Putin Warns Ukraine’s Use of Long-Range Weapons Would Put NATO ‘At War’ with Russia

Agreed. It was a disgrace
What is disgrace is how the West fails in its foreign policy for the last 30 years. The Iraq and Afghan campaigns that turned out to be disaster for these states and the region. Failed proxy wars in Syria and Libya.

The wars in Ossetia and Donbas when the Wast just had to recognize the status quo imposed by the Russians.

Is the current Russia-Ukraine war supposed to end up differently, by some miracle? Hardly. All of its developments just cry that it will be another failure for the West.
 
No, because that state-of-affairs no longer exists. Weaponry is flowing freely now.
The opposite is taking place. The major supporters are actually decreasing their support. I posted a lot of info about this.


Wrong. It is about stopping that piece-of-$hit ex-KGB monster who thinks he can invade his neighbors and annex their land.[/SIZE]
Its what they tell you. But it is them who took over Ukraine ten years ago in a putsch and prepared the current situation since then.
They watched the other way, when Ukraine violated the Minsk II ceasefire on a large scale, thus literally forced Russia to intervene:

 
What is disgrace is how the West fails in its foreign policy for the last 30 years. The Iraq and Afghan campaigns that turned out to be disaster for these states and the region. Failed proxy wars in Syria and Libya.

The wars in Ossetia and Donbas when the Wast just had to recognize the status quo imposed by the Russians.

Is the current Russia-Ukraine war supposed to end up differently, by some miracle? Hardly. All of its developments just cry that it will be another failure for the West.
I don´t think we can talk about failures. Syria for example. They only failed if it was really about removing Assad. But they were not even at war with Syria. It is similar to the current war. If it was only about weakening Syria, destroying it, they actually accomplished their mission. That´s what they do. Maintaining dominance by throwing countries into the abyss. Outcome of the war? Doesn´t matter at all.
 
I don´t think we can talk about failures. Syria for example. They only failed if it was really about removing Assad. But they were not even at war with Syria. It is similar to the current war. If it was only about weakening Syria, destroying it, they actually accomplished their mission. That´s what they do. Maintaining dominance by throwing countries into the abyss. Outcome of the war? Doesn´t matter at all.
I think that the goal in Syria was removing Assad. And they would have achieved that goal relatively quickly had Iran and Russia not directly intervened to prop him up.

But yes, weakening and disintegration of the region is the main goal of the American government. And they achieved that for now.

The same is going on in Europe. Weakening Europe and Russia by this war, and tieing the European continent to American-led institutions.

But the policy of 'controlled chaos' plays against its masters. Societies as a whole are longing for stability and seek those powers that can provide it. And that is why Taliban is becoming a partner for the regional nations, the Iraqi government is keen on cooperation with Iran, the Gulf monarchies are trying to pursue their own policy without its former main ally. The Americans are losing their influence worldwide and I see nothing that can reverse this trend.
 
Then this doesn't work. Since 2014 he only adds to his territory.
Well then we'll just have to keep trying until you run out of stupid Serfs willing to die with pitchforks in hand for their Tsar...
 
What is disgrace is how the West fails in its foreign policy for the last 30 years. The Iraq and Afghan campaigns that turned out to be disaster for these states and the region. Failed proxy wars in Syria and Libya.
Yep. That too.
The wars in Ossetia and Donbas when the Wast just had to recognize the status quo imposed by the Russians.
IMPOSED by the Russians? Who died and appointed YOU God to make such demands while on other people's land?
Is the current Russia-Ukraine war supposed to end up differently, by some miracle? Hardly. All of its developments just cry that it will be another failure for the West.
Then we'll just have to keep trying and giving Ukrainians ammunition to kill Russian Invaders until we get it right... :auiqs.jpg:
 
Well then we'll just have to keep trying until you run out of stupid Serfs willing to die with pitchforks in hand for their Tsar...
You seem to still cannot grasp that Ukrainians have far fewer serfs than Russians do.
 
IMPOSED by the Russians? Who died and appointed YOU God to make such demands while on other people's land?
They installed their puppet governments there. Largely supported by the local population. And you could do nothing with that.


Then we'll just have to keep trying and giving Ukrainians ammunition to kill Russian Invaders until we get it right... :auiqs.jpg:
You can do nothing right. You will always fuck things up.
 
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I think that the goal in Syria was removing Assad. And they would have achieved that goal relatively quickly had Iran and Russia not directly intervened to prop him up.

But yes, weakening and disintegration of the region is the main goal of the American government. And they achieved that for now.

The same is going on in Europe. Weakening Europe and Russia by this war, and tieing the European continent to American-led institutions.

But the policy of 'controlled chaos' plays against its masters. Societies as a whole are longing for stability and seek those powers that can provide it. And that is why Taliban is becoming a partner for the regional nations, the Iraqi government is keen on cooperation with Iran, the Gulf monarchies are trying to pursue their own policy without its former main ally. The Americans are losing their influence worldwide and I see nothing that can reverse this trend.
Yes, that strategy backfires and people like Taliban better than East Coast. All these small countries don´t coun´t, though. The US doesn´t depend on them.
In Syria they fought the "Shiite Crescent", Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. Its the countries they want influence, respective weaken. With islamist gangs they can cause great mischief at incredibly low cost. That means they cannot lose. The stake is too low. Its like I am throwing a cent away.

From 2007:
"In the past few months, as the situation in Iraq has deteriorated, the Bush Administration, in both its public diplomacy and its covert operations, has significantly shifted its Middle East strategy. The “redirection,” as some inside the White House have called the new strategy, has brought the United States closer to an open confrontation with Iran and, in parts of the region, propelled it into a widening sectarian conflict between Shiite and Sunni Muslims.

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda."
 
You seem to still cannot grasp that Ukrainians have far fewer serfs than Russians do.
So long as they keep up a high kill ratio in their favor they're still going to kick your nasty Russian a$$...

The West can help them to do that and it is in both their and our best interest to continue doing just that...

You do not frighten us...
 
Looks like normal people to me. This is better than some LGBTQ+ manifestation.
I remember seeing a picture of a group of normal, laughing girls. Not LBGT looking at all, on the contrary, all in nice uniforms. They were employees of the Auschwitz extermination camp.
 
They installed their puppet governments there. Largely supported by the local population. And you could do nothing with that.



You can do nothing right. You will always fuck things up.
Like I said... we'll just have to keep trying... and helping them achieve a highly favorable kill ratio... until that changes...
 
Yes, that strategy backfires and people like Taliban better than East Coast. All these small countries don´t coun´t, though. The US doesn´t depend on them.
In Syria they fought the "Shiite Crescent", Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. Its the countries they want influence, respective weaken. With islamist gangs they can cause great mischief at incredibly low cost. That means they cannot lose. The stake is too low. Its like I am throwing a cent away.

From 2007:
"In the past few months, as the situation in Iraq has deteriorated, the Bush Administration, in both its public diplomacy and its covert operations, has significantly shifted its Middle East strategy. The “redirection,” as some inside the White House have called the new strategy, has brought the United States closer to an open confrontation with Iran and, in parts of the region, propelled it into a widening sectarian conflict between Shiite and Sunni Muslims.

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda."
I think one thing significantly changed since 2007 when the article was written. Saudi Arabia is no longer keen to follow American policy in the region.
 
So long as they keep up a high kill ratio in their favor they're still going to kick your nasty Russian a$$...

The West can help them to do that and it is in both their and our best interest to continue doing just that...

You do not frighten us...
This 'kill ratio' is the result of the Western MSM propaganda. No one among the wide public knows what the real figures are. I don't believe that Ukraine has much lower numbers than Russia. The best interest of Ukraine is to stop this war as soon as possible.
 
You tell 'em, Tvaritch... :laughing0301:
No worries, they have a long and successful history of you folks making a fool of yourselves - Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria. Ukraine will be the same story of your success.
 
I think that the goal in Syria was removing Assad. And they would have achieved that goal relatively quickly had Iran and Russia not directly intervened to prop him up.

But yes, weakening and disintegration of the region is the main goal of the American government. And they achieved that for now.

The same is going on in Europe. Weakening Europe and Russia by this war, and tieing the European continent to American-led institutions.

But the policy of 'controlled chaos' plays against its masters. Societies as a whole are longing for stability and seek those powers that can provide it. And that is why Taliban is becoming a partner for the regional nations, the Iraqi government is keen on cooperation with Iran, the Gulf monarchies are trying to pursue their own policy without its former main ally. The Americans are losing their influence worldwide and I see nothing that can reverse this trend.
Who the F.. are they to remove anyone? the fact is those evil bastards in Washington and their vassals have supported some of the worst Islamist terrorists we have seen against Syria, if Russia had not intervened the black flag of ISIS would be flying in Damascus right now with severed heads on every street.
 
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