There never was a free market in Healthcare

[Listening]

Good. Free market just means those who can pay more get better healthcare. That's bullshit.

Actually, that is quite good.

Why would you think it a bad thing ?

And you might as well get used to the idea that it happens everywhere. Don't kid yourself into thinking that those with money stay within the system if they can find something better.

You can see a long list of wealthy who come to the U.S. for specialized care (in the 37th best system in the world....now that is bulls**T).

 

[Listening]

What do you call the healthcare system we have now? Other than obviously broken.Why is the US 100 years behind every other civilized nation? I prefer at the very least a partly socialist healthcare system like Sweden and Finland.

Thanks for the laugh.

You can't be serious.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EPd2i4Jshs]Krugman gets p3wned on Canadian Health Care - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Harry Dresden]

Fine with me. The rich do not deserve better care because they can afford it. Amazing how you refuse to even entertain the thought of first class healthcare in a socialist society. NS Germany had it,they made extraordinary advances in medicine,MOST European countries have it and they are far more advanced than the US is and their people are healthier and live longer.

FAR more advanced?.....wanna prove that?....because FAR more advanced would imply that this country is third world medically compared too Europe....

 

[dblack]

The Myth of Health Care's Free Market - Newsweek

Yep. Statists have been trying to herd us with health care for a long time. It's about time we told them to get fucked.

 

[norwegen]

Health insurance.....any insurance.....is pure socialism. Except it's done by a corporation with shareholders instead of a central government.

Leave it to a lefty to say that socialism doesn't involve government.

 

[norwegen]

Good. Free market just means those who can pay more get better healthcare. That's bullshit.

You would deny better quality? Only the mediocre should be available?

 

[dblack]

Health insurance.....any insurance.....is pure socialism. Except it's done by a corporation with shareholders instead of a central government.

Socialism is a form of government and leverages the coercive power of the compulsive state. Private insurance, corporate or otherwise, is a voluntary agreement and not coercive (unless we get into the bastardization of insurance created by ACA, which IS coercive).

 

[bripat9643]

Fine with me. The rich do not deserve better care because they can afford it. Amazing how you refuse to even entertain the thought of first class healthcare in a socialist society. NS Germany had it,they made extraordinary advances in medicine,MOST European countries have it and they are far more advanced than the US is and their people are healthier and live longer.

Well I'd like to amend my previous post if I might: We'd all get equally crappy care, except for the members of the State and their favored cronies. They'd get superior care. Should have made that distinction.

So your argument is that those countries are completely socialist as you advocate?

Nope but their healthcare is.

Well I'd like to amend my previous post if I might: We'd all get equally crappy care, except for the members of the State and their favored cronies. They'd get superior care. Should have made that distinction.

So your argument is that those countries are completely socialist as you advocate?

NS thinks that everyone gets the same level of healthcare in England, France and Germany. Apparently he isn't aware of the fact that these countries have a two-tiered system. There's the crappy socialized healthcare for the average joe, but the rich pay for private healthcare which is far superior. So even the system he endorses doesn't produce the result he desires.

Funny how that works.

I said most of Europe so far you named 2 of what? 50 countries? Fact remains those countries are FAR more advanced in healthcare and education than the US is.

No, that's not a fact. Their healthcare is far worse than ours.

 

[bripat9643]

Fine with me. The rich do not deserve better care because they can afford it. Amazing how you refuse to even entertain the thought of first class healthcare in a socialist society. NS Germany had it,they made extraordinary advances in medicine,MOST European countries have it and they are far more advanced than the US is and their people are healthier and live longer.

Will you ask the Cubans in Miami why they left Castro healthcare and headed for Miami in anything that floated?

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1.That's communist
2.Obviously only Europeans/European Americans. can make Socialized societies work correctly.

No one can make it work correctly. You can't draw a triangle with four corners either.

 

[bripat9643]

Health insurance.....any insurance.....is pure socialism. Except it's done by a corporation with shareholders instead of a central government.

Socialism is a form of government and leverages the coercive power of the compulsive state. Private insurance, corporate or otherwise, is a voluntary agreement and not coercive (unless we get into the bastardization of insurance created by ACA, which IS coercive).

Liberals think coercion is just a trivial detail.

 

[bripat9643]

Course it didn't work in the USSR they were too busy murdering anyone educated. Unlike in NS Germany where those smart enough were pushed to help their people.

You mean where they have a two tiered system: one for all the average schmucks like you, and a separate private system for the wealthy?

 

[editec]

There are people who believe in capitalism not scientifically but as religion.

Trying to explain to those FAITH BASED CAPITALISTS that the usual concept of market forces in health care makes no sense is beyond their self imposed limited ability to understand.

I suspect that's because those loyal faith based capitalists don't really understand market forces, or for matter, capitalism, either.

I know a LOT of people like this.

People who are basically intelligent and knowledgeable until the issue of economics comes up. Then they revert to faith rather than logic to grasp their world view.


They are not stupid, they are ignorant and they are ignorant because they count on FAITH instead of facts to guide their thinking.

 

[SwimExpert]

According to that logic, here's where Congressman and Senators live:

House members sleeping in the office - Chicago Tribune

 

[dblack]

There are people who believe in capitalism not scientifically but as religion.

Trying to explain to those FAITH BASED CAPITALISTS that the usual concept of market forces in health care makes no sense is beyond their self imposed limited ability to understand.

I suspect that's because those loyal faith based capitalists don't really understand market forces, or for matter, capitalism, either.

Too much is made of the concept of 'market forces', by both sides of the argument. Free markets are rarely optimal in terms efficiency and it's a mistake to pursue them for that reason. We should strive for free markets because we want freedom, not because it will maximize economic output.

 

[editec]

A man facing death by ill health is seldom searching for the BEST BUY in health care.

A man who needs an appendectomy cannot substitute a cheaper service in its place.

When the customer is TOLD what he will buy? The concept of MARKET FORCES is negated.

Now these statements are not complex in themselves. We all know these statements are true.

Yet my guess would be about half the people here cannot understand why the above statements make the concept of market forces in Health care a joke.

FAith in capitalism blinds some people to how capitalism really works (or does not work in some rare cases)

 

[dblack]

A man facing death by ill health is seldom searching for the BEST BUY in health care.

A man who needs an appendectomy cannot substitute a cheaper service in its place.

When the customer is TOLD what he will buy? The concept of MARKET FORCES is negated.

Now these statements are not complex in themselves. We all know these statements are true.

Yet my guess would be about half the people here cannot understand why the above statements make the concept of market forces in Health care a joke.

FAith in capitalism blinds some people to how capitalism really works (or does not work in some rare cases)

ed, I'm not sure you caught the gist of my comment or not, but - to reiterate - I want a free market in health care for the same reason I want a free market in nearly everything else - because I want freedom in health care.

To put it bluntly, I think it's a really bad idea to put the police in charge of doctors.

 

[Listening]

The Myth of Health Care's Free Market - Newsweek

Yep. Statists have been trying to herd us with health care for a long time. It's about time we told them to get fucked.

I'll sign that petition. As long as it is worded just like that !

 

[Dot Com]

^^ good ole amurican republican. Things all poor use ebt on tattoos and alcohol etc. probably doesn't even know any actual poor people. Just following through with the typical ignorant stereotypes.

Fox/Drudge has them trained to only react to hate & fear. clementine is a classic example of a low-information, pro-hospital insurance industry shill.

as to the OP, MURICA (rw MURICA) is clinging to the old "pay to live" system through Repub votes & filibusters.

 

[Dot Com]

Health insurance.....any insurance.....is pure socialism. Except it's done by a corporation with shareholders instead of a central government.

Socialism is a form of government and leverages the coercive power of the compulsive state. Private insurance, corporate or otherwise, is a voluntary agreement and not coercive (unless we get into the bastardization of insurance created by ACA, which IS coercive).

having Americans be "one illness away from bankruptcy" is better in your opinion?

Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies

 

[Listening]

Health insurance.....any insurance.....is pure socialism. Except it's done by a corporation with shareholders instead of a central government.

Socialism is a form of government and leverages the coercive power of the compulsive state. Private insurance, corporate or otherwise, is a voluntary agreement and not coercive (unless we get into the bastardization of insurance created by ACA, which IS coercive).

having Americans be "one illness away from bankruptcy" is better in your opinion?

Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies

Most Americans are not anywhere close. You'd figure that we'd have seen a rush of them given the pathetic state of our economy (thanks to our Affirmative Action Failure for a President). Not so.

Why don't you put down you list of Ed Shultz/DailyKos farting points and try to sound intelligent ?