The USA divided into 3 distinct groups

[MaryL]

What I have noticed is with Trump people’s issues for the most part is about his style and personality not the substance of his polices where with Sanders people like his style and personality but have major issues with his policies.

Um you lost me...there is the democrats that pander to criminals, there is the Republicans that want to shut that down . And there is the deniers. See nothing hear nothing think no evil....

 

[ElmerMudd]

The USA divided into 3 distinct groups

1 - The Bernie Sanders whacked out socialists

2 - The Donald Trump whacked out cult of reactionaries

3 - Normal people

The majority of the US population are normal but the whackos are winning in politics.

The USA divided into 3 distinct groups

1 - The Bernie Sanders whacked out socialists

2 - The Donald Trump whacked out cult of reactionaries

3 - Normal people

The majority of the US population are normal but the whackos are winning in politics.

and why do you think that is Elmer?...just curious......i think its because there to many die hard party people on both sides....the far lefts motto..."if you dont like what i like,if you dont think like i think....**** you".......the far rights motto......"if you dont like what i like,if you dont think like i think....**** you"....2 sides that seems to hate each other,but yet are so alike its uncanny....

The USA divided into 3 distinct groups
1 - The Bernie Sanders whacked out socialists
2 - The Donald Trump whacked out cult of reactionaries
3 - Normal people
The majority of the US population are normal but the whackos are winning in politics.

And, bingo.

The nutters are just LOUDER, so they get the attention and therefore command the influence.

.

There is nothing complex about the division....This is way simpler than you fellas think...The push to take ******'s country from ****** has finally occurred to ******....Multiculturalism doesn't ******* work...PERIOD!

The statement of a white supremacist who supports Trump.
All supporters of Trump are not white supremacists but all white supremacists support Trump.

 

[toobfreak]

The USA divided into 3 distinct groups
1 - The Bernie Sanders whacked out socialists
2 - The Donald Trump whacked out cult of reactionaries
3 - Normal people
The majority of the US population are normal but the whackos are winning in politics.

And, bingo.

The nutters are just LOUDER, so they get the attention and therefore command the influence.

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Interesting chart, Mac, too bad it is all fantasy. If it were true, then the VAST majority of people would all be in the middle of the undecided saying Shut Up and voting their sane conscience for sane officials and the extreme wingnuts would have little voice or vote.

BUT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY.

BTW, I'm a fairly moderate person leaning conservative (I have a moral/social conscience), yet you call ME a Nutter!

Last but not least, your chart implies that both pure conservatism and liberalism are WRONG, and that the ideal view of the vast majority is to be undecided, not sure if they are really conservative or liberal!

That's not the world we actually live in.

But I agree: the best ticket is to be faithful to the Law and the Founders of a Constitutional Representative Republic, which includes rights for both the majority and minority, the rich and powerful and the weak.

Now tell me which candidate out there really most practically represents a REAL, PRACTICAL potential of reaching, protecting and delivering that goal?

 

[Mac1958]

The USA divided into 3 distinct groups
1 - The Bernie Sanders whacked out socialists
2 - The Donald Trump whacked out cult of reactionaries
3 - Normal people
The majority of the US population are normal but the whackos are winning in politics.

And, bingo.

The nutters are just LOUDER, so they get the attention and therefore command the influence.

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Interesting chart, Mac, too bad it is all fantasy. If it were true, then the VAST majority of people would all be in the middle of the undecided saying Shut Up and voting their sane conscience for sane officials and the extreme wingnuts would have little voice or vote.

BUT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY.

BTW, I'm a fairly moderate person leaning conservative (I have a moral/social conscience), yet you call ME a Nutter!

Last but not least, your chart implies that both pure conservatism and liberalism are WRONG, and that the ideal view of the vast majority is to be undecided, not sure if they are really conservative or liberal!

That's not the world we actually live in.

But I agree: the best ticket is to be faithful to the Law and the Founders of a Constitutional Representative Republic, which includes rights for both the majority and minority, the rich and powerful and the weak.

Now tell me which candidate out there really most practically represents a REAL, PRACTICAL potential of reaching, protecting and delivering that goal?

What you folks don't understand is that being a nutter is not about issues, but about behaviors.

I'm tired of trying to explain the obvious here, of having to dumb things down. Figure it out yourself.

I have no doubt that picking a tribe and sticking with it no matter what, makes everything real easy 'n stuff. But it's intellectually lazy, and it's cowardly.
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[Mac1958]

The USA divided into 3 distinct groups

1 - The Bernie Sanders whacked out socialists

2 - The Donald Trump whacked out cult of reactionaries

3 - Normal people

The majority of the US population are normal but the whackos are winning in politics.

3 - Normal people

Bullshit

what you mean is people with a fence post up their ass cause they cant make a decision

Lol. Yeah, well, you're not doing anything to sway me to your tribe. So, keep up the great work!

I wish I knew how to reach the Tweeners

but they are too smug and too convinced that they are better than everyone else

Tweeners certainly think they are better than slobs like me who may not have all the answers but at least unlike you I am try to do something

I have no idea what the hell you're attempting to say, for one. What make you believe I'm not 'try to do something'? Maybe your sheer arrogance turns me off.

I think you think you are doing something by sitting on the fence

But you cant actually DO ANYTHING because you detest both of the major parties who are going to rule

so what is your plan?

to remain pure till Mr Wonderful comes along and takes you to the political alter?

I have news for you

It aint gonna happen

you will stay on the fence without ever being a player unless you pick a side

We HAVE picked a side. We're against the fundamentalists on both ends of the spectrum who are wrecking this country as we speak.

As a result, we're happy to take incoming from both ends. We don't need to hide in an ideological Safe Space and fling poo like a coward.

You folks, both ends, lack the BALLS to hold your own end accountable for ANYTHING. Okay, then WE'LL do it. At least we'll TRY.
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[Mac-7]

3 - Normal people

Bullshit

what you mean is people with a fence post up their ass cause they cant make a decision

Lol. Yeah, well, you're not doing anything to sway me to your tribe. So, keep up the great work!

I wish I knew how to reach the Tweeners

but they are too smug and too convinced that they are better than everyone else

Tweeners certainly think they are better than slobs like me who may not have all the answers but at least unlike you I am try to do something

I have no idea what the hell you're attempting to say, for one. What make you believe I'm not 'try to do something'? Maybe your sheer arrogance turns me off.

I think you think you are doing something by sitting on the fence

But you cant actually DO ANYTHING because you detest both of the major parties who are going to rule

so what is your plan?

to remain pure till Mr Wonderful comes along and takes you to the political alter?

I have news for you

It aint gonna happen

you will stay on the fence without ever being a player unless you pick a side

We HAVE picked a side. We're against the fundamentalists on both ends of the spectrum who are wrecking this country as we speak.

As a result, we're happy to take incoming from both ends. We don't need to hide in an ideological Safe Space and fling poo like a coward.

You folks, both ends, lack the BALLS to hold your own end accountable for ANYTHING. Okay, then WE'LL do it. At least we'll TRY.
.

The problem is that your side is all talk

for better or worse republican voters elected a president

and the dems are doing everything in their power to elect one of their socialist slugs to replace him

but you are neither fish nor fowl

which makes you meaningless

 

[Mac1958]

Lol. Yeah, well, you're not doing anything to sway me to your tribe. So, keep up the great work!

I wish I knew how to reach the Tweeners

but they are too smug and too convinced that they are better than everyone else

Tweeners certainly think they are better than slobs like me who may not have all the answers but at least unlike you I am try to do something

I have no idea what the hell you're attempting to say, for one. What make you believe I'm not 'try to do something'? Maybe your sheer arrogance turns me off.

I think you think you are doing something by sitting on the fence

But you cant actually DO ANYTHING because you detest both of the major parties who are going to rule

so what is your plan?

to remain pure till Mr Wonderful comes along and takes you to the political alter?

I have news for you

It aint gonna happen

you will stay on the fence without ever being a player unless you pick a side

We HAVE picked a side. We're against the fundamentalists on both ends of the spectrum who are wrecking this country as we speak.

As a result, we're happy to take incoming from both ends. We don't need to hide in an ideological Safe Space and fling poo like a coward.

You folks, both ends, lack the BALLS to hold your own end accountable for ANYTHING. Okay, then WE'LL do it. At least we'll TRY.
.

The problem is that your side is all talk

for better or worse republican voters elected a president

and the dems are doing everything in their power to elect one of their socialist slugs to replace him

but you are neither fish nor fowl

which makes you meaningless

Could be. Right now you folks, on the ends, are getting all the attention and have all the influence.

We'll stick to our principles and refuse to be obedient sheep. It's worth trying.
.

 

[Mac-7]

I wish I knew how to reach the Tweeners

but they are too smug and too convinced that they are better than everyone else

Tweeners certainly think they are better than slobs like me who may not have all the answers but at least unlike you I am try to do something

I have no idea what the hell you're attempting to say, for one. What make you believe I'm not 'try to do something'? Maybe your sheer arrogance turns me off.

I think you think you are doing something by sitting on the fence

But you cant actually DO ANYTHING because you detest both of the major parties who are going to rule

so what is your plan?

to remain pure till Mr Wonderful comes along and takes you to the political alter?

I have news for you

It aint gonna happen

you will stay on the fence without ever being a player unless you pick a side

We HAVE picked a side. We're against the fundamentalists on both ends of the spectrum who are wrecking this country as we speak.

As a result, we're happy to take incoming from both ends. We don't need to hide in an ideological Safe Space and fling poo like a coward.

You folks, both ends, lack the BALLS to hold your own end accountable for ANYTHING. Okay, then WE'LL do it. At least we'll TRY.
.

The problem is that your side is all talk

for better or worse republican voters elected a president

and the dems are doing everything in their power to elect one of their socialist slugs to replace him

but you are neither fish nor fowl

which makes you meaningless

Could be. Right now you folks, on the ends, are getting all the attention and have all the influence.

We'll stick to our principles and refuse to be obedient sheep. It's worth trying.
.

Right now?

its been this way since the founding

but I guess some people would rather just complain

 

[Mac-7]

I have no idea what the hell you're attempting to say, for one. What make you believe I'm not 'try to do something'? Maybe your sheer arrogance turns me off.

I think you think you are doing something by sitting on the fence

But you cant actually DO ANYTHING because you detest both of the major parties who are going to rule

so what is your plan?

to remain pure till Mr Wonderful comes along and takes you to the political alter?

I have news for you

It aint gonna happen

you will stay on the fence without ever being a player unless you pick a side

We HAVE picked a side. We're against the fundamentalists on both ends of the spectrum who are wrecking this country as we speak.

As a result, we're happy to take incoming from both ends. We don't need to hide in an ideological Safe Space and fling poo like a coward.

You folks, both ends, lack the BALLS to hold your own end accountable for ANYTHING. Okay, then WE'LL do it. At least we'll TRY.
.

The problem is that your side is all talk

for better or worse republican voters elected a president

and the dems are doing everything in their power to elect one of their socialist slugs to replace him

but you are neither fish nor fowl

which makes you meaningless

Could be. Right now you folks, on the ends, are getting all the attention and have all the influence.

We'll stick to our principles and refuse to be obedient sheep. It's worth trying.
.

Right now?

its been this way since the founding

but I guess some people would rather just complain

Btw, just out of curiosity what are your principles that are so unique and better than everyone else?

 

[Mac1958]

I have no idea what the hell you're attempting to say, for one. What make you believe I'm not 'try to do something'? Maybe your sheer arrogance turns me off.

I think you think you are doing something by sitting on the fence

But you cant actually DO ANYTHING because you detest both of the major parties who are going to rule

so what is your plan?

to remain pure till Mr Wonderful comes along and takes you to the political alter?

I have news for you

It aint gonna happen

you will stay on the fence without ever being a player unless you pick a side

We HAVE picked a side. We're against the fundamentalists on both ends of the spectrum who are wrecking this country as we speak.

As a result, we're happy to take incoming from both ends. We don't need to hide in an ideological Safe Space and fling poo like a coward.

You folks, both ends, lack the BALLS to hold your own end accountable for ANYTHING. Okay, then WE'LL do it. At least we'll TRY.
.

The problem is that your side is all talk

for better or worse republican voters elected a president

and the dems are doing everything in their power to elect one of their socialist slugs to replace him

but you are neither fish nor fowl

which makes you meaningless

Could be. Right now you folks, on the ends, are getting all the attention and have all the influence.

We'll stick to our principles and refuse to be obedient sheep. It's worth trying.
.

Right now?

its been this way since the founding

but I guess some people would rather just complain

No it hasn't. I hear that one -- from both sides -- as an excuse, too.

If you folks -- on both ends -- don't have the balls to hold your side accountable, we'll do it.

Worth a try.
.

 

[Mac1958]

Btw, just out of curiosity what are your principles that are so unique and better than everyone else?

There's more of me than there are of you. So I would ask YOU that.

Why do you think you and your tribe have all the answers? What ego that must take.
.

 

[Mac-7]

We HAVE picked a side. We're against the fundamentalists on both ends of the spectrum who are wrecking this country as we speak.

As a result, we're happy to take incoming from both ends. We don't need to hide in an ideological Safe Space and fling poo like a coward.

You folks, both ends, lack the BALLS to hold your own end accountable for ANYTHING. Okay, then WE'LL do it. At least we'll TRY.
.

The problem is that your side is all talk

for better or worse republican voters elected a president

and the dems are doing everything in their power to elect one of their socialist slugs to replace him

but you are neither fish nor fowl

which makes you meaningless

Could be. Right now you folks, on the ends, are getting all the attention and have all the influence.

We'll stick to our principles and refuse to be obedient sheep. It's worth trying.
.

Right now?

its been this way since the founding

but I guess some people would rather just complain

Btw, just out of curiosity what are your principles that are so unique and better than everyone else?

There's more of me than there are of you. So I would ask YOU that.

Why do you think you and your tribe have all the answers? What ego that must take.
.

I asked you first

dont dodge the question

just answer if you can

 

[Mac1958]

The problem is that your side is all talk

for better or worse republican voters elected a president

and the dems are doing everything in their power to elect one of their socialist slugs to replace him

but you are neither fish nor fowl

which makes you meaningless

Could be. Right now you folks, on the ends, are getting all the attention and have all the influence.

We'll stick to our principles and refuse to be obedient sheep. It's worth trying.
.

Right now?

its been this way since the founding

but I guess some people would rather just complain

Btw, just out of curiosity what are your principles that are so unique and better than everyone else?

There's more of me than there are of you. So I would ask YOU that.

Why do you think you and your tribe have all the answers? What ego that must take.
.

I asked you first

dont dodge the question

just answer if you can

Boy, I do try to keep this stuff simple.

I don't think my views are unique, and I'm certainly not better than everyone else. And this is proven by the fact that there are far more of me than there are of you.

You and your tribe think that you have the answers, that you know what's best for the rest of us.

What makes you so special, to think something like that?
,

 

[Rigby5]

Why would anyone consider socialism to be at all "extreme"?
Absolutely everything any government ever does is socialism.
No government ever does anything for profits.
Whether it is building roads, harbors, schools, libraries, fighting fires, fighting crime, defense, etc., it is never for profit, and is always socialism.

The only thing that is remotely controversial about Sanders is whether or not government should be involved with health care, and I think it is pretty obvious it should.
Do we want people to die on the streets because they can't afford health care?
Before 1957, there was public health care available to everyone who could not afford private health care, and almost no one had insurance.
Why all the fuss about going back to what obviously worked better?

 

[Mac-7]

Could be. Right now you folks, on the ends, are getting all the attention and have all the influence.

We'll stick to our principles and refuse to be obedient sheep. It's worth trying.
.

Right now?

its been this way since the founding

but I guess some people would rather just complain

Btw, just out of curiosity what are your principles that are so unique and better than everyone else?

There's more of me than there are of you. So I would ask YOU that.

Why do you think you and your tribe have all the answers? What ego that must take.
.

I asked you first

dont dodge the question

just answer if you can

Boy, I do try to keep this stuff simple.

I don't think my views are unique, and I'm certainly not better than everyone else. And this is proven by the fact that there are far more of me than there are of you.

You and your tribe think that you have the answers, that you know what's best for the rest of us.

What makes you so special, to think something like that?
,

I don't think my views are unique, and I'm certainly not better than everyone else.

you act as if you think you are better

you cant soil your hands a join a party that will run the country because repubs or even dems are not good enough for you

 

[Mac1958]

Right now?

its been this way since the founding

but I guess some people would rather just complain

Btw, just out of curiosity what are your principles that are so unique and better than everyone else?

There's more of me than there are of you. So I would ask YOU that.

Why do you think you and your tribe have all the answers? What ego that must take.
.

I asked you first

dont dodge the question

just answer if you can

Boy, I do try to keep this stuff simple.

I don't think my views are unique, and I'm certainly not better than everyone else. And this is proven by the fact that there are far more of me than there are of you.

You and your tribe think that you have the answers, that you know what's best for the rest of us.

What makes you so special, to think something like that?
,

I don't think my views are unique, and I'm certainly not better than everyone else.

you act as if you think you are better

you cant soil your hands a join a party that will run the country because repubs or even dems are not good enough for you

I'm just not an obedient sheep. There's nothing I can do about you. This is boring. You've made your "point".
.

 

[Mac-7]

Why would anyone consider socialism to be at all "extreme"?
Absolutely everything any government ever does is socialism.
No government ever does anything for profits.
Whether it is building roads, harbors, schools, libraries, fighting fires, fighting crime, defense, etc., it is never for profit, and is always socialism.

The only thing that is remotely controversial about Sanders is whether or not government should be involved with health care, and I think it is pretty obvious it should.
Do we want people to die on the streets because they can't afford health care?
Before 1957, there was public health care available to everyone who could not afford private health care, and almost no one had insurance.
Why all the fuss about going back to what obviously worked better?

We want government to build roads because individuals cannot do it

thats not socialism

but stay in school, learn a trade, be a productive citizen so you can provide for your own needs including healthcare?

when government wipes every nose that is socislism and I’m against it

 

[Mac-7]

Btw, just out of curiosity what are your principles that are so unique and better than everyone else?

There's more of me than there are of you. So I would ask YOU that.

Why do you think you and your tribe have all the answers? What ego that must take.
.

I asked you first

dont dodge the question

just answer if you can

Boy, I do try to keep this stuff simple.

I don't think my views are unique, and I'm certainly not better than everyone else. And this is proven by the fact that there are far more of me than there are of you.

You and your tribe think that you have the answers, that you know what's best for the rest of us.

What makes you so special, to think something like that?
,

I don't think my views are unique, and I'm certainly not better than everyone else.

you act as if you think you are better

you cant soil your hands a join a party that will run the country because repubs or even dems are not good enough for you

I'm just not an obedient sheep. There's nothing I can do about you. This is boring. You've made your "point".
.

You just babble without saying anything except that you are better than everyone else

you cant even tell us what you are for

 

[Mac1958]

you cant even tell us what you are for

My positions on the issues are all laid out, nice 'n simple 'n stuff, in the link at the end of the second line of my sig, a thread in which I gleefully disemboweled a Regressive Leftist: 2. >>> For the liars who pretend I claim to be a centrist/moderate/impartial/unbiased/fence-sitter: Come on Jake, man up, just this once.

So I couldn't be more forthcoming.

And I'm more than happy to discuss any topic, and quite likely will provide original and independent thought within that conversation.

Anything else? Wanna keep trying?
.

 

[Mac-7]

you cant even tell us what you are for

My positions on the issues are all laid out, nice 'n simple 'n stuff, in the link at the end of the second line of my sig, a thread in which I gleefully disemboweled a Regressive Leftist: 2. >>> For the liars who pretend I claim to be a centrist/moderate/impartial/unbiased/fence-sitter: Come on Jake, man up, just this once.

So I couldn't be more forthcoming.

And I'm more than happy to discuss any topic, and quite likely will provide original and independent thought within that conversation.

Anything else? Wanna keep trying?
.

I have to go but I’ll get back later