Zone1 the universe has a beginning

[Quantrill]

Can you cite that verse?

I already have. (Gen. 1:1) for the creation. (Gen. 1:27) for man.

Now answer mine. What verse proves to you that there is evolution?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Is it closer to 6,000 years or 4 billion years?

Pay attention. I said we don't know how old the earth is. And your science doesn't know. How old does your science 'believe' the earth is?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Tell me again then.

No, go back and read.

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[Quantrill]

Because it matches what Genesis 1:1 says.

Where does the big bang theory acknowledge God created the heaven and the earth?

Quantrill

 

[DukeU]

The rest of the creation account is consistent with a universe which evolved logically and sequentially over time.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

 

[onefour1]

From ( A Commentary, Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, Vol. 1, 1990, p. 1) Concerning the word 'created' in (Gen. 1:1):

"That a production entirely new, a really creative act, is related in this verse, and not merely a renovation or reconstruction of old and previosly existing materials, is evident, not only from the whole of the subsequent context, but from the summary of the processes described in the subsequent portions of this narrative, where a different word is used denoting 'made', 'reconstituted', 'arranged'....The first term signifies to bring into being, the other points only to a a new collection of matter already in existence."

"...and as he has contented himself with a declaration of the simple fact, without saying anything as to the mode in which the Divine Will and Energy operated, he obviously meant the conclusion to be drawn that the creation was effected out of nothing."

This is my point exactly. It is that man has taken their conceived notions of God creating from nothing and superimpose it on the word, "CREATE" as if it implies a creation out of nothing.

(Heb. 11:13) "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

Quantrill

This verse, Heb 11:3 (not 13), does not imply that worlds were created out of nothing but that it was made of things which do not appear to the natural eye. It may be that the elements that the earth was created from were so small that when God commanded them to come together to form the earth that they were not visible to man but microscopic.

 

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I already have. (Gen. 1:1) for the creation. (Gen. 1:27) for man.

Now answer mine. What verse proves to you that there is evolution?

Quantrill

That doesn’t say there is no evolution. The Bible doesn’t address that subject. Science does. Just like science says the universe had a beginning which is what Genesis 1:1 says too.

 

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Pay attention. I said we don't know how old the earth is. And your science doesn't know. How old does your science 'believe' the earth is?

Quantrill

But do you believe the age of the earth is closer to 6,000 years like a religious nut job believes or is it closer to 4 billion years which is what geologic evidence shows?

 

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No, go back and read.

Quantrill

That’s exactly what I would expect a religious nut job would do.

 

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Where does the big bang theory acknowledge God created the heaven and the earth?

Quantrill

You aren’t very bright, are you? What part of the Big Bang confirms the universe began, don’t you understand?

 

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And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Yep, everything occurred sequentially over time.

 

[DukeU]

Yep, everything occurred sequentially over time.

6 days, to be exact.

 

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6 days, to be exact.

Nope but what isn’t debatable is what I said. Everything occurred sequentially over time.

God gave you a brain to use.

 

[DukeU]

Nope but what isn’t debatable is what I said. Everything occurred sequentially over time.

God gave you a brain to use.

It occurred exactly as Genesis says it occurred, in 6 days.

Your argument is with Genesis (the Bible) not me.

I'll leave you to it.

 

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It occurred exactly as Genesis says it occurred, in 6 days.

Your argument is with Genesis (the Bible) not me.

I'll leave you to it.

It’s your interpretation that is faulty. Genesis is fine.

 

[DukeU]

It’s your interpretation that is faulty. Genesis is fine.

I didn't interpret, just read what it says.

"the evening and morning".

No interpretation needed, that's where you errored.

 

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I didn't interpret, just read what it says.

"the evening and morning".

No interpretation needed, that's where you errored.

Me too. That’s why I took away it was describing how everything unfolded sequentially over time.

 

[DukeU]

Me too. That’s why I took away it was describing how everything unfolded sequentially over time.

How do you dance around "evening and morning"?

 

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How do you dance around "evening and morning"?

Easy. I’m retired. I play golf most days.

Look, we can know God by what he created. Studying creation brings me closer to God. I’m being guided by the Holy Spirit.

 

[DukeU]

Easy. I’m retired. I play golf most days.

Look, we can know God by what he created. Studying creation brings me closer to God. I’m being guided by the Holy Spirit.

So, you won't answer my question?