theists, please give us the creation of man theory

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Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact? A simple request for those allegedly all 'scientific n stuff'. Otherwise you trolls have nothing to say except nonsense. It must suck that Genesis has as much credibility as your weird improbable nonsense, and in fact agrees with such 'science' as the Big bang Theory and the 'Adam' allegory is more scientifically feasible than dumbass claims that humans 'evolved' over time, or just spontaneously popped up by the hundreds all at once, fully adult and capable of feeding themselves and wandering around the planet, depending on which silly handwave one chooses to adopt today.
THAT'S your theory??
the point is, theists DON'T have a theory--really...it's just ''god did it'''
I don't have a theory, and I'm not some pathetic sexual fetishist with some compulsion to bash Xians or a sociopath who can't grasp just why it's bad to murder 10's of millions of babies just for the crime of being 'inconvenient', when almost everyone in the first world knows what is 100% effective at preventing pregnancies. I sleep just fine not knowing either way. Judaism and its Christian sect have been a great positive in human history, while those who hate it an oppose it are loons and sickos for the most part, and of course they rely mass murders as their 'solution' to every social problem.

It's obvious 'evolution' is a load of bullshit, not 'science', and as a theory the Intelligent Design people have arguments that are in many cases better science than the 'evolutionists' make, which is also fine with me; I have no problem with teaching the ID arguments in schools if they're going to allow the 'evolution' rubbish and lies to be taught as 'facts' when they're not even close to 'facts', otherwise ban both of them and stop brainwashing kids; the schools are seriously screwing them up as it is. The only reason to peddle the 'evolution' nonsense is so they can peddle the political agendas re 'faggots are normal and trannies are too!' sickness, among other junk 'science'. Sociopaths particularly like the idea that 'economically useless people' should be starved to death or eliminated, and those asshole Xians stand in the way of 'economic reality', hence the sicko deviants, Marxists, and Libertarians all at least have common ground there in extermnating those assholes and their beliefs as well.
Totally awesome, dude.

I was hoping you could link us to the peer reviewed research data submitted by the fine folks at the Creation Research Society or those at the Disco’tute.

Shirley, the ID’iot creation ministries must have a wealth of data they can present to support magic and supernaturalism as opposed to the atheist evilutionist scientists and their bogus science and stuff.

Thanks,

Thanks, again.
Ah, another triggered deviant rants onward. lol
You scurried away.

I’n not surprised.
you haven't said anything, so what was there to run away from? Your babbling isn't impressive enough to 'scurry' anybod away, just repetitively boring, since you can't produce any chain of evidence to back your silly junk.
I gave you links to support my comments. Everything is referenced with footnotes.

On the other hand, you have supplied nothing but the whining of a petulant child whose feelings are hurt.
 

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Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number..I don't see that happening without a hell of a lot of incest going on..
Not really; there were other people around, and even among Noah's beasts there are two versions of the numbers of each taken on the Ark, though the numbers are symbolic, and from statistical studies we know there should be at least a few hundred pairs of mammals to generate growth of a species, and that applies to tribes of peoples as well. And forget that whole 'Out of Africa' theory; it's on its way out and new evidence is casting doubt on it. In any case, the early author of Genesis weren't interested in empirical research, yet got close to many of the theories proposed today anyway.
Well, it is interesting that Noah’s pleasure cruise ended with Noah and his immediate family left to repopulate the planet. That would suggest familial and incestuous relations.

That’s just a little creepy but hey, “The Will of the Gods”.
 

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At the heart of this debate is whether or not the material world was created by spirit. If the material world were not created by spirit, then everything which has occurred since the beginning of space and time are products of the material world. Everything which is incorporeal proceeded from the corporeal. There is no middle ground. There is no other option. Either the material world was created by spirit or it wasn't. All other options will simplify to one of these two lowest common denominators which are mutually exclusive.

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That and pagans trying to normalize assorted sicko deviant behaviors and fetishes. Otherwise why would they be sniveling about a book they dismiss in the first place? It's about culturekampf, not 'science'.

Jerry Falwell said Bad Stuff about sexual deviants and kiddie rapers, so Da Evul Xians must be destroyed and the school children made more receptive to being raped by faggots. Faggots like children a lot, and it hurts their feelings when the kids reject their 'attentions'. Other sociopaths feel their pain.
 

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At the heart of this debate is whether or not the material world was created by spirit. If the material world were not created by spirit, then everything which has occurred since the beginning of space and time are products of the material world. Everything which is incorporeal proceeded from the corporeal. There is no middle ground. There is no other option. Either the material world was created by spirit or it wasn't. All other options will simplify to one of these two lowest common denominators which are mutually exclusive.

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That and pagans trying to normalize assorted sicko deviant behaviors and fetishes. Otherwise why would they be sniveling about a book they dismiss in the first place? It's about culturekampf, not 'science'.

Jerry Falwell said Bad Stuff about sexual deviants and kiddie rapers, so Da Evul Xians must be destroyed and the school children made more receptive to being raped by faggots. Faggots like children a lot, and it hurts their feelings when the kids reject their 'attentions'. Other sociopaths feel their pain.
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Jerry Falwell said Bad Stuff about sexual deviants and kiddie rapers, so Da Evul Xians must be destroyed and the school children made more receptive to being raped by faggots.
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who they pinned for ... and yes everyone not a christian knew they were evil from their beginning to the end.
 

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Judaism embraces the idea that the entire Universe, and all it contains, exists in the mind of G-d.
What does Judaism say about existences outside the entire universe? I mean, that is the point, no?
 

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Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
1. all you needed were 3 words--god did it
2. but-you can't prove there is a god
3. the bible is not a science/math/etc book = it's just a fairytale story book
4.you say = '''''7So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them''''
--all your other stuff is worthless---look at the title --creation of MAN

--so your theory is god did it ---that's not really a theory--not a plausible theory'/not backed up with any evidence/etc
''god created man'''====that's IT????!!!!!!! that's your '''theory'''''???
You are correct that I cant prove there is a God

but why should I want to?

I know godless libs are used to being pursued by Christians whose mission is to save your soul

we are supposed to share the Word of God with heathens

but if you choose not to listen thats your problem not mine

I think godless libs miss that attention

because every thread on this forum about God is started by a heathen like yourself mocking Christians
 

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28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number..I don't see that happening without a hell of a lot of incest going on..
You are entitled to your opinion

but why do you feel compelled to tell Christians what their beliefs should be?
 
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Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
1. all you needed were 3 words--god did it
2. but-you can't prove there is a god
3. the bible is not a science/math/etc book = it's just a fairytale story book
4.you say = '''''7So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them''''
--all your other stuff is worthless---look at the title --creation of MAN

--so your theory is god did it ---that's not really a theory--not a plausible theory'/not backed up with any evidence/etc
''god created man'''====that's IT????!!!!!!! that's your '''theory'''''???
You are correct that I cant prove there is a God

but why should I want to?

I know godless libs are used to being pursued by Christians whose mission is to save your soul

we are supposed to share the Word of God with heathens

but if you choose not to listen thats your problem not mine

I think godless libs miss that attention

because every thread on this forum about God is started by a heathen like yourself mocking Christians
mocking --hahahahhahahhahahah
1. the theists on USMB are the ones who are jerks who criticize, attack, insult!!!!!
2. the theists start a lot of threads
3.plain and simple, I want to know the theists' ''theory'' or let me know if they don't have one
 

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Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact? A simple request for those allegedly all 'scientific n stuff'. Otherwise you trolls have nothing to say except nonsense. It must suck that Genesis has as much credibility as your weird improbable nonsense, and in fact agrees with such 'science' as the Big bang Theory and the 'Adam' allegory is more scientifically feasible than dumbass claims that humans 'evolved' over time, or just spontaneously popped up by the hundreds all at once, fully adult and capable of feeding themselves and wandering around the planet, depending on which silly handwave one chooses to adopt today.
It’s 7th grade biology that introduces students to how organisms change and adapt to their environments. Was your 7th grade spent at a madrassah?
It’s nice to know that one only needs a 7th grade education to believe in evolution.
It's disturbing to know most of these 'rationalists' don't even know their own theories and can't discern the diffrences between adaptations alread built into genes and mutations, which are necessary by the billions and trillions, all beneficial to boot and in correct sequences, in order for 'evolution' to work, yet science proves benefical mutations are practically non-existent in real live, making the whole theory a pile of rubbish re empirical evidence, and indeed they can never produce any evidence; instead of evidence, we're suppose to accept some weird nonsense re a tiny motley collection of bones from several extinct species of apes scattered over millions of years that will fit on my kitchen table as 'evidence', and by extension that means anal sex between men must be 'normal' or something and all kinds of other stupid claims, cuz Xians are bads n stuff.
It seems you get your science from ID’iot creationist websites which would explain your confusion regarding some sadaptations “built in” to genes and mutations.

The claim that most mutations are harmful is right out of the playbook of Henry Morris, Answers in Genesis and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. They are charlatans who prey on the scientifically illiterate.

  1. Most mutations are neutral. Nachman and Crowell estimate around 3 deleterious mutations out of 175 per generation in humans (2000). Of those that have significant effect, most are harmful, but the fraction which are beneficial is higher than usually though. An experiment with E. coli found that about 1 in 150 newly arising mutations and 1 in 10 functional mutations are beneficial (Perfeito et al. 2007).

    The harmful mutations do not survive long, and the beneficial mutations survive much longer, so when you consider only surviving mutations, most are beneficial.

  2. Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
    • Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
    • Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
    • Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
    • A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
    • Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
    • In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).
  3. Whether a mutation is beneficial or not depends on environment. A mutation that helps the organism in one circumstance could harm it in another. When the environment changes, variations that once were counteradaptive suddenly become favored. Since environments are constantly changing, variation helps populations survive, even if some of those variations do not do as well as others. When beneficial mutations occur in a changed environment, they generally sweep through the population rapidly (Elena et al. 1996).

  4. High mutation rates are advantageous in some environments. Hypermutable strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa are found more commonly in the lungs of cystic fibrosis patients, where antibiotics and other stresses increase selection pressure and variability, than in patients without cystic fibrosis (Oliver et al. 2000).

  5. Note that the existence of any beneficial mutations is a falsification of the young-earth creationism model (Morris 1985, 13).

The “tiny motley collection of bones” comment is comedy gold. The national collection consists of 40 million fossil specimens. Would those really fit on your kitchen table?


“The National Fossil Collection contains over 40 million fossil specimens.”



How about Human fossils?


From skeletons to teeth, early human fossils have been found of more than 6,000 individuals. With the rapid pace of new discoveries every year, this impressive sample means that even though some early human species are only represented by one or a few fossils, others are represented by thousands of fossils. From them, we can understand things like:

  • how well adapted an early human species was for walking upright
  • how well adapted an early human species was for living in hot, tropical habitats or cold, temperate environments
  • the difference between male and female body size, which correlates to aspects of social behavior
  • how quickly or slowly children of early human species grew up.


Gee, whiz. You might want to send a strongly worded email to your local chapter of the Ken Ham Admiration Society and have them update their brochures.
Yes! Mutations created millions of male/female animals!
Millions!
 

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Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?
I never heard that one before from you. :lol:
You STILL have no answer. :biggrin:
Saying I have no answer doesn't make it true.
You think deformed and retarded babies are a good thing. That's even worse than having no answer.
No. I think good comes from everything. You think handicapped babies are a bad thing.
Deformed, handicapped babies that live a short life in constant, torturing pain are not a good thing, you think they are.
You think they are bad thing. They make you uncomfortable. Would you like to place your hand over their mouths and snuff out their lives so you won't have to feel uncomfortable?
I want to know why god makes them.
No. You want to snuff out their lives because they make you uncomfortable. No wonder you can't see how anyone can love them.
I want to know why god makes them.
 

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Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?
I never heard that one before from you. :lol:
You STILL have no answer. :biggrin:
Saying I have no answer doesn't make it true.
You think deformed and retarded babies are a good thing. That's even worse than having no answer.
No. I think good comes from everything. You think handicapped babies are a bad thing.
Deformed, handicapped babies that live a short life in constant, torturing pain are not a good thing, you think they are.
You think they are bad thing. They make you uncomfortable. Would you like to place your hand over their mouths and snuff out their lives so you won't have to feel uncomfortable?
I want to know why god makes them.
No. You want to snuff out their lives because they make you uncomfortable. No wonder you can't see how anyone can love them.
I want to know why god makes them.
So that good can come from it. Same reason everything was made, dummy.
 

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Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?
I never heard that one before from you. :lol:
You STILL have no answer. :biggrin:
Saying I have no answer doesn't make it true.
You think deformed and retarded babies are a good thing. That's even worse than having no answer.
No. I think good comes from everything. You think handicapped babies are a bad thing.
Deformed, handicapped babies that live a short life in constant, torturing pain are not a good thing, you think they are.
You think they are bad thing. They make you uncomfortable. Would you like to place your hand over their mouths and snuff out their lives so you won't have to feel uncomfortable?
I want to know why god makes them.
No. You want to snuff out their lives because they make you uncomfortable. No wonder you can't see how anyone can love them.
I want to know why god makes them.
So that good can come from it. Same reason everything was made, dummy.
There was one guy a few years ago whose daughter was deformed retarded in a wheelchair, couldn't speak, and was in constant pain. This had been going on for 12 years. The doctors were scheduling here for another operation that wouldn't alleviate any pain, and probably make it worse, at least for a while. Then more surgeries... Basically, the doctors were experimenting on her. The dad took the child, put her in his truck and did the tailpipe thing. He got 10 years (this was in Canada), which was still insane. What good came out of that? Anything at all? :dunno:
 

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Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact? A simple request for those allegedly all 'scientific n stuff'. Otherwise you trolls have nothing to say except nonsense. It must suck that Genesis has as much credibility as your weird improbable nonsense, and in fact agrees with such 'science' as the Big bang Theory and the 'Adam' allegory is more scientifically feasible than dumbass claims that humans 'evolved' over time, or just spontaneously popped up by the hundreds all at once, fully adult and capable of feeding themselves and wandering around the planet, depending on which silly handwave one chooses to adopt today.
It’s 7th grade biology that introduces students to how organisms change and adapt to their environments. Was your 7th grade spent at a madrassah?
It’s nice to know that one only needs a 7th grade education to believe in evolution.
It's disturbing to know most of these 'rationalists' don't even know their own theories and can't discern the diffrences between adaptations alread built into genes and mutations, which are necessary by the billions and trillions, all beneficial to boot and in correct sequences, in order for 'evolution' to work, yet science proves benefical mutations are practically non-existent in real live, making the whole theory a pile of rubbish re empirical evidence, and indeed they can never produce any evidence; instead of evidence, we're suppose to accept some weird nonsense re a tiny motley collection of bones from several extinct species of apes scattered over millions of years that will fit on my kitchen table as 'evidence', and by extension that means anal sex between men must be 'normal' or something and all kinds of other stupid claims, cuz Xians are bads n stuff.
It seems you get your science from ID’iot creationist websites which would explain your confusion regarding some sadaptations “built in” to genes and mutations.

The claim that most mutations are harmful is right out of the playbook of Henry Morris, Answers in Genesis and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. They are charlatans who prey on the scientifically illiterate.

  1. Most mutations are neutral. Nachman and Crowell estimate around 3 deleterious mutations out of 175 per generation in humans (2000). Of those that have significant effect, most are harmful, but the fraction which are beneficial is higher than usually though. An experiment with E. coli found that about 1 in 150 newly arising mutations and 1 in 10 functional mutations are beneficial (Perfeito et al. 2007).

    The harmful mutations do not survive long, and the beneficial mutations survive much longer, so when you consider only surviving mutations, most are beneficial.

  2. Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
    • Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
    • Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
    • Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
    • A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
    • Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
    • In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).
  3. Whether a mutation is beneficial or not depends on environment. A mutation that helps the organism in one circumstance could harm it in another. When the environment changes, variations that once were counteradaptive suddenly become favored. Since environments are constantly changing, variation helps populations survive, even if some of those variations do not do as well as others. When beneficial mutations occur in a changed environment, they generally sweep through the population rapidly (Elena et al. 1996).

  4. High mutation rates are advantageous in some environments. Hypermutable strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa are found more commonly in the lungs of cystic fibrosis patients, where antibiotics and other stresses increase selection pressure and variability, than in patients without cystic fibrosis (Oliver et al. 2000).

  5. Note that the existence of any beneficial mutations is a falsification of the young-earth creationism model (Morris 1985, 13).

The “tiny motley collection of bones” comment is comedy gold. The national collection consists of 40 million fossil specimens. Would those really fit on your kitchen table?


“The National Fossil Collection contains over 40 million fossil specimens.”



How about Human fossils?


From skeletons to teeth, early human fossils have been found of more than 6,000 individuals. With the rapid pace of new discoveries every year, this impressive sample means that even though some early human species are only represented by one or a few fossils, others are represented by thousands of fossils. From them, we can understand things like:

  • how well adapted an early human species was for walking upright
  • how well adapted an early human species was for living in hot, tropical habitats or cold, temperate environments
  • the difference between male and female body size, which correlates to aspects of social behavior
  • how quickly or slowly children of early human species grew up.


Gee, whiz. You might want to send a strongly worded email to your local chapter of the Ken Ham Admiration Society and have them update their brochures.
Yes! Mutations created millions of male/female animals!
Millions!
lol that's what they're trying to sell, all right. And, they all came from the same cells, too! lol lol lol

And, they all survived the millions of harmful mutations for every good one along the way, too!
 

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There was one guy a few years ago whose daughter was deformed retarded in a wheelchair, couldn't speak, and was in constant pain. This had been going on for 12 years. The doctors were scheduling here for another operation that wouldn't alleviate any pain, and probably make it worse, at least for a while. Then more surgeries... Basically, the doctors were experimenting on her. The dad took the child, put her in his truck and did the tailpipe thing. He got 10 years (this was in Canada), which was still insane. What good came out of that? Anything at all?
It tells us the value society places (or used to place) on life--all life. It also tells us to what extent you value life. Are you aware that this was the basis for the second world war? People felt they were legitimately concerned that the gene pool could get so contaminated that responsible citizens--for the good of the future of mankind--would agree that ultimate solution was best. Yes, there was a lot of hunger for territory and political power as well, but the genetic purity of mankind was very much on the platform as well.
 

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please give us the creation of man theory

After the earth formed came the Late Heavy Bombardment, during which life arrived on meteors and asteroids. After billions of years, the top species on earth was an ape like animal, when aliens came, changed their DNA, and now here were are.
 

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There was one guy a few years ago whose daughter was deformed retarded in a wheelchair, couldn't speak, and was in constant pain. This had been going on for 12 years. The doctors were scheduling here for another operation that wouldn't alleviate any pain, and probably make it worse, at least for a while. Then more surgeries... Basically, the doctors were experimenting on her. The dad took the child, put her in his truck and did the tailpipe thing. He got 10 years (this was in Canada), which was still insane. What good came out of that? Anything at all?
It tells us the value society places (or used to place) on life--all life. It also tells us to what extent you value life. Are you aware that this was the basis for the second world war? People felt they were legitimately concerned that the gene pool could get so contaminated that responsible citizens--for the good of the future of mankind--would agree that ultimate solution was best. Yes, there was a lot of hunger for territory and political power as well, but the genetic purity of mankind was very much on the platform as well.
Man, that was a lot of deflecting fartsmoke. What good came from god making this child? dingbat says good comes of it, well, to him anyways.
 

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The Genesis tale of creation relies on supernatural intervention, so yes, one or more supernatural gods creating things requires supernaturalism.
Please pinpoint a specific place that you are interpreting as "supernatural intervention".
The entirety of the Genesis account speaks to supernaturalism, particularly when the existence of creator Gods is based on supernaturalism, ie, outside of the natural, rational world. I have yet to see a convincing argument as to how allowing for supernatural creation really advances our understanding of anything. Without a plausible framework to show us how we are to know the reality of Bibles and such without endless interpretation, or understanding the “intent” of the book that describes such supernatural creation, subjective interpretation is futile.
No. It doesn't. It speaks to the origin of existence. Which science says it got right.

Orthodox Jews like nothing better to state the bible is correct, they are in the area due to the bible, and they get lots of money off of Evangelical Christians.
He's not the only one who believes it. ex nihilo creatio is the belief of the Catholic Church too.
The RCC believes in evolution as well as God. The BB has nothing to do with religion.
What do you think ex nihilo creatio is, dummy?
Yes they mean the BB is God almighty. He is behind the BB.
No, the BB is not God almighty. The BB is proof that God created the universe from nothing.
Well they think its God almighty.
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Why wouldn't God be almighty?
Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.
 

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