The World Will Eventually Become A Christian World.

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JAG Writes:
What does the future hold for the Christian Church and the human race here on planet Earth?
The answer is the human race has a magnificent optimistic bright cheerful future.

The world will eventually become a Christian world. This will require many millenniums yet
to come as human history rolls forward. This does not mean that every single person on
Earth will become a Christian, rather it means that the human race, as a race, will be saved
and the vast overwhelming majority of human beings will, in the far off future, become
Christian.

The Lord Jesus' Great Commission To His Christian Church is about His Church Christianizing
the world:

The Lord Jesus told His disciples at the end of Matthew's gospel chapter 28 to go and make
disciples of all the nations. His disciples needed power to accomplish this great task. The Lord
Jesus told them what this power was. He said "all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been
given to me, therefore go and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to obey all that
I have commanded you." Matthew 28:18-20

The Lord Jesus was serious when He gave His Christian Church her Great Commission. His
Great Commission is a command and not a suggestion. Therefore His Great Commission to
go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished before He returns
to Earth to end human history -- the world will eventually become Christian. "He must reign
until He has put all his enemies under His feet." 1 Cor. 15:25
"For He (God) has put everything under His feet." 1 Cor. 15:27

The Lord Jesus right NOW is reigning as King over this entire world and He is gradually
incrementally Christianizing the entire world. Again, how long will this take? It will take
many many millenniums yet to unfold, but He will be victorious. We must be patient.
This is going to take very long time.

Meanwhile . .

Unfortunately there is a lot of Doom and Gloom and Defeatism out there inside 21st
century Christendom .

Christendom holds and presents 4 major views of the future of the Christian Church
and the Human Race.

These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

Of the 4 views only Postmillennialism presents an optimistic bright cheerful victorious
future for the Christian Church and the Human Race. The other 3 views are saturated
with Doom and Gloom and Defeatism for both the Christian Church and the Human
race.

This Opening Post is presenting some general thoughts on Postmillennialism and
Postmillennialism's optimistic view of the future.

Long live Christian optimism.

Large swaths of the Christian Church today are awash in Gloom and Doom and in
Defeatism passed off as being spiritual, when in fact the Bible teaches that the
Christian Church will be victorious. I will build my Church, said the Lord Jesus,
and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. Go and make disciples of all the
nations, said the Lord Jesus, because I have now been given all authority both in
Heaven and on Earth.

It is sad indeed that Amillennialism, Premillennialism, and Dispensationalism
repudiates the gospel victory theme of the Bible in their modern eschatological
speculations and replaces this victory theme with a defeatist scheme of the
future of the Christian Church and Human race. This paralyzes Christian cultural
efforts and eliminates the practical significance from the Christian worldview,
and gives Christians a sinful comfort in lethargy because all this Defeatism
and Doom and Gloom tends to justify social and cultural irresponsibility.
Why polish brass on a sinking ship", ask many misinformed Christians.

_____________


Here is an excellent definition of Postmillennialism:

"Postmillennialism holds that the Lord Jesus Christ established His kingdom
on earth through His preaching and redemptive work in the first century and
that He equips His church with the gospel, empowers her by the Holy Spirit,
and charges her with the Great Commission to disciple all nations.
Postmillennialism expects that eventually the vast majority of men living
will be saved. Increasing gospel success will gradually produce a time in
history prior to Christ's return in which faith, righteousness, peace, and
prosperity will prevail in the affairs of men and nations. After an extensive
era of such conditions the Lord will return visibly, bodily, and gloriously
, to end history with the general resurrection and the final Judgment
after which the eternal order follows."___ Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry.

Christianity is slowly Christianizing the world.

Christianity started small in numbers. There was a time in the 1st century
at the very beginning of Christianity when the number of Christians in the
world was less than 12. Today, some 2000 years later, there is some 2.5
billion Christians in the world. We have a name for this. We call it progress.

America today has over 1300 Evangelical mega-churches with weekly
attendance of over 2000. The Roman Catholics have over 3000 churches
with a weekly attendance of over 2000. This is Christian progress in the
world.

Christianity is growing like wildfire in the Global South. In Africa and in
the huge underground churches in China. This is more Christian progress
in the world.

■ The Lord Jesus "shall have dominion from sea to sea" Psalm 72:8
■ "The whole Earth will be filled with His glory." Psalm 72:19
■ "All the nations will call Him blessed." Psalm 72:17
■ The Lord Jesus really meant it, when He commanded His Christian
Church to "go and make disciples of all the nations." Matthew 28:19

JAG

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It would be wonderful if the world became truly, sincerely Christian. If it merely adopts one of the defective cults, not so much.
It would be wonderful if it became sincerely Buddhist.
 
The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished?

It's already successfully accomplished.
 
The brainwashing required to maintain religion gets
more difficult every day as access to information
improves for the planet.

Augustine,
There are two opposing sides locked in ideological combat
here in the 21st century.
{1} Theism
{2} Secularism
Both sides are writing and publishing information to support their views.
Both sides have "access to information."
Theism is daily filming and writing and publishing a HUGE amount of written
and video material supporting Theism.

Theism worldwide is very strong and very healthy.
Theism is growing rapidly.
See the stats below and the link.
Projected:
2.8 billion Muslims plus 2.9 billion Christians by 2050.
That comes out to 5.7 billion Theists by 2050.
And that's not counting the Jews.

5.7 billion Theists is going to be a lot of Theists by 2050

Projected growth of Christianity by 2050
Some of the projections are as follows:
[96]
  1. Over the 2010-2050 period, Christians will remain the largest religious group with 30.7% of the world’s population. However, Islam will grow faster and become 29.7% of the world’s population. Therefore, by 2050 there will be 2.8 billion Muslims compared to 2.9 billion Christians.
  2. “In the United States, Christians will decline from more than three-quarters of the population in 2010 to two-thirds in 2050.”
  3. “Four out of every 10 Christians in the world will live in sub-Saharan Africa.”
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In the section By Country, here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ...wth#By_country


Christendom, according to the linked article, will decline in the United States by 2050, however . . .
Christendom is growing in the Global South.
Christianity is growing in Africa.
Christendom is growing in China. There is a huge "underground" Christianity in China. House Church.
Christianity is huge in South Korea --and growing.


`
 
The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations
will be successfully accomplished?
Agreed.

It's already successfully accomplished.
Interesting.

__________


Norwegen,
* Just curious, which one of these below do you hold to be rue?
* Or none of the 4 below?
* Rather some other Christian Eschatological view of the future?

* Christendom holds and presents 4 major different views of the
future of the Christian Church and the Human Race.
These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism
 
JAG Writes:
What does the future hold for the Christian Church and the human race here on planet Earth?
The answer is the human race has a magnificent optimistic bright cheerful future.

The world will eventually become a Christian world. This will require many millenniums yet
to come as human history rolls forward. This does not mean that every single person on
Earth will become a Christian, rather it means that the human race, as a race, will be saved
and the vast overwhelming majority of human beings will, in the far off future, become
Christian.

The Lord Jesus' Great Commission To His Christian Church is about His Church Christianizing
the world:

The Lord Jesus told His disciples at the end of Matthew's gospel chapter 28 to go and make
disciples of all the nations. His disciples needed power to accomplish this great task. The Lord
Jesus told them what this power was. He said "all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been
given to me, therefore go and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to obey all that
I have commanded you." Matthew 28:18-20

The Lord Jesus was serious when He gave His Christian Church her Great Commission. His
Great Commission is a command and not a suggestion. Therefore His Great Commission to
go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished before He returns
to Earth to end human history -- the world will eventually become Christian. "He must reign
until He has put all his enemies under His feet." 1 Cor. 15:25
"For He (God) has put everything under His feet." 1 Cor. 15:27

The Lord Jesus right NOW is reigning as King over this entire world and He is gradually
incrementally Christianizing the entire world. Again, how long will this take? It will take
many many millenniums yet to unfold, but He will be victorious. We must be patient.
This is going to take very long time.

Meanwhile . .

Unfortunately there is a lot of Doom and Gloom and Defeatism out there inside 21st
century Christendom .

Christendom holds and presents 4 major views of the future of the Christian Church
and the Human Race.

These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

Of the 4 views only Postmillennialism presents an optimistic bright cheerful victorious
future for the Christian Church and the Human Race. The other 3 views are saturated
with Doom and Gloom and Defeatism for both the Christian Church and the Human
race.

This Opening Post is presenting some general thoughts on Postmillennialism and
Postmillennialism's optimistic view of the future.

Long live Christian optimism.

Large swaths of the Christian Church today are awash in Gloom and Doom and in
Defeatism passed off as being spiritual, when in fact the Bible teaches that the
Christian Church will be victorious. I will build my Church, said the Lord Jesus,
and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. Go and make disciples of all the
nations, said the Lord Jesus, because I have now been given all authority both in
Heaven and on Earth.

It is sad indeed that Amillennialism, Premillennialism, and Dispensationalism
repudiates the gospel victory theme of the Bible in their modern eschatological
speculations and replaces this victory theme with a defeatist scheme of the
future of the Christian Church and Human race. This paralyzes Christian cultural
efforts and eliminates the practical significance from the Christian worldview,
and gives Christians a sinful comfort in lethargy because all this Defeatism
and Doom and Gloom tends to justify social and cultural irresponsibility.
Why polish brass on a sinking ship", ask many misinformed Christians.

_____________


Here is an excellent definition of Postmillennialism:

"Postmillennialism holds that the Lord Jesus Christ established His kingdom
on earth through His preaching and redemptive work in the first century and
that He equips His church with the gospel, empowers her by the Holy Spirit,
and charges her with the Great Commission to disciple all nations.
Postmillennialism expects that eventually the vast majority of men living
will be saved. Increasing gospel success will gradually produce a time in
history prior to Christ's return in which faith, righteousness, peace, and
prosperity will prevail in the affairs of men and nations. After an extensive
era of such conditions the Lord will return visibly, bodily, and gloriously
, to end history with the general resurrection and the final Judgment
after which the eternal order follows."___ Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry.

Christianity is slowly Christianizing the world.

Christianity started small in numbers. There was a time in the 1st century
at the very beginning of Christianity when the number of Christians in the
world was less than 12. Today, some 2000 years later, there is some 2.5
billion Christians in the world. We have a name for this. We call it progress.

America today has over 1300 Evangelical mega-churches with weekly
attendance of over 2000. The Roman Catholics have over 3000 churches
with a weekly attendance of over 2000. This is Christian progress in the
world.

Christianity is growing like wildfire in the Global South. In Africa and in
the huge underground churches in China. This is more Christian progress
in the world.

■ The Lord Jesus "shall have dominion from sea to sea" Psalm 72:8
■ "The whole Earth will be filled with His glory." Psalm 72:19
■ "All the nations will call Him blessed." Psalm 72:17
■ The Lord Jesus really meant it, when He commanded His Christian
Church to "go and make disciples of all the nations." Matthew 28:19

JAG

`
I suspect most Muslims would disagree:

 
The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations
will be successfully accomplished?
Agreed.

It's already successfully accomplished.
Interesting.

__________


Norwegen,
* Just curious, which one of these below do you hold to be rue?
* Or none of the 4 below?
* Rather some other Christian Eschatological view of the future?

* Christendom holds and presents 4 major different views of the
future of the Christian Church and the Human Race.
These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism
None of those is true. I don't even know what those four views are, and I don't care, because they're not true.

There is no eschatology regarding our future.
 
JAG Writes:
What does the future hold for the Christian Church and the human race here on planet Earth?
The answer is the human race has a magnificent optimistic bright cheerful future.

The world will eventually become a Christian world. This will require many millenniums yet
to come as human history rolls forward. This does not mean that every single person on
Earth will become a Christian, rather it means that the human race, as a race, will be saved
and the vast overwhelming majority of human beings will, in the far off future, become
Christian.

The Lord Jesus' Great Commission To His Christian Church is about His Church Christianizing
the world:

The Lord Jesus told His disciples at the end of Matthew's gospel chapter 28 to go and make
disciples of all the nations. His disciples needed power to accomplish this great task. The Lord
Jesus told them what this power was. He said "all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been
given to me, therefore go and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to obey all that
I have commanded you." Matthew 28:18-20

The Lord Jesus was serious when He gave His Christian Church her Great Commission. His
Great Commission is a command and not a suggestion. Therefore His Great Commission to
go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished before He returns
to Earth to end human history -- the world will eventually become Christian. "He must reign
until He has put all his enemies under His feet." 1 Cor. 15:25
"For He (God) has put everything under His feet." 1 Cor. 15:27

The Lord Jesus right NOW is reigning as King over this entire world and He is gradually
incrementally Christianizing the entire world. Again, how long will this take? It will take
many many millenniums yet to unfold, but He will be victorious. We must be patient.
This is going to take very long time.

Meanwhile . .

Unfortunately there is a lot of Doom and Gloom and Defeatism out there inside 21st
century Christendom .

Christendom holds and presents 4 major views of the future of the Christian Church
and the Human Race.

These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

Of the 4 views only Postmillennialism presents an optimistic bright cheerful victorious
future for the Christian Church and the Human Race. The other 3 views are saturated
with Doom and Gloom and Defeatism for both the Christian Church and the Human
race.

This Opening Post is presenting some general thoughts on Postmillennialism and
Postmillennialism's optimistic view of the future.

Long live Christian optimism.

Large swaths of the Christian Church today are awash in Gloom and Doom and in
Defeatism passed off as being spiritual, when in fact the Bible teaches that the
Christian Church will be victorious. I will build my Church, said the Lord Jesus,
and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. Go and make disciples of all the
nations, said the Lord Jesus, because I have now been given all authority both in
Heaven and on Earth.

It is sad indeed that Amillennialism, Premillennialism, and Dispensationalism
repudiates the gospel victory theme of the Bible in their modern eschatological
speculations and replaces this victory theme with a defeatist scheme of the
future of the Christian Church and Human race. This paralyzes Christian cultural
efforts and eliminates the practical significance from the Christian worldview,
and gives Christians a sinful comfort in lethargy because all this Defeatism
and Doom and Gloom tends to justify social and cultural irresponsibility.
Why polish brass on a sinking ship", ask many misinformed Christians.

_____________


Here is an excellent definition of Postmillennialism:

"Postmillennialism holds that the Lord Jesus Christ established His kingdom
on earth through His preaching and redemptive work in the first century and
that He equips His church with the gospel, empowers her by the Holy Spirit,
and charges her with the Great Commission to disciple all nations.
Postmillennialism expects that eventually the vast majority of men living
will be saved. Increasing gospel success will gradually produce a time in
history prior to Christ's return in which faith, righteousness, peace, and
prosperity will prevail in the affairs of men and nations. After an extensive
era of such conditions the Lord will return visibly, bodily, and gloriously
, to end history with the general resurrection and the final Judgment
after which the eternal order follows."___ Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry.

Christianity is slowly Christianizing the world.

Christianity started small in numbers. There was a time in the 1st century
at the very beginning of Christianity when the number of Christians in the
world was less than 12. Today, some 2000 years later, there is some 2.5
billion Christians in the world. We have a name for this. We call it progress.

America today has over 1300 Evangelical mega-churches with weekly
attendance of over 2000. The Roman Catholics have over 3000 churches
with a weekly attendance of over 2000. This is Christian progress in the
world.

Christianity is growing like wildfire in the Global South. In Africa and in
the huge underground churches in China. This is more Christian progress
in the world.

■ The Lord Jesus "shall have dominion from sea to sea" Psalm 72:8
■ "The whole Earth will be filled with His glory." Psalm 72:19
■ "All the nations will call Him blessed." Psalm 72:17
■ The Lord Jesus really meant it, when He commanded His Christian
Church to "go and make disciples of all the nations." Matthew 28:19

JAG

`
I suspect most Muslims would disagree:


I think you're correct, most Muslims would disagree.
I posted your point and your link to Augustine up-thread.
 
The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations
will be successfully accomplished?
Agreed.

It's already successfully accomplished.
Interesting.

__________


Norwegen,
* Just curious, which one of these below do you hold to be rue?
* Or none of the 4 below?
* Rather some other Christian Eschatological view of the future?

* Christendom holds and presents 4 major different views of the
future of the Christian Church and the Human Race.
These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

None of those is true. I don't even know what those four views are, and I don't care, because they're not true.
There is no eschatology regarding our future.
Okay, but what did you mean when you said this:

"The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished?
It's already successfully accomplished. "____Norwegen


`
 
The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations
will be successfully accomplished?
Agreed.

It's already successfully accomplished.
Interesting.

__________


Norwegen,
* Just curious, which one of these below do you hold to be rue?
* Or none of the 4 below?
* Rather some other Christian Eschatological view of the future?

* Christendom holds and presents 4 major different views of the
future of the Christian Church and the Human Race.
These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

None of those is true. I don't even know what those four views are, and I don't care, because they're not true.
There is no eschatology regarding our future.
Okay, but what did you mean when you said this:

"The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished?
It's already successfully accomplished. "____Norwegen


`
Just what I said. It's already accomplished.

Armenia, Ethiopia, the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, and on and on; Greece, Denmark, England, Iceland, Norway, Samoa, Tonga, each in due course, one after another, nation after nation, government rested on the Lord’s shoulders; nations began walking in the light of it and even kings began proclaiming it (Rv 21:24). As Zion had clamored for all along, God was rising to inherit the nations (Ps 82:8).
 
The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations
will be successfully accomplished?
Agreed.

It's already successfully accomplished.
Interesting.

__________


Norwegen,
* Just curious, which one of these below do you hold to be rue?
* Or none of the 4 below?
* Rather some other Christian Eschatological view of the future?

* Christendom holds and presents 4 major different views of the
future of the Christian Church and the Human Race.
These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

None of those is true. I don't even know what those four views are, and I don't care, because they're not true.
There is no eschatology regarding our future.
Okay, but what did you mean when you said this:

"The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished?
It's already successfully accomplished. "____Norwegen


`
Just what I said. It's already accomplished.

Armenia, Ethiopia, the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, and on and on; Greece, Denmark, England, Iceland, Norway, Samoa, Tonga, each in due course, one after another, nation after nation, government rested on the Lord’s shoulders; nations began walking in the light of it and even kings began proclaiming it (Rv 21:24). As Zion had clamored for all along, God was rising to inherit the nations (Ps 82:8).

Okay.
Thanks for the clarification, Norwegen.


`
 
JAG Writes:
What does the future hold for the Christian Church and the human race here on planet Earth?
The answer is the human race has a magnificent optimistic bright cheerful future.

The world will eventually become a Christian world. This will require many millenniums yet
to come as human history rolls forward. This does not mean that every single person on
Earth will become a Christian, rather it means that the human race, as a race, will be saved
and the vast overwhelming majority of human beings will, in the far off future, become
Christian.

The Lord Jesus' Great Commission To His Christian Church is about His Church Christianizing
the world:

The Lord Jesus told His disciples at the end of Matthew's gospel chapter 28 to go and make
disciples of all the nations. His disciples needed power to accomplish this great task. The Lord
Jesus told them what this power was. He said "all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been
given to me, therefore go and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to obey all that
I have commanded you." Matthew 28:18-20

The Lord Jesus was serious when He gave His Christian Church her Great Commission. His
Great Commission is a command and not a suggestion. Therefore His Great Commission to
go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished before He returns
to Earth to end human history -- the world will eventually become Christian. "He must reign
until He has put all his enemies under His feet." 1 Cor. 15:25
"For He (God) has put everything under His feet." 1 Cor. 15:27

The Lord Jesus right NOW is reigning as King over this entire world and He is gradually
incrementally Christianizing the entire world. Again, how long will this take? It will take
many many millenniums yet to unfold, but He will be victorious. We must be patient.
This is going to take very long time.

Meanwhile . .

Unfortunately there is a lot of Doom and Gloom and Defeatism out there inside 21st
century Christendom .

Christendom holds and presents 4 major views of the future of the Christian Church
and the Human Race.

These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

Of the 4 views only Postmillennialism presents an optimistic bright cheerful victorious
future for the Christian Church and the Human Race. The other 3 views are saturated
with Doom and Gloom and Defeatism for both the Christian Church and the Human
race.

This Opening Post is presenting some general thoughts on Postmillennialism and
Postmillennialism's optimistic view of the future.

Long live Christian optimism.

Large swaths of the Christian Church today are awash in Gloom and Doom and in
Defeatism passed off as being spiritual, when in fact the Bible teaches that the
Christian Church will be victorious. I will build my Church, said the Lord Jesus,
and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. Go and make disciples of all the
nations, said the Lord Jesus, because I have now been given all authority both in
Heaven and on Earth.

It is sad indeed that Amillennialism, Premillennialism, and Dispensationalism
repudiates the gospel victory theme of the Bible in their modern eschatological
speculations and replaces this victory theme with a defeatist scheme of the
future of the Christian Church and Human race. This paralyzes Christian cultural
efforts and eliminates the practical significance from the Christian worldview,
and gives Christians a sinful comfort in lethargy because all this Defeatism
and Doom and Gloom tends to justify social and cultural irresponsibility.
Why polish brass on a sinking ship", ask many misinformed Christians.

_____________


Here is an excellent definition of Postmillennialism:

"Postmillennialism holds that the Lord Jesus Christ established His kingdom
on earth through His preaching and redemptive work in the first century and
that He equips His church with the gospel, empowers her by the Holy Spirit,
and charges her with the Great Commission to disciple all nations.
Postmillennialism expects that eventually the vast majority of men living
will be saved. Increasing gospel success will gradually produce a time in
history prior to Christ's return in which faith, righteousness, peace, and
prosperity will prevail in the affairs of men and nations. After an extensive
era of such conditions the Lord will return visibly, bodily, and gloriously
, to end history with the general resurrection and the final Judgment
after which the eternal order follows."___ Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry.

Christianity is slowly Christianizing the world.

Christianity started small in numbers. There was a time in the 1st century
at the very beginning of Christianity when the number of Christians in the
world was less than 12. Today, some 2000 years later, there is some 2.5
billion Christians in the world. We have a name for this. We call it progress.

America today has over 1300 Evangelical mega-churches with weekly
attendance of over 2000. The Roman Catholics have over 3000 churches
with a weekly attendance of over 2000. This is Christian progress in the
world.

Christianity is growing like wildfire in the Global South. In Africa and in
the huge underground churches in China. This is more Christian progress
in the world.

■ The Lord Jesus "shall have dominion from sea to sea" Psalm 72:8
■ "The whole Earth will be filled with His glory." Psalm 72:19
■ "All the nations will call Him blessed." Psalm 72:17
■ The Lord Jesus really meant it, when He commanded His Christian
Church to "go and make disciples of all the nations." Matthew 28:19

JAG

`


As a sane and rational person I sure hope that, in the future, people become MORE intelligent and LESS religious.
 
The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations
will be successfully accomplished?
Agreed.

It's already successfully accomplished.
Interesting.

__________


Norwegen,
* Just curious, which one of these below do you hold to be rue?
* Or none of the 4 below?
* Rather some other Christian Eschatological view of the future?

* Christendom holds and presents 4 major different views of the
future of the Christian Church and the Human Race.
These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

None of those is true. I don't even know what those four views are, and I don't care, because they're not true.
There is no eschatology regarding our future.
Okay, but what did you mean when you said this:

"The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished?
It's already successfully accomplished. "____Norwegen


`
Just what I said. It's already accomplished.

Armenia, Ethiopia, the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, and on and on; Greece, Denmark, England, Iceland, Norway, Samoa, Tonga, each in due course, one after another, nation after nation, government rested on the Lord’s shoulders; nations began walking in the light of it and even kings began proclaiming it (Rv 21:24). As Zion had clamored for all along, God was rising to inherit the nations (Ps 82:8).

Okay.
Thanks for the clarification, Norwegen.


`
For more clarification, see Romans 1:8 & 16:26 and Colossians 1:5b-6 & 23.

Whether the twelve tribes or all the nations of Palestine or of the Roman Empire, we may not know, but the fact remains that the whole world, as the ancients perceived it (or Israel regarded it), heard the gospel.
 
The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations
will be successfully accomplished?
Agreed.

It's already successfully accomplished.
Interesting.

__________


Norwegen,
* Just curious, which one of these below do you hold to be rue?
* Or none of the 4 below?
* Rather some other Christian Eschatological view of the future?

* Christendom holds and presents 4 major different views of the
future of the Christian Church and the Human Race.
These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

None of those is true. I don't even know what those four views are, and I don't care, because they're not true.
There is no eschatology regarding our future.
Okay, but what did you mean when you said this:

"The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished?
It's already successfully accomplished. "____Norwegen


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Just what I said. It's already accomplished.

Armenia, Ethiopia, the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, and on and on; Greece, Denmark, England, Iceland, Norway, Samoa, Tonga, each in due course, one after another, nation after nation, government rested on the Lord’s shoulders; nations began walking in the light of it and even kings began proclaiming it (Rv 21:24). As Zion had clamored for all along, God was rising to inherit the nations (Ps 82:8).

Okay.
Thanks for the clarification, Norwegen.


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For more clarification, see Romans 1:8 & 16:26 and Colossians 1:5b-6 & 23.

Whether the twelve tribes or all the nations of Palestine or of the Roman Empire, we may not know, but the fact remains that the whole world, as the ancients perceived it (or Israel regarded it), heard the gospel.

Norwegen,

Thanks for the references.

You said:
"None of those is true. I don't even know what those four views are, and I don't care, because they're not true.
There is no eschatology regarding our future. "___Norwegen

Questions for you:

{1} How do you know none of the 4 views are not true, when you said "I don't even know what those four views are"?
{2} If you don't know what they are, you cannot possibly know they are not true, right?

{3} The word "eschatology" specifically refers to the future of Christianity in the world. So there would compellingly
have to be a Christian Eschatology, right?


You said:
"The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished?
It's already successfully accomplished. "____Norwegen

{4} So you believe the world has already been Christianized?

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JAG Writes:
What does the future hold for the Christian Church and the human race here on planet Earth?
The answer is the human race has a magnificent optimistic bright cheerful future.

The world will eventually become a Christian world. This will require many millenniums yet
to come as human history rolls forward. This does not mean that every single person on
Earth will become a Christian, rather it means that the human race, as a race, will be saved
and the vast overwhelming majority of human beings will, in the far off future, become
Christian.

The Lord Jesus' Great Commission To His Christian Church is about His Church Christianizing
the world:

The Lord Jesus told His disciples at the end of Matthew's gospel chapter 28 to go and make
disciples of all the nations. His disciples needed power to accomplish this great task. The Lord
Jesus told them what this power was. He said "all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been
given to me, therefore go and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to obey all that
I have commanded you." Matthew 28:18-20

The Lord Jesus was serious when He gave His Christian Church her Great Commission. His
Great Commission is a command and not a suggestion. Therefore His Great Commission to
go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished before He returns
to Earth to end human history -- the world will eventually become Christian. "He must reign
until He has put all his enemies under His feet." 1 Cor. 15:25
"For He (God) has put everything under His feet." 1 Cor. 15:27

The Lord Jesus right NOW is reigning as King over this entire world and He is gradually
incrementally Christianizing the entire world. Again, how long will this take? It will take
many many millenniums yet to unfold, but He will be victorious. We must be patient.
This is going to take very long time.

Meanwhile . .

Unfortunately there is a lot of Doom and Gloom and Defeatism out there inside 21st
century Christendom .

Christendom holds and presents 4 major views of the future of the Christian Church
and the Human Race.

These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

Of the 4 views only Postmillennialism presents an optimistic bright cheerful victorious
future for the Christian Church and the Human Race. The other 3 views are saturated
with Doom and Gloom and Defeatism for both the Christian Church and the Human
race.

This Opening Post is presenting some general thoughts on Postmillennialism and
Postmillennialism's optimistic view of the future.

Long live Christian optimism.

Large swaths of the Christian Church today are awash in Gloom and Doom and in
Defeatism passed off as being spiritual, when in fact the Bible teaches that the
Christian Church will be victorious. I will build my Church, said the Lord Jesus,
and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. Go and make disciples of all the
nations, said the Lord Jesus, because I have now been given all authority both in
Heaven and on Earth.

It is sad indeed that Amillennialism, Premillennialism, and Dispensationalism
repudiates the gospel victory theme of the Bible in their modern eschatological
speculations and replaces this victory theme with a defeatist scheme of the
future of the Christian Church and Human race. This paralyzes Christian cultural
efforts and eliminates the practical significance from the Christian worldview,
and gives Christians a sinful comfort in lethargy because all this Defeatism
and Doom and Gloom tends to justify social and cultural irresponsibility.
Why polish brass on a sinking ship", ask many misinformed Christians.

_____________


Here is an excellent definition of Postmillennialism:

"Postmillennialism holds that the Lord Jesus Christ established His kingdom
on earth through His preaching and redemptive work in the first century and
that He equips His church with the gospel, empowers her by the Holy Spirit,
and charges her with the Great Commission to disciple all nations.
Postmillennialism expects that eventually the vast majority of men living
will be saved. Increasing gospel success will gradually produce a time in
history prior to Christ's return in which faith, righteousness, peace, and
prosperity will prevail in the affairs of men and nations. After an extensive
era of such conditions the Lord will return visibly, bodily, and gloriously
, to end history with the general resurrection and the final Judgment
after which the eternal order follows."___ Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry.

Christianity is slowly Christianizing the world.

Christianity started small in numbers. There was a time in the 1st century
at the very beginning of Christianity when the number of Christians in the
world was less than 12. Today, some 2000 years later, there is some 2.5
billion Christians in the world. We have a name for this. We call it progress.

America today has over 1300 Evangelical mega-churches with weekly
attendance of over 2000. The Roman Catholics have over 3000 churches
with a weekly attendance of over 2000. This is Christian progress in the
world.

Christianity is growing like wildfire in the Global South. In Africa and in
the huge underground churches in China. This is more Christian progress
in the world.

■ The Lord Jesus "shall have dominion from sea to sea" Psalm 72:8
■ "The whole Earth will be filled with His glory." Psalm 72:19
■ "All the nations will call Him blessed." Psalm 72:17
■ The Lord Jesus really meant it, when He commanded His Christian
Church to "go and make disciples of all the nations." Matthew 28:19

JAG

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As a sane and rational person I sure hope that, in the future, people become MORE intelligent and LESS religious.
My view:
As a sane and rational person I sure hope that, in the future, people become more religious and more intelligent.

Here is an article written by an atheist in the very liberal The Guardian.
" I am as atheistic as it gets. But I will not be signing up to this shrill hectoring
of the religious. The new atheists have given atheism a bad name___Brendan O'Neill

I thought you might find it interesting. Give it a shot.


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The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations
will be successfully accomplished?
Agreed.

It's already successfully accomplished.
Interesting.

__________


Norwegen,
* Just curious, which one of these below do you hold to be rue?
* Or none of the 4 below?
* Rather some other Christian Eschatological view of the future?

* Christendom holds and presents 4 major different views of the
future of the Christian Church and the Human Race.
These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

None of those is true. I don't even know what those four views are, and I don't care, because they're not true.
There is no eschatology regarding our future.
Okay, but what did you mean when you said this:

"The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished?
It's already successfully accomplished. "____Norwegen


`
Just what I said. It's already accomplished.

Armenia, Ethiopia, the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, and on and on; Greece, Denmark, England, Iceland, Norway, Samoa, Tonga, each in due course, one after another, nation after nation, government rested on the Lord’s shoulders; nations began walking in the light of it and even kings began proclaiming it (Rv 21:24). As Zion had clamored for all along, God was rising to inherit the nations (Ps 82:8).

Okay.
Thanks for the clarification, Norwegen.


`
For more clarification, see Romans 1:8 & 16:26 and Colossians 1:5b-6 & 23.

Whether the twelve tribes or all the nations of Palestine or of the Roman Empire, we may not know, but the fact remains that the whole world, as the ancients perceived it (or Israel regarded it), heard the gospel.

Norwegen,

Thanks for the references.

You said:
"None of those is true. I don't even know what those four views are, and I don't care, because they're not true.
There is no eschatology regarding our future. "___Norwegen

Questions for you:

{1} How do you know none of the 4 views are not true, when you said "I don't even know what those four views are"?
{2} If you don't know what they are, you cannot possibly know they are not true, right?

{3} The word "eschatology" specifically refers to the future of Christianity in the world. So there would compellingly
have to be a Christian Eschatology, right?
I know those four views are "futurist" eschatology. I don't know their specifics or the differences between them; it doesn't interest me because they're wrong.

All was to be fulfilled in those days of vengeance (Lk 21:22), when armies surrounded Jerusalem, when Elijah came, when the temple burned down and that Age of the Law and Prophets ended. Jesus inaugurated Christianity's future when he died and inaugurated the end of that age.


You said:
"The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished?
It's already successfully accomplished. "____Norwegen

{4} So you believe the world has already been Christianized?

`
You don't see a difference between the cruciform world now and that ancient world of apostate Judaism and morally relativistic paganism?

If you are not reaping the blessings of God's kingdom that has been here since Christ's ministry, then you are missing out.
 
The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations
will be successfully accomplished?
Agreed.

It's already successfully accomplished.
Interesting.

__________


Norwegen,
* Just curious, which one of these below do you hold to be rue?
* Or none of the 4 below?
* Rather some other Christian Eschatological view of the future?

* Christendom holds and presents 4 major different views of the
future of the Christian Church and the Human Race.
These 4 views are:
(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Amillennialism
(3) Premillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

None of those is true. I don't even know what those four views are, and I don't care, because they're not true.
There is no eschatology regarding our future.
Okay, but what did you mean when you said this:

"The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished?
It's already successfully accomplished. "____Norwegen


`
Just what I said. It's already accomplished.

Armenia, Ethiopia, the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, and on and on; Greece, Denmark, England, Iceland, Norway, Samoa, Tonga, each in due course, one after another, nation after nation, government rested on the Lord’s shoulders; nations began walking in the light of it and even kings began proclaiming it (Rv 21:24). As Zion had clamored for all along, God was rising to inherit the nations (Ps 82:8).

Okay.
Thanks for the clarification, Norwegen.


`
For more clarification, see Romans 1:8 & 16:26 and Colossians 1:5b-6 & 23.

Whether the twelve tribes or all the nations of Palestine or of the Roman Empire, we may not know, but the fact remains that the whole world, as the ancients perceived it (or Israel regarded it), heard the gospel.

Norwegen,

Thanks for the references.

You said:
"None of those is true. I don't even know what those four views are, and I don't care, because they're not true.
There is no eschatology regarding our future. "___Norwegen

Questions for you:

{1} How do you know none of the 4 views are not true, when you said "I don't even know what those four views are"?
{2} If you don't know what they are, you cannot possibly know they are not true, right?

{3} The word "eschatology" specifically refers to the future of Christianity in the world. So there would compellingly
have to be a Christian Eschatology, right?
I know those four views are "futurist" eschatology. I don't know their specifics or the differences between them; it doesn't interest me because they're wrong.

All was to be fulfilled in those days of vengeance (Lk 21:22), when armies surrounded Jerusalem, when Elijah came, when the temple burned down and that Age of the Law and Prophets ended. Jesus inaugurated Christianity's future when he died and inaugurated the end of that age.


You said:
"The Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations will be successfully accomplished?
It's already successfully accomplished. "____Norwegen

{4} So you believe the world has already been Christianized?

`
You don't see a difference between the cruciform world now and that ancient world of apostate Judaism and morally relativistic paganism?

If you are not reaping the blessings of God's kingdom that has been here since Christ's ministry, then you are missing out.

Norwegen,
Thank you for taking the time to explain.
I think I understand your position.

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It would be wonderful if the world became truly,
sincerely Christian.
Indeed it would.

If it merely adopts one of the defective cults, not so much.
Agreed.

It would be wonderful if it became sincerely Buddhist.
Buddhism does not offer a solution to the the problem of
Death. The solution to the Death problem is eternal life.
John 3:16 solves the Death problem.


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The subject was the 'world' turning. As for 'afterlife', that will take care of itself.
 

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