theists, please give us the creation of man theory

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Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?
I never heard that one before from you. :lol:
You STILL have no answer. :biggrin:
Saying I have no answer doesn't make it true.
You think deformed and retarded babies are a good thing. That's even worse than having no answer.
No. I think good comes from everything. You think handicapped babies are a bad thing.
Deformed, handicapped babies that live a short life in constant, torturing pain are not a good thing, you think they are.
You think they are bad thing. They make you uncomfortable. Would you like to place your hand over their mouths and snuff out their lives so you won't have to feel uncomfortable?
I want to know why god makes them.
No. You want to snuff out their lives because they make you uncomfortable. No wonder you can't see how anyone can love them.
 
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When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?
When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control
It happened way before that. Or do you have a link that shows a specific date that this started? No? Then please try again.
What is your point?

God created life

would you prefer Nothingness?

never to have existed?
you can't even prove there is a god!!!
kind of silly/idiotic/etc of god making deformed people/etc
 

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The Genesis tale of creation relies on supernatural intervention, so yes, one or more supernatural gods creating things requires supernaturalism.
Please pinpoint a specific place that you are interpreting as "supernatural intervention".
The entirety of the Genesis account speaks to supernaturalism, particularly when the existence of creator Gods is based on supernaturalism, ie, outside of the natural, rational world. I have yet to see a convincing argument as to how allowing for supernatural creation really advances our understanding of anything. Without a plausible framework to show us how we are to know the reality of Bibles and such without endless interpretation, or understanding the “intent” of the book that describes such supernatural creation, subjective interpretation is futile.
No. It doesn't. It speaks to the origin of existence. Which science says it got right.

Orthodox Jews like nothing better to state the bible is correct, they are in the area due to the bible, and they get lots of money off of Evangelical Christians.
He's not the only one who believes it. ex nihilo creatio is the belief of the Catholic Church too.
The RCC believes in evolution as well as God. The BB has nothing to do with religion.
What do you think ex nihilo creatio is, dummy?
Yes they mean the BB is God almighty. He is behind the BB.
No, the BB is not God almighty. The BB is proof that God created the universe from nothing.
Well they think its God almighty.
.
 
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could a theist please give us a concise theory of creation of man....in about 10 sentences
IF you have one
thank you
G=Given
Q=Question

G: The Bible starts by presenting five givens: Water, Land (which was covered by water), Wind, Darkness, Intelligence.
Q: Given the above how was light created?

G: It now appears that light covers everything at all times.
Q: How long did it take before part of the time it was light, and part of the time it was dark?

G: The atmosphere was water.
Q: How long does it take to clear an atmosphere of water?

G: The planet was covered with water.
Q: How long does it take for land to appear?

G: Vegetation began to appear.
Q: What is the first form of vegetation? How long does it take for this to begin taking alternate shapes and grow a tree?

G: It is now the sun and the moon take shape, and stars appear.
Q: What was giving light before our sun and moon?

G: Life began in the water.
Q: What was this first form of life, and how did it multiply to bring forth so many forms? How long did this take.

G: Life began on land in many various forms.
Q: Did this life begin in the sea and move onto land, or did the land, like the sea, begin producing its own life? How long did it take?

G: We are told mankind came from the earth and had the image and likeness of the Creator, who had words and the ability to create.
Q: How does this ability come into being?

Science should be able to provide answers to all of these questions, as well as a theory as to how matter (land) and liquid (water) and intelligence all came into being. If these three things always existed, then the first thing to be an actual creation is light. How is light created from water/liquid? Perhaps it is best not to get the cart before the horse in asking how mankind was created. Let's start with how light was created.
so, you don't have a theory on the creation of man
 

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The Genesis tale of creation relies on supernatural intervention, so yes, one or more supernatural gods creating things requires supernaturalism.
Please pinpoint a specific place that you are interpreting as "supernatural intervention".
The entirety of the Genesis account speaks to supernaturalism, particularly when the existence of creator Gods is based on supernaturalism, ie, outside of the natural, rational world. I have yet to see a convincing argument as to how allowing for supernatural creation really advances our understanding of anything. Without a plausible framework to show us how we are to know the reality of Bibles and such without endless interpretation, or understanding the “intent” of the book that describes such supernatural creation, subjective interpretation is futile.
No. It doesn't. It speaks to the origin of existence. Which science says it got right.

Orthodox Jews like nothing better to state the bible is correct, they are in the area due to the bible, and they get lots of money off of Evangelical Christians.
He's not the only one who believes it. ex nihilo creatio is the belief of the Catholic Church too.
The RCC believes in evolution as well as God. The BB has nothing to do with religion.
What do you think ex nihilo creatio is, dummy?
Yes they mean the BB is God almighty. He is behind the BB.
No, the BB is not God almighty. The BB is proof that God created the universe from nothing.
Well they think its God almighty.
.
Why wouldn't God be almighty?
 

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Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact? A simple request for those allegedly all 'scientific n stuff'. Otherwise you trolls have nothing to say except nonsense. It must suck that Genesis has as much credibility as your weird improbable nonsense, and in fact agrees with such 'science' as the Big bang Theory and the 'Adam' allegory is more scientifically feasible than dumbass claims that humans 'evolved' over time, or just spontaneously popped up by the hundreds all at once, fully adult and capable of feeding themselves and wandering around the planet, depending on which silly handwave one chooses to adopt today.
THAT'S your theory??
the point is, theists DON'T have a theory--really...it's just ''god did it'''
I understand evolution better than you do.
hahahahahaha
 
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Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact? A simple request for those allegedly all 'scientific n stuff'. Otherwise you trolls have nothing to say except nonsense. It must suck that Genesis has as much credibility as your weird improbable nonsense, and in fact agrees with such 'science' as the Big bang Theory and the 'Adam' allegory is more scientifically feasible than dumbass claims that humans 'evolved' over time, or just spontaneously popped up by the hundreds all at once, fully adult and capable of feeding themselves and wandering around the planet, depending on which silly handwave one chooses to adopt today.
THAT'S your theory??
the point is, theists DON'T have a theory--really...it's just ''god did it'''
I understand evolution better than you do.
hahahahahaha
hahahhahahahahaha
ok
but the creationists' theory is ''god did it'' = ????hahahhahahaha
 

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Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact? A simple request for those allegedly all 'scientific n stuff'. Otherwise you trolls have nothing to say except nonsense. It must suck that Genesis has as much credibility as your weird improbable nonsense, and in fact agrees with such 'science' as the Big bang Theory and the 'Adam' allegory is more scientifically feasible than dumbass claims that humans 'evolved' over time, or just spontaneously popped up by the hundreds all at once, fully adult and capable of feeding themselves and wandering around the planet, depending on which silly handwave one chooses to adopt today.
THAT'S your theory??
the point is, theists DON'T have a theory--really...it's just ''god did it'''
I understand evolution better than you do.
hahahahahaha
hahahhahahahahaha
ok
but the creationists' theory is ''god did it'' = ????hahahhahahaha
You think you are actually alive.
hahahhahahahahaha
 
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Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact? A simple request for those allegedly all 'scientific n stuff'. Otherwise you trolls have nothing to say except nonsense. It must suck that Genesis has as much credibility as your weird improbable nonsense, and in fact agrees with such 'science' as the Big bang Theory and the 'Adam' allegory is more scientifically feasible than dumbass claims that humans 'evolved' over time, or just spontaneously popped up by the hundreds all at once, fully adult and capable of feeding themselves and wandering around the planet, depending on which silly handwave one chooses to adopt today.
THAT'S your theory??
the point is, theists DON'T have a theory--really...it's just ''god did it'''
I understand evolution better than you do.
hahahahahaha
hahahhahahahahaha
ok
but the creationists' theory is ''god did it'' = ????hahahhahahaha
You think you are actually alive.
hahahhahahaha
god did it---wooooooooohoooooo..what a theory
 

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Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact? A simple request for those allegedly all 'scientific n stuff'. Otherwise you trolls have nothing to say except nonsense. It must suck that Genesis has as much credibility as your weird improbable nonsense, and in fact agrees with such 'science' as the Big bang Theory and the 'Adam' allegory is more scientifically feasible than dumbass claims that humans 'evolved' over time, or just spontaneously popped up by the hundreds all at once, fully adult and capable of feeding themselves and wandering around the planet, depending on which silly handwave one chooses to adopt today.
THAT'S your theory??
the point is, theists DON'T have a theory--really...it's just ''god did it'''
I understand evolution better than you do.
hahahahahaha
hahahhahahahahaha
ok
but the creationists' theory is ''god did it'' = ????hahahhahahaha
You think you are actually alive.
hahahhahahaha
god did it---wooooooooohoooooo..what a theory
you pretend you were a marine---wooooooooohoooooo..what a story
 
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When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?
When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control
It happened way before that. Or do you have a link that shows a specific date that this started? No? Then please try again.
What is your point?

God created life

would you prefer Nothingness?

never to have existed?
The point is that your answer was simply made up on the spot. Which shows that what theists don't know, they make up, like the bible. The authors had no concept of science and just wrote what they did understand, which was not much.
You could say exactly the same thing about evolution. It's all made up.
no---not the same thing at all.......evolution is a theory based on evidence
..creation just says ''god did it''
 
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Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact? A simple request for those allegedly all 'scientific n stuff'. Otherwise you trolls have nothing to say except nonsense. It must suck that Genesis has as much credibility as your weird improbable nonsense, and in fact agrees with such 'science' as the Big bang Theory and the 'Adam' allegory is more scientifically feasible than dumbass claims that humans 'evolved' over time, or just spontaneously popped up by the hundreds all at once, fully adult and capable of feeding themselves and wandering around the planet, depending on which silly handwave one chooses to adopt today.
THAT'S your theory??
the point is, theists DON'T have a theory--really...it's just ''god did it'''
I understand evolution better than you do.
hahahahahaha
hahahhahahahahaha
ok
but the creationists' theory is ''god did it'' = ????hahahhahahaha
You think you are actually alive.
hahahhahahaha
god did it---wooooooooohoooooo..what a theory
you pretend you were a marine---wooooooooohoooooo..what a story
hahahhahahaha---and you still don't have a theory !!
 

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When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?
When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control
It happened way before that. Or do you have a link that shows a specific date that this started? No? Then please try again.
What is your point?

God created life

would you prefer Nothingness?

never to have existed?
The point is that your answer was simply made up on the spot. Which shows that what theists don't know, they make up, like the bible. The authors had no concept of science and just wrote what they did understand, which was not much.
You could say exactly the same thing about evolution. It's all made up.
no---not the same thing at all.......evolution is a theory based on evidence
..creation just says ''god did it''
You pretend you understand science.
hahahhahahahahaha
 

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Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact? A simple request for those allegedly all 'scientific n stuff'. Otherwise you trolls have nothing to say except nonsense. It must suck that Genesis has as much credibility as your weird improbable nonsense, and in fact agrees with such 'science' as the Big bang Theory and the 'Adam' allegory is more scientifically feasible than dumbass claims that humans 'evolved' over time, or just spontaneously popped up by the hundreds all at once, fully adult and capable of feeding themselves and wandering around the planet, depending on which silly handwave one chooses to adopt today.
THAT'S your theory??
the point is, theists DON'T have a theory--really...it's just ''god did it'''
I understand evolution better than you do.
hahahahahaha
hahahhahahahahaha
ok
but the creationists' theory is ''god did it'' = ????hahahhahahaha
You think you are actually alive.
hahahhahahaha
god did it---wooooooooohoooooo..what a theory
you pretend you were a marine---wooooooooohoooooo..what a story
hahahhahahaha---and you still don't have a theory !!
hahahhahahaha---I have you jumping through my hoops.
 
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When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?
When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control
It happened way before that. Or do you have a link that shows a specific date that this started? No? Then please try again.
What is your point?

God created life

would you prefer Nothingness?

never to have existed?
The point is that your answer was simply made up on the spot. Which shows that what theists don't know, they make up, like the bible. The authors had no concept of science and just wrote what they did understand, which was not much.
You could say exactly the same thing about evolution. It's all made up.
no---not the same thing at all.......evolution is a theory based on evidence
..creation just says ''god did it''
You pretend you understand science.
hahahhahahahahaha
....better than BELIEVING fairytales made up by people thousands of years ago that didn't know shit = they were dumb= you must be dumb
hhahhahahahahahhahahah
 

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When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?
When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control
It happened way before that. Or do you have a link that shows a specific date that this started? No? Then please try again.
What is your point?

God created life

would you prefer Nothingness?

never to have existed?
The point is that your answer was simply made up on the spot. Which shows that what theists don't know, they make up, like the bible. The authors had no concept of science and just wrote what they did understand, which was not much.
You could say exactly the same thing about evolution. It's all made up.
no---not the same thing at all.......evolution is a theory based on evidence
..creation just says ''god did it''
You pretend you understand science.
hahahhahahahahaha
....better than BELIEVING fairytales made up by people thousands of years ago that didn't know shit = they were dumb= you must be dumb
hhahhahahahahahhahahah
You think they are fairy tales instead of how ancient man passed down history and knowledge.

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could a theist please give us a concise theory of creation of man....in about 10 sentences
IF you have one
thank you
Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.
 
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could a theist please give us a concise theory of creation of man....in about 10 sentences
IF you have one
thank you
Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.
god did it
 
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When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?
When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control
It happened way before that. Or do you have a link that shows a specific date that this started? No? Then please try again.
What is your point?

God created life

would you prefer Nothingness?

never to have existed?
The point is that your answer was simply made up on the spot. Which shows that what theists don't know, they make up, like the bible. The authors had no concept of science and just wrote what they did understand, which was not much.
You could say exactly the same thing about evolution. It's all made up.
no---not the same thing at all.......evolution is a theory based on evidence
..creation just says ''god did it''
You pretend you understand science.
hahahhahahahahaha
....better than BELIEVING fairytales made up by people thousands of years ago that didn't know shit = they were dumb= you must be dumb
hhahhahahahahahhahahah
You think they are fairy tales instead of how ancient man passed down history and knowledge.

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.....ancient man thought the world was flat and the Earth was the center of the Universe--so they didn't know shit
hahahahahahhaahhah
 

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could a theist please give us a concise theory of creation of man....in about 10 sentences
IF you have one
thank you
Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.
god did it
At the heart of this debate is whether or not the material world was created by spirit. If the material world were not created by spirit, then everything which has occurred since the beginning of space and time are products of the material world. Everything which is incorporeal proceeded from the corporeal. There is no middle ground. There is no other option. Either the material world was created by spirit or it wasn't. All other options will simplify to one of these two lowest common denominators which are mutually exclusive.

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