The War is Entirely on Putin

[Toro]

Despite what the Russian trolls - new and old - weird, sad Putin apologists - ie Sunni Man & theHawk - and The Blame America First crowd say, this war is not on the West, NATO, or anyone else other than Putin.

Great article on why blaming the West is wrong.

It would be silly and presumptuous to argue that the West, and the United States in particular, has never made mistakes with regard to Russia. But the idea that NATO enlargement and other Western policies threatened Russia’s legitimate security interests and ultimately either baited or cornered Putin into striking out at Ukraine is wrongheaded. The claim can easily devolve into an exercise in apologetics on Putin’s behalf, even when it’s not intended as such. It also perpetuates the illiberal idea that Russia is entitled to submissive neighbors—a notion that will not bother Hanania or Mearsheimer but should bother anyone concerned with progressive, classically conservative, or libertarian values.​

Putin’s Bogus Blame-NATO Excuse - The Bulwark

The foolishness of accusing the West of practically forcing Russia to invade Ukraine.

www.thebulwark.com

 

[TNHarley]

Of course its on him

 

[Donald H]

Despite what the Russian trolls - new and old - weird, sad Putin apologists - ie Sunni Man & theHawk - and The Blame America First crowd say, this war is not on the West, NATO, or anyone else other than Putin.

Great article on why blaming the West is wrong.

It would be silly and presumptuous to argue that the West, and the United States in particular, has never made mistakes with regard to Russia. But the idea that NATO enlargement and other Western policies threatened Russia’s legitimate security interests and ultimately either baited or cornered Putin into striking out at Ukraine is wrongheaded. The claim can easily devolve into an exercise in apologetics on Putin’s behalf, even when it’s not intended as such. It also perpetuates the illiberal idea that Russia is entitled to submissive neighbors—a notion that will not bother Hanania or Mearsheimer but should bother anyone concerned with progressive, classically conservative, or libertarian values.​

Putin’s Bogus Blame-NATO Excuse - The Bulwark

The foolishness of accusing the West of practically forcing Russia to invade Ukraine.

www.thebulwark.com

It's just that America has been allowed to have so many wars of aggression, and so some people think that Russia should be allowed at least this one?

And hey, Russia or China didn't threaten nuclear war on America because of the Vietnam war, the two iraq wars, the Afghanistan war and etc., etc. wars.

Be reasonable for the sake of the Ukrainian people who are the pawns in the game.

 

[Sunni Man]

An excellent article on the complicity of the U.S. and its NATO partners in the EU misled the Ukraine government and provoked Putin into taking military action.

Ukraine’s Deadly Gamble

By tying itself to a reckless and dangerous America, the Ukrainians made a blunder that client states will study for years to come

www.tabletmag.com

 

[Donald H]

An excellent article on the complicity of the U.S. and its NATO partners in the EU misled the Ukraine government and provoked Putin into taking military action.

Ukraine’s Deadly Gamble

By tying itself to a reckless and dangerous America, the Ukrainians made a blunder that client states will study for years to come

www.tabletmag.com

I read it earlier and it's one of several with the same talking points.

It's always worth reading alternative explanations in order to keep oneself thinking realistically.

 

[Votto]

Of course its on him

Nope, it's Trump's fault.

Besides, January 6th.

 

[TNHarley]

Nope, it's Trump's fault.

Besides, January 6th.

Pretty sure i have seen more people blame him than anyone else.
But dont expect toro to post a thread about that lol

 

[SavannahMann]

It's just that America has been allowed to have so many wars of aggression, and so some people think that Russia should be allowed at least this one?

And hey, Russia or China didn't threaten nuclear war on America because of the Vietnam war, the two iraq wars, the Afghanistan war and etc., etc. wars.

Be reasonable for the sake of the Ukrainian people who are the pawns in the game.

Ok. Let’s contrast and compare. Each time America went out and explained why they were going to war. Before the event.

Afghanistan took a few weeks of laying out evidence to the world. Iraq was months of debate with America never lying and saying they were not going to invade.

Go back further. Desert Shield/Storm. Again the explanation and never did they say there would be no hostilities when the plan was different.

Somalia. An explanation before sending the first troops in.

Before. Always before with a few exceptions. Panama. Grenada.

In the Nineties we had troops in the air and were warning Haiti they were coming and this was his last chance. That culminated the months of diplomacy.

But the major events. Those were laid out for the world for days, weeks, or even months ahead of time.

We had a coalition of First World Nations alongside us. We acted with the sanctions of a Governing body. The UN most of the time.

By comparison. Putin lied up to the hour after the invasion started. Then he made his announcement. He didn’t seek UN approval. He never made the case why War was necessary. He never provided evidence for his assertions.

Yes. The US was wrong to ship weapons to Libya. I have said so many times. It was one of the reasons I would never vote for Hillary. I’ve said that many times. Yes we were wrong to get Syria wound up. I said so then. I have said so many times since.

But Ukraine is very different. This isn’t a few dozen advisors with truck loads of weapons. This is a flat out invasion. After days and weeks of denying that any Invasion would happen.

Imagine that in any other scenario. Imagine your Friend finds his wife cheating on him. She says it was his fault. And she is going to keep cheating. And if he does anything to try and stop her she will ruin him. He would be in an attorneys office ten seconds after they opened.

You would go and stand by your friend. You wouldn’t abandon him.

We can not. We must not stand by and let this happen without lifting a finger. We invite it again and again if we do nothing. This is the world of our Great Great Grandfathers. It isn’t the world we demand of today. When leaders believed they had the Divine Right of Kings. And could do whatever they wanted without any price to be paid.

 

[wamose]

I never trusted Putin but I never really knew much about him either. Now, I think he deserves to die a miserable death. The Russian people deserve better but then again, so do we.

 

[Lastamender]

Despite what the Russian trolls - new and old - weird, sad Putin apologists - ie Sunni Man & theHawk - and The Blame America First crowd say, this war is not on the West, NATO, or anyone else other than Putin.

Great article on why blaming the West is wrong.

It would be silly and presumptuous to argue that the West, and the United States in particular, has never made mistakes with regard to Russia. But the idea that NATO enlargement and other Western policies threatened Russia’s legitimate security interests and ultimately either baited or cornered Putin into striking out at Ukraine is wrongheaded. The claim can easily devolve into an exercise in apologetics on Putin’s behalf, even when it’s not intended as such. It also perpetuates the illiberal idea that Russia is entitled to submissive neighbors—a notion that will not bother Hanania or Mearsheimer but should bother anyone concerned with progressive, classically conservative, or libertarian values.​

Putin’s Bogus Blame-NATO Excuse - The Bulwark

The foolishness of accusing the West of practically forcing Russia to invade Ukraine.

www.thebulwark.com

Distraction is in warp speed. Nothing to see here 66,000 deaths from the vaccine, open borders, and rampant lawlessness. Fuck the Ukraine and your propaganda.

 

[Toro]

Distraction is in warp speed. Nothing to see here 66,000 deaths from the vaccine, open borders, and rampant lawlessness. Fuck the Ukraine and your propaganda.

Keep clinging, Lastdeadender.

LOL

 

[SmokeALib]

No shit?

 

[Lastamender]

Keep clinging, Lastdeadender.

LOL

Clinging to what? What about this country? This is a dog and pony show. No one gives a fuck about Ukrainians. It is virtue signaling from the morally bankrupt and meant to distract and even consume the gullible. You are of the gullible.

 

[Toro]

Clinging to what? What about this country? This is a dog and pony show. No one gives a fuck about Ukrainians. It is virtue signaling from the morally bankrupt.

This country is fine. It's YOU who is the loser. But you keep wanting to blame others for your failings.

We used to put you to the side. But now that we have become a bunch of liberal pansies, we have to hear about your "feelings."

You lost. Suck it up, buttercup.

 

[Lastamender]

This country is fine. It's YOU who is the loser.

But you keep wanting to blame others for your failings.

The country is fine? You lying asshole.

 

[Winco]

Nothing to see here 66,000 deaths from the vaccine,

Link?????

I'm too lazy to search for your link, but since you have that info, just post the link.

 

[Toro]

The country is fine? You lying asshole.

Your failings at life are not the failings of the country, loser.

 

[Lastamender]

Your failings at life are not the failings of the country, loser.

The country is failing. The policies you back are driving the failure. That is why you are blaming Russia again.

 

[Lastamender]

Link?????

I'm too lazy to search for your link, but since you have that info, just post the link.

65,615 Deaths Now Reported in Europe and the USA Following COVID-19 Vaccines – Corporate Media Refuses to Publish this Data - Medical Kidnap

Here at the beginning of March, 2022, official government health statistics in Europe and the United States are reporting that 65,615 people have now died following COVID-19 injections. These are "passive" reporting systems, so the true lives lost is much higher. One study estimates that the...

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[Winco]

65,615 Deaths Now Reported in Europe and the USA Following COVID-19 Vaccines – Corporate Media Refuses to Publish this Data - Medical Kidnap

Here at the beginning of March, 2022, official government health statistics in Europe and the United States are reporting that 65,615 people have now died following COVID-19 injections. These are "passive" reporting systems, so the true lives lost is much higher. One study estimates that the...

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Scary Reports of Deaths Following COVID-19 Vaccination Aren’t What They Seem

Intentional misrepresentation of data aims to dissuade people from getting COVID-19 vaccination.

www.muhealth.org

Since December 2020, more than 469 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine have been administered in the U.S., and VAERS has received 10,483 reports of death (0.0022%), according to the CDC. (Numbers as of Dec. 29, 2021.)

However, that statistic offers no insight into the cause of death for those people. If a 90-year-old nursing home resident got the vaccine and then died days, weeks or even months later of another ailment, the resident’s death would be reported to VAERS.

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