Zone1 There is no Salvation Outside the Catholic Faith

[forkintheroad7]

The Catholic Church (no longer extant in the Vatican) has taught this (extra ecclessiam nulla salus [Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation]) for 20+ centuries.

A priest named Father Feeney persisted in teaching this dogma in the 40s and 50s.

Vatican staff defied him and threatened him, finally "excommunicating him" but it was not a real excommunication for a plethora of reasons...

See this site for details

Modernists use Anti-Feeney Pseudo-Holy Office Letter to ‘justify’ Francis’ latest heresy

MHFM: It’s interesting that certain modernist defenders of the Whore of Babylon (i.e. the Vatican II Sect) are citing the pseudo-Holy Office letter, called Suprema Haec Sacra (dated Aug. 8, 1949), written against Fr. Feeney, [...]

vaticancatholic.com

Another interesting (and at times accidentally comical-at least to me)
video on heresy

Christian Wagner’s Lies, Contradictions & Errors Exposed

This video contains many important quotes and facts that are relevant to many aspects of the current controversies. 0:00 Intro0:54 Wagner Falsifies Theological History On Loss Of Office2:12 Wagner’s Lies About Florence, Torquemada & Salvation3:31 He Says You Must Interpret Councils According To...

endtimes.video

 

[toobfreak]

There is no Salvation Outside the Catholic Faith​

I can see that. For one thing, not all religions believe in the need for salvation. The Catholic faith is one of them, so naturally, it stands to reason that if you think you need salvation, then you probably also want to be a Catholic.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I can see that. For one thing, not all religions believe in the need for salvation. The Catholic faith is one of them, so naturally, it stands to reason that if you think you need salvation, then you probably also want to be a Catholic.

OK, I get some of this post. What do you mean by saying "I can see that"?

See what, exactly?

Also, I don't believe I've ever encountered a religion that didn't believe in the necessity of being saved from your sins, but I haven't studied ALL religions. Once I found the most logical and consistent one, the one founded by Jesus Christ, I was not interested in others (to speak of).

 

[Woodznutz]

Jesus Christ will decide who is saved, or not.

 

[toobfreak]

OK, I get some of this post. What do you mean by saying "I can see that"? See what, exactly?

Your point?

Also, I don't believe I've ever encountered a religion that didn't believe in the necessity of being saved from your sins, but I haven't studied ALL religions.

To my mind, only western theology has "sin." Where is it in Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism, Hinduism, and Vedic Science?

Also, to my mind, the best definition of sin is being apart from God. And being apart from God is having an ego identity which separates you from God.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Your point?


To my mind, only western theology has "sin." Where is it in Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism, Hinduism, and Vedic Science?

Also, to my mind, the best definition of sin is being apart from God. And being apart from God is having an ego identity which separates you from God.

No, sin is what separates you from God. I know this from experience. Many years ago, I committed a sin that is serious to God. I went to confession (then in the novus ordo Church since I didn't know at that time of the more truly Catholic Churches...). The n.o. priest was great as a confessor, but I did not feel entirely free of this sin, the consequences in my soul. I had to do some expiation, which is atoning for that sin, which involves praying (esp the rosary) and fasting and other acts of Penance.

See St Luke 3:13 where Jesus says "Unless you do penance, you will all perish [in Hell]"

The thing is, only a few Bibles like the Douay Rheims mention Penance. The others say Unless you repent. Yes, repentance comes first but Jesus says unless you do penance, you will end up in Hell..

The DR Bible is the most reliable one on Earth

 

[shockedcanadian]

The Catholic Church (no longer extant in the Vatican) has taught this (extra ecclessiam nulla salus [Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation]) for 20+ centuries.

A priest named Father Feeney persisted in teaching this dogma in the 40s and 50s.

Vatican staff defied him and threatened him, finally "excommunicating him" but it was not a real excommunication for a plethora of reasons...

See this site for details

Modernists use Anti-Feeney Pseudo-Holy Office Letter to ‘justify’ Francis’ latest heresy

MHFM: It’s interesting that certain modernist defenders of the Whore of Babylon (i.e. the Vatican II Sect) are citing the pseudo-Holy Office letter, called Suprema Haec Sacra (dated Aug. 8, 1949), written against Fr. Feeney, [...]

vaticancatholic.com

Another interesting (and at times accidentally comical-at least to me)
video on heresy

Christian Wagner’s Lies, Contradictions & Errors Exposed

This video contains many important quotes and facts that are relevant to many aspects of the current controversies. 0:00 Intro0:54 Wagner Falsifies Theological History On Loss Of Office2:12 Wagner’s Lies About Florence, Torquemada & Salvation3:31 He Says You Must Interpret Councils According To...

endtimes.video

Huh. Thanks for making the decision for G-d.

I guess in the end we will all find out eh?

 

[forkintheroad7]

Huh. Thanks for making the decision for G-d.

I guess in the end we will all find out eh?

Yes, and by that time it will be too late for many.

Jesus said FEW find the narrow way to Heaven.

Catholicism is the most narrow pathway known to man... which is why most men reject it. Everyone wants to have a great earthly life with no requirement for obeying God's laws...

 

[forkintheroad7]

Jesus Christ will decide who is saved, or not.

uh... we DO have a say in the matter...

 

[toobfreak]

No, sin is what separates you from God.

Same difference. You cannot be one with God and yet still commit sin.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Yes, and by that time it will be too late for many.

Jesus said FEW find the narrow way to Heaven.

Catholicism is the most narrow pathway known to man... which is why most men reject it. Everyone wants to have a great earthly life with no requirement for obeying God's laws...

I have studied multiple religions, coupled with the "signs" I've received over my life. Perhaps Jesus was the evolution of Judaism, who knows?

For me, the Torah and the light of Israel is the path that H@shem chose for me. It's that simple.

I hope everyone finds peace in their life. At the very least, we must ACT and not THINK good deeds. I've concluded that without the efforts of Jews post-WWII, many Western nations would be worse off today, socially still stick in the 1950s or something.

Anyone of faith who at least acts out the positive are my friend, be they hindu, buddhish, muslim, christian, jew or gentile.

 

[Woodznutz]

Jesus said FEW find the narrow way to Heaven.

He said that before his death, the coming of the Holy Spirit, and the greater calling by God into the church. It wasn't meant for "all time".

 

[Woodznutz]

uh... we DO have a say in the matter...

You have input but no final say.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I have studied multiple religions, coupled with the "signs" I've received over my life. Perhaps Jesus was the evolution of Judaism, who knows?

For me, the Torah and the light of Israel is the path that H@shem chose for me. It's that simple.

I hope everyone finds peace in their life. At the very least, we must ACT and not THINK good deeds. I've concluded that without the efforts of Jews post-WWII, many Western nations would be worse off today, socially still stick in the 1950s or something.

Anyone of faith who at least acts out the positive are my friend, be they hindu, buddhish, muslim, christian, jew or gentile.

Some things seem positive but are not, long-term (and etc)

Jesus said there is no salvation outside of Him, therefore there is no salvation outside HIS Church

and He only founded ONE.

40,000 different "Christian" denominations all teaching different beliefs... Every logical person knows that that kind of chaos is NOT from God, but from man. . and man's mortal enemy

 

[forkintheroad7]

You have input but no final say.

I'm sorry you think I am condemning people just because I cite what the Church teaches...

As per usual, there is little understanding on the forums--if any

Oh, maybe you meant YOU

in a generic way... I think I get it...

 

[forkintheroad7]

He said that before his death, the coming of the Holy Spirit, and the greater calling by God into the church. It wasn't meant for "all time".

says who?

I will true Jesus and His Church

 

[shockedcanadian]

Some things seem positive but are not, long-term (and etc)

Jesus said there is no salvation outside of Him, therefore there is no salvation outside HIS Church

and He only founded ONE.

40,000 different "Christian" denominations all teaching different beliefs... Every logical person knows that that kind of chaos is NOT from God, but from man. . and man's mortal enemy

If Jesus were the Mashiach, he wouldn't have needed to rise again as far as I am concerned.

Maybe I am wrong time will tell. True followers of Judaism follow most of Jesus teaching anyways as Jesus was a Jew. I don't believe he was the Messiah though.

 

[Woodznutz]

says who?

I will true Jesus and His Church

Context is everything.

 

[DennisPTate]

The Catholic Church (no longer extant in the Vatican) has taught this (extra ecclessiam nulla salus [Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation]) for 20+ centuries.

A priest named Father Feeney persisted in teaching this dogma in the 40s and 50s.

Vatican staff defied him and threatened him, finally "excommunicating him" but it was not a real excommunication for a plethora of reasons...

See this site for details

Modernists use Anti-Feeney Pseudo-Holy Office Letter to ‘justify’ Francis’ latest heresy

MHFM: It’s interesting that certain modernist defenders of the Whore of Babylon (i.e. the Vatican II Sect) are citing the pseudo-Holy Office letter, called Suprema Haec Sacra (dated Aug. 8, 1949), written against Fr. Feeney, [...]

vaticancatholic.com

Another interesting (and at times accidentally comical-at least to me)
video on heresy

Christian Wagner’s Lies, Contradictions & Errors Exposed

This video contains many important quotes and facts that are relevant to many aspects of the current controversies. 0:00 Intro0:54 Wagner Falsifies Theological History On Loss Of Office2:12 Wagner’s Lies About Florence, Torquemada & Salvation3:31 He Says You Must Interpret Councils According To...

endtimes.video

I personally have looked into the option of becoming a Roman Catholic....
I wondered about that after 1990 when I began to research near death experience accounts that reminded me of the Roman Catholic idea of "Purgatory."

My attempts to fit in with the Roman Catholic church ran into a snag when I faced the question of "Transsubstantiation", [pardon my spelling]?

I actually, in my own mind even got into the implications of String Theory, near death experience accounts, parapsychological research, and Multiverse Theory, in my attempts to explain that doctrine but........ I ended up in the place where I have to believe that an individual priest is free to be in a place of disbelief, [partly due to the fact that all of the disciples fell into disbelief, to at least some degree, during the time when Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was training them face to face]!

 

[DennisPTate]

If Jesus were the Mashiach, he wouldn't have needed to rise again as far as I am concerned.

Maybe I am wrong time will tell. True followers of Judaism follow most of Jesus teaching anyways as Jesus was a Jew. I don't believe he was the Messiah though.

In my opinion, near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava had a seven minute brush with death in 2001 that reminds me of Matthew chapter four. Rabbi Alon Anava's teachings on down to earth and basic Judaism since his brush with death remind me greatly of Matthew chapter five, six and seven, [The Sermon on the Mount]. In my opinion many Messianic Jewish or Messianic Gentile thinkers like myself, may soon begin to wonder if Rabbi Alon Anava might be the fulfillment of Zechariah chapter three?

That connection is kind of heavy but he did an amazing job of setting the stage for that idea by his recent lecture in Las Vegas.


I am having difficulty finding that specific lecture but here is his channel. Maybe some of you are a lot better with a search engine than I am.

Rabbi Alon Anava

Rabbi Alon Anava shares his near-death experience in depth. A must see video if you are interested in life after death. After his clinical death, Alon experienced a reality that is both frightening and hopeful. Alon was truly given a second chance. See what Alon has done with a second chance...

www.youtube.com

Here is an article that I believe could cause many Messianic Jews or Messianic Gentiles like myself, to begin to listen and listen and listen to Rabbi Alon Anava.

As a faithful shepherd he already cares so much about his people that he volunteered to suffer all kinds of agonies to assure that not a single Jew of all times will be lost.20

Mashiach shall meditate on the Torah21 and be preoccupied with mitzvot. He shall teach all the Jewish people and instruct them in the way of G‑d. He will prevail upon Israel to follow and observe the Torah, repair its breaches, and fight the battles of G‑d.22

Mashiach will reveal altogether new insights, making manifest the hidden mysteries of the Torah,23 to the point that “all the Torah learned in the present world will be vain compared to the Torah of Mashiach.”24

Though Mashiach comes first and foremost to Israel, all the nations will recognize his wisdom and sublimity and submit to his rule.25 He will guide and instruct them as well.26

There is no need for Mashiach to perform signs and wonders to prove himself.27 Nonetheless, he will do so.28

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101679/jewish/The-Personality-of-Mashiach.htm

Rabbi Alon Anava can identify with the word "crushed" that is in Isaiah chapter fifty three at a level that is far beyond the ordinary. I believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in His resurrected body has taken Rabbi Alon Anava by the right hand and is guiding him minute by minute but [Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is too intelligent and wise to clearly reveal Himself to Rabbi Alon Anava, because if He did reveal Himself, Rabbi Alon Anava would be unable to perform the service for all ten million Israelis that he is doing[!

Zone1 Thread 'Does Rabbi Alon Anava also have a "Cyrus" calling on his life?'

Nov 14, 2025

Although I am technically a Gentile I have listened to near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava on youtube, over and over and over again as he gave the description of his first near death experience in many different synagogues.

I personally feel that Rabbi Alon Anava had a brush with death that can remind a Messianic Gentile like myself with Matthew chapter four, and his teachings since his 2001 brush with death remind me of very down to earth basic Judaism such as was given in Matthew chapter five, six and seven.

Rabbi Alon Anava obviously knew about html coding and he was shown that...

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