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[forkintheroad7]

Novus Ordo Watch: Unmasking the Modernist Vatican II Church

novusordowatch.org

Also, for those interested in how the stories about the Church in modern times relate to stories on other modern issues like Deportations and Walls, there is an article at that site ( which I am still in the process of reading).

I do know that writers at novus ordo watch have for some time been pointing out the hypocrisy of
francis having walls and massive security around HIS domain, yet criticize Trump (and the 77 million who voted for him) for his deportation policies.

I guess the Vatican folks don't even want the violent ones removed? I don't know w/ certainty about that but it wouldn't surprise me.

Me? I want all of them deported.

 

[Rambunctious]

Christianity didn't begin until after the death of Jesus when his followers started spreading his teachings and proclaiming him as the risen Messiah...

 

[forkintheroad7]

Christianity didn't begin until after the death of Jesus when his followers started spreading his teachings and proclaiming him as the risen Messiah...

No, it began with Christ, specifically at His Resurrection, although maybe really it was at the time the Holy Spirit descended upon the 12 and Mary in the upper room after Jesus ascended..

Either way, it was in the very beginning of history (when the whole world went back to zero... if you know what I mean.. The first century became the one after Christ ascended [BC to AD])

 

[Rambunctious]

No, it began with Christ, specifically at His Resurrection, although maybe at the time the Holy Spirit descended upon the 12 and Mary in the upper room after Jesus ascended..

Either way, it was in the very beginning of history (when the whole world went back to zero... if you know what I mean.. The first century became the one after Christ ascended)

His resurrection came after he died on the cross... obviously... Christianity began after he rose back up to heaven and his disciples went out to spread his word...

 

[forkintheroad7]

His resurrection came after he died on the cross... obviously... Christianity began after he rose back up to heaven and his disciples went out to spread his word...

Well, that's about what I said. I won't quabble about details.

 

[Rambunctious]

Well, that's about what I said. I won't quabble about details.

I think we both said the same thing just different words...

 

[forkintheroad7]

I think we both said the same thing just different words...

Also, I am not sure what the True Church teaches on this. But I tend to think the CC says the Church began with the Holy Spirit descending from Heaven on the 12 and Mary in the upper room. In any case, Christ founded a Church on Earth and

it seems that it would just stand to reason it might be a good idea to be in that Church.. and there is, of course, only ONE Church

 

[forkintheroad7]

From novus ordo site (emphasis mine):


Certainly, any true Pope, any genuine Vicar of Christ, has the right to speak on political matters, insofar as these pertain to Faith and morals (see Fr. John Cronin on the binding force of papal teaching).

The problem with Francis is, first of all, that he is not a true Pope; and secondly, that his political interventions tend to be selective and one-sided, and people are noticing.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Another quote (this one by Clergyman Vigano)


In the parable of the Good Samaritan, the man who is robbed by bandits and left for dead could today be an American robbed by an illegal immigrant, or a veteran beaten by a gang of teenagers. Bergoglio does not stop to help him, because he is too busy obeying his masters.

The one who stops to treat him, who takes him to the inn at his own expense (and not with taxpayer money), is not a Jesuit NGO or... USAID, but rather the Samaritan [true Catholic?] whom the new doctors of the Law consider a heretic, and who today wears a red hat with the writing MAGA.

 

[BreezeWood]

Christianity didn't begin until after the death of Jesus when his followers started spreading his teachings and proclaiming him as the risen Messiah...

the crucifiers seized the opportunity to change the 1st century events into their liking than the reason for its conclusion, liberation theology, self determination.

the reason jesus was murdered to prevent them from contradicting the murders intentions.

 

[ninja007]

 

[ninja007]

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?


31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

 

[Rigby5]

No, it began with Christ, specifically at His Resurrection, although maybe really it was at the time the Holy Spirit descended upon the 12 and Mary in the upper room after Jesus ascended..

Either way, it was in the very beginning of history (when the whole world went back to zero... if you know what I mean.. The first century became the one after Christ ascended [BC to AD])

Wrong.
Christianity did not really start until the Byzantine Empire needed a means of pacifying large groups of people, around 300 AD.
That is why there really is no documentation that Jesus even existed, much less was crucified or resurrected.

 

[ninja007]

 

[Carl in Michigan]

it seems that it would just stand to reason it might be a good idea to be in that Church.. and there is, of course, only ONE Church

You still follow the false belief that the Church is a manmade organization.

 

[Woodznutz]

The fullness of Christianity began with the Reformation.

 

[Woodznutz]

Also, I am not sure what the True Church teaches on this. But I tend to think the CC says the Church began with the Holy Spirit descending from Heaven on the 12 and Mary in the upper room. In any case, Christ founded a Church on Earth and

There were 120 people in the upper room, including Mary, the siblings of Jesus, other women and believers. Mary would have been counted among God's 'handmaidens'.

 

[theHawk]

His resurrection came after he died on the cross... obviously... Christianity began after he rose back up to heaven and his disciples went out to spread his word...

Wrong. “Christianity”, the belief in a Messiah that would defeat Satan and death started with Adam and Eve in Genesis.

 

[Rambunctious]

Wrong. “Christianity”, the belief in a Messiah that would defeat Satan and death started with Adam and Eve in Genesis.

Wait a second


Christianity came about with Christ... Jesus Christ was not alive on earth when Adam and Eve were... the concept of a higher power began from the start but it was not Christ-ianity.....

 

[theHawk]

Wait a second


Christianity came about with Christ... Jesus Christ was not alive on earth when Adam and Eve were... the concept of a higher power began from the start but it was not Christ-ianity.....

The Holy Trinity did exist then. The Angel of the Lord appears several times in the OT. It is the Son before he was born incarnate in the flesh. The concept of the savior is at the start. Remember, He is the Alpha and the Omega.

The point is, the ancient people (even before they were called “Israelites”) believed such a savior would come.