Zone1 CATHOLICS should listen to Mary

[Hafar1014]

We have read that often enough now.
and it doesnt make it true

I saw it when I worked for the church. It is 100% true

 

[forkintheroad7]

Pray to whoever or whatever you choose. Just don't try to force others to share your beliefs.

That's baloney. No one can force anyone to believe a damn thing unless he or she chooses to.

It's just a lib talking point to get people to despise Christians (or alleged Christians)

 

[Hafar1014]

That's baloney. No one can force anyone to believe a damn thing unless he or she chooses to.

It's just a lib talking point to get people to despise Christians (or alleged Christians)

Worship Jesus or youre going to hell

 

[BULLDOG]

That's baloney. No one can force anyone to believe a damn thing unless he or she chooses to.

It's just a lib talking point to get people to despise Christians (or alleged Christians)

Perhaps I worded that poorly. Of course we all believe what we believe and nobody can force anyone to change their beliefs. I should have said don't try to force behavior to match your religious beliefs.

 

[Hafar1014]

Perhaps I worded that poorly. Of course we all believe what we believe and nobody can force anyone to change their beliefs. I should have said don't try to force behavior to match your religious beliefs.

Thats not the point because at one time Christians did force belief. Remember the Spanish Inquisition.

 

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Deification of Mary and Worship of Isis​

The deification of Mary and the worship of Isis in ancient Rome are linked through significant religious and cultural transitions, particularly during the fourth century as Christianity spread throughout the Roman Empire. The veneration of Isis, a powerful mother goddess from Egypt, was deeply embedded in Roman religious life, with her cult offering a model of personal devotion and tangible connection to the divine through statues, rituals, and temples. As Christianity gained prominence, especially after Emperor Constantine's conversion, the Church assimilated elements of existing pagan practices, including the imagery and devotional functions of Isis, to facilitate the conversion of Roman society. This process is exemplified by the transformation of Isis, often depicted as a nurturing mother holding her son Horus, into the Virgin Mary, who was similarly portrayed as a mother cradling the infant Jesus, a visual and symbolic continuity that eased the transition for converts.

• The cult of Isis was a major mystery religion in the Roman Empire, with its central temple, the Isæum Campense in Rome, serving as a sacred space where devotees experienced direct communion with the goddess, who was revered as the "Mother of All Things in the Universe".
• Early Christian worship, initially private and persecuted, gradually adopted public forms after Constantine's edict, mirroring the public nature of Isis worship, and the Virgin Mary began to be depicted in prominent religious art and architecture.
• The title "Theotokos" (Birthgiver of God), officially adopted at the Council of Ephesus in 431 CE, directly parallels Isis’s title "Mut Netjer" (Mother of God), suggesting a deliberate theological and iconographic continuity that helped integrate the new Christian devotion into the existing religious framework.
• The physical conversion of statues of Isis into icons of the Virgin Mary, or the adaptation of Isis’s iconography for Mary, represents a tangible example of how pagan devotional objects were repurposed within Christianity, blurring the lines between old and new religious identities.
• The worship of Isis persisted in Egypt until the closure of the Temple of Isis at Philae by Emperor Justinian in 535–537 CE, marking the symbolic end of the ancient Egyptian religion, while the veneration of Mary continued to grow and become central to Christian devotion.

AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.

columbia.edu
Isis and the Virgin Mary: A Pagan Conversion.

digitalcommons.providence.edu
The Power of Mothers: A Comparison of the Egyptian Goddess Isis and Virgin Mary During the Roman Empire Through Literature and Art

anglicanism.org
A Marian Odyssey - Anglicanism.org

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[BULLDOG]

Thats not the point because at one time Christians did force belief. Remember the Spanish Inquisition.

I wasn't around for that, but it was still wrong.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Pray to whoever or whatever you choose. Just don't try to force others to share your beliefs.

If someone was drowning, would you share your belief that the lifeline you tossed him would save his life?

 

[The Irish Ram]

while the veneration of Mary continued to grow and become central to Christian devotion.

And therein lies the problem...

 

[Hafar1014]

If someone was drowning, would you share your belief that the lifeline you tossed him would save his life?

The analogy fails because the person doesn't need your lifeline. He can swim on his own

 

[The Irish Ram]

The analogy fails because the person doesn't need your lifeline. He can swim on his own

There is a difference between swimming and drowning.
Christ is our lifeline...

 

[BULLDOG]

If someone was drowning, would you share your belief that the lifeline you tossed him would save his life?

A lifeline is a physical thing that most are familiar with. Of course they would accept it if it was the only viable option. However, If I told them to just let go of the log they were clinging to because a miracle would whisk them up out of the water as soon as they let go, it might be a little harder to convince them.

 

[Hafar1014]

There is a difference between swimming and drowning.
Christ is our lifeline...

Thats your interpretation which fails. The assumption that one doesn't believe as you doesnt mean they dont have their own faith with no need of yours. Its really quite arrogant to think your faith is superior

 

[The Irish Ram]

How do you know it wasn't God that sent them the log? He doesn't say we won't have troubles, He said He'd get us through them...

 

[The Irish Ram]

Thats your interpretation which fails. The assumption that one doesn't believe as you doesnt mean they dont have their own faith with no need of yours. Its really quite arrogant to think your faith is superior

My faith isn't superior. My Savior, Christ, is superior no matter what religion humans adopt. He doesn't lose His magnificence just because some choose to follow Buddha or Allah or Moses. Out of all the deities that died, only one came back. That would be the Jewish Rabbi, Jesus.

 

[Hafar1014]

My faith isn't superior. My Savior, Christ, is superior no matter what religion humans adopt. He doesn't lose His magnificence just because some choose to follow Buddha or Allah or Moses. Out of all the deities that died, only one came back. That would be the Jewish Rabbi, Jesus.

So why arent you Jewish. You would have to pass the intelligence test. Never mind

 

[BULLDOG]

How do you know it wasn't God that sent them the log? He doesn't say we won't have troubles, He said He'd get us through them...

That's an absurd attempt to sound less goofy. It rates right up there with "pray harder"

 

[The Irish Ram]

So why arent you Jewish

Well, I am smart enough to know that if I saw a man die on a cross and 3 days later, saw that man cooking breakfast for his friends, that is the one I should follow.
Why on God's earth would I put myself under Jewish law? Where there is no law, there is no condemnation.

 

[Hafar1014]

Well, I am smart enough to know that if I saw a man die on a cross and 3 days later, saw that man cooking breakfast for his apostles, that is the one I should follow.
Why on God's earth would I put myself under Jewish law? Where there is no law, there is no condemnation.

No one saw that. Its a very common myth called the hero story identified by Joseph Campbell
Joe Campbell, or Joseph Campbell, was a famous mythologist known for his theory of the Monomyth or "Hero's Journey," detailed in his book "The Hero with a Thousand Faces" (1949), which outlines a universal narrative pattern found in myths worldwide: a hero leaves the ordinary world, undergoes trials, achieves a victory, and returns transformed, a concept influencing writers, filmmakers (like George Lucas), and understanding of human psychology. His work, expanded in the PBS series "The Power of Myth," suggests heroes embody ideals and that mythology helps us "follow your bliss" and find meaning.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I trust Paul more than Campbell. Paul was there:
1 Cor. 15:6 After that he appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, but some have fallen asleep.

Campbell didn't show up until the 20th century. Since you give credit to his book, do you think that Moses was also a myth?