forms of government vary in the number of people who control the government and to what extent the government controls the People. And that is the primary difference between systems of government. A king, a dictator, a Pope, a commissar, a committee, a President all can be benevolent and good for the People or true asshoes and bad for the people they theoretically serve. About the only real difference is how quickly they tend to become tyrannical and need to be replaced.

From Wikipedia. As you can see, sources are referenced.

Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership[1][2][3] of the means of production.[4][5][6][7][8][9] It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems.[10]Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity.[11]While no single definition encapsulates many types of socialism,[12]social ownership is the one common element.[1][13][14] Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary, how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change.[15]

Socialism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Government controls production to the extent it is able. Socialism is a form of government. Social ownership is a myth sponsored by government propaganda in an attempt to convince people they have some kind input into decisions. Just a little feel-good lie. How exactly much ownership or control does a field hand on a farm have over the production of steel?

Socialism is not really a form of government, but just one little aspect of government.
All socialism means is that government is allowed to be involved in or regulate production.
Like public schools, public health care, public utilities, child labor laws, trust busting, etc.
The actual form of government, such as democracy, theocracy, aristocracy, tyranny, etc., is not at all indicated by is it is socialist or not.

Please let's not get into discussions of semantics and hair splitting. I mostly agree both with what you say and the definition quoted. The exceptions being that the "definition" is so ambiguous that it could mean almost anything or nothing. The actual form of government is rarely the form claimed by either the government or anybody else and is likely to be in constant flux. The actual government is likely to some combination of all those you mention with some unique variations. Social ownership however is no more than a pleasant fantasy as I said.