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That might be the first thing you have nailed on this thread, thank-you.Zionism is a political movement
You're deflecting and if it is 10%, 100% or 1%, this proves the point that the zionists can not speak for the Jewish people.Less than 10% of these Jewish Studies scholars signed it.
Who's Ghandi, a rabbi?That might be the first thing you have nailed on this thread, thank-you.Zionism is a political movement
You're deflecting and if it is 10%, 100% or 1%, this proves the point that the zionists can not speak for the Jewish people.Less than 10% of these Jewish Studies scholars signed it.
Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
So, he is discussing simple truth and not Judaism.Who's Ghandi, a rabbi?
Not in Judaism.
This guy was a zionist. One of the first in fact, joining with the gentiles who had already been pushing the idea of settling Europeans in Palestine and establishing a zionist regime.Oh was I waiting for that opportunity...
Let me give You the MISSING LINK:
Yehuda Bivas
Rabbi Yehuda Aryeh Leon Bibas (circa 1789-1859 ) was a Sephardic rabbi , rabbi of the Corfu community, apreacher of Zionism , an arbiter and Kabbalist , with an academic degree and broad general education, traveling And is connected to the world. [2]
As far as is known, he preceded political Zionism in his world view and proposals. He called upon the people of Israel to stop the passive expectation of redemption and to do something to bring them closer. In his view, as expressed by his disciple Rabbi Yehuda Alkalai , the general answer required before redemption is specifically the aliyah to Eretz Israel and the settlement there. Inspired by the Greek War of Independence , Bibas wrote that the Jews should train weapons such as the Greeks and conquer the Land of Israel from the Ottoman Empire inorder to establish their state. [3] His bold call for arms was innovative for its time and preceded the teachings of the other forerunners of Zionism . At the end of his life, Rabbi Bivas immigrated to Eretz Israel and lived in Hebron .
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So, he is discussing simple truth and not Judaism.Who's Ghandi, a rabbi?
Not in Judaism.
From another thread, rylah, unbeknownst to himself, has illuminated our point beautifully.
This guy was a zionist. One of the first in fact, joining with the gentiles who had already been pushing the idea of settling Europeans in Palestine and establishing a zionist regime.Oh was I waiting for that opportunity...
Let me give You the MISSING LINK:
Yehuda Bivas
Rabbi Yehuda Aryeh Leon Bibas (circa 1789-1859 ) was a Sephardic rabbi , rabbi of the Corfu community, apreacher of Zionism , an arbiter and Kabbalist , with an academic degree and broad general education, traveling And is connected to the world. [2]
As far as is known, he preceded political Zionism in his world view and proposals. He called upon the people of Israel to stop the passive expectation of redemption and to do something to bring them closer. In his view, as expressed by his disciple Rabbi Yehuda Alkalai , the general answer required before redemption is specifically the aliyah to Eretz Israel and the settlement there. Inspired by the Greek War of Independence , Bibas wrote that the Jews should train weapons such as the Greeks and conquer the Land of Israel from the Ottoman Empire inorder to establish their state. [3] His bold call for arms was innovative for its time and preceded the teachings of the other forerunners of Zionism . At the end of his life, Rabbi Bivas immigrated to Eretz Israel and lived in Hebron .
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Zionist Activism
By the years 1839-1840, Bibas undertook a journey in Europe. While visiting many Jewish Communities, he called upon the Jews to make Aliyah to Palestine and settle there. He was one of the first Rabbis to do so.....
Yehuda Bibas - Wikipedia
Remember, prior to these zionists who turned millennia of Judaism upside down, Judaism never believed in taking land in war.
What a messI saw it over there and had no idea why. And I did not see where the rabbi said that God wanted us to return by force which is why I thought it wasn't over here.
It has nothing to do with that topic or this.What a mess
Go respond there.
I did not see where the rabbi said that God wanted us to return by force which is why I thought it wasn't over here.Rabbi Chaim Ben Attar
Rabbi Chaim ben Attar (or Aben Atar, known as Or HaChaim or Or HaChaim, after his book, 1696, He was one of the greatest commentators of the Bible in the last few years, a commentator on the Talmud, a Kabbalist and a halakhic authority.
Rabbi Chaim Ben Attar lived in Morocco for most of his life. During this period he was known mainly among Moroccan Jews. When he was forty-three, he immigrated to Eretz Israel with his two wives and a group of students who planned to establish a yeshiva in the Land of Israel, while calling upon the Jews he met on his way to join them. On his journey to Palestine, he passed through Italy, where he printed his books that gave him his name throughout the entire Jewish Diaspora, including the European one. After a period of wandering in northern Israel, he settled in Jerusalem where he established his yeshiva, Midrash Knesset Yisrael. Died about a year after his arrival in Jerusalem, in the summer of 1743, at the age of 47.
Rabbi Chaim ben Attar
A political movement is a social group in a social society that operates together to obtain a political goal.Zionism is a political movement
And yet, every synagogue in the US I've been to has a US and Israeli flag in inside. Go figure. LOLCorrect, the zionists can claim to be Martians, but that does not make it so. Bush claimed to be a Christian, didn't make it so."Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת Tsiyyonut [t͡sijo̞ˈnut] after Zion) is the national movement of the Jewish people"
Of course the national movement of the Jewish people has nothing to do with the Jewish people.
I could literally post quotes from our rabbis, day after day, illuminating the concept that the zionists can not speak for the Jewish people and I might never run out of material.
Okay.Abi, I am attacking the messenger's message. Forgive me for my posts that seem to attack you. Forgive me.
Learn to differentiate between what traditional Jews believed for thousands of years and how the zionists behave. If the behavior is diametrically opposed to what Jews believed for millennia, that in itself is proof enough.But I will also say that there is no way that I will be convinced that .1% of Jews speak for all.
Not true. Many Jews within Israel are not even zionists. I posted two examples above. I can post several more.I realize that you pretty much consider that any Jew that lives in Israel and/or supports Israel is actually a 'Zionist' and therefore not to be called a Jew
As a matter of fact, would you be so kind as to translate this historic document for us?
Now go study!
Jews are not excluded from mental illness, as we can clearly see.Abis is a Jew ....as if. He doesn't understand basic concepts like varying interpretations and posts quotes found on anti-semitic sites, unable to analyse them. He says the zionists don't speak for the jews but a majority does and quotes Gandhi. LOL I guess he doesn't believe in the majority speaking for the.... majority. Pretty radical.
Luckily we have Abi because he obvously highly respects louis
Yeah antisemites often are "Jews" except when it is apparent that they don't know the first thing about judaism and are copying and pasting quotes from anti-semitic sites.Jews are not excluded from mental illness, as we can clearly see.Abis is a Jew ....as if. He doesn't understand basic concepts like varying interpretations and posts quotes found on anti-semitic sites, unable to analyse them. He says the zionists don't speak for the jews but a majority does and quotes Gandhi. LOL I guess he doesn't believe in the majority speaking for the.... majority. Pretty radical.
Luckily we have Abi because he obvously highly respects louis
Nobody did that and every quote I have posted can be verified by you from Jewish sources. I have posted some directly from the bible as well. Please feel free to refute facts, but these baseless charges do nothing to make your point.Yeah antisemites often are "Jews" except when it is apparent that they don't know the first thing about judaism and are copying and pasting quotes from anti-semitic sites.
The scholars, therefore, see the US declaration as an endorsement of sole Jewish proprietorship over Jerusalem, “practically guaranteed to fan the flames of violence.”
US Jewish Studies scholars sign petition against Jerusalem declaration
the source isThe scholars, therefore, see the US declaration as an endorsement of sole Jewish proprietorship over Jerusalem, “practically guaranteed to fan the flames of violence.”
US Jewish Studies scholars sign petition against Jerusalem declaration
Nice source! You are just one big dishonest red herring. The vast amount of Jews applauded this move
the source isThe scholars, therefore, see the US declaration as an endorsement of sole Jewish proprietorship over Jerusalem, “practically guaranteed to fan the flames of violence.”
US Jewish Studies scholars sign petition against Jerusalem declaration
Nice source! You are just one big dishonest red herring. The vast amount of Jews applauded this move