Zone1 the universe has a beginning

[ding]

I don't see any verse of scripture say that God created out of nothing.

You don’t see any verse that says he created from existing matter either.

 

[Moonglow]

When the galaxies first formed and life began 13 billion years or so ago, Do you think the bible's existence in the universe was the same as today? perhaps humans started with ship sailing fishing inventions in the beginning in an archaic state. Then they developed an age of black and white camera technology, then came the computer age which is where we are at now? Could the Bible be a book that evolves slowly with human existence in the universe? Could its problems be answered even though they weren't before?

Humans were the last thing created, not the first.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Moonglow so....even though.....I'm asking you to........imagine.........with me........that.......aww heck you are probably right and to busy with all those cats you care for I heard.

 

[Moonglow]

Moonglow so....even though.....I'm asking you to........imagine.........with me........that.......aww heck you are probably right and to busy with all those cats you care for I heard.

Kewl Katz is all I getz, but they don't use a litter box. God created the angels, and that all went to Hell, so he started over with humans...

 

[Woodznutz]

The Big Bang is the evidence of God creating existence from nothing. The Big Bang reveals God’s glory.

God created the universe "from things" that we can't detect, not from 'nothing'.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Moonglow so the universe was without humans up to a point after it started? do you think the early humans were smart right off the bat? or do you think we evolve universally through the Bible somehow? All my stuff on the balance system and a gyroscope lead to no output, but I have been wondering about long distance signal transfer using gravity the earth the sun and modulating a signal that is small, somehow getting the signal out, but still we are not connected here on earth in any magic way I don't know how we would connect with the universe? advance schizo skills? I don't know, controlling ghosts differently somehow? doesn't make much sense?

 

[Quantrill]

God intended for us to study his creation.

Romans 1:19-20


For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them.
Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;

(Rom 1:19-20) is not scientific theory. It is the truth that creation stands before man as a testimony that there is a Creator God.

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[Quantrill]

You said it’s whatever the Bible says.

Now do you remember?

People like you add up the years and come up with 6,000 years from Adam to today. Are you saying the Bible is wrong?

Well, the Bible never said the earth is some 6,0000 years old. If you add up the years of the ages of man as given in the Bible, you may come up with some 6,000 years, but that is only the length of time we can assume man has been on the earth.

And even then, Biblical genealogies are not given to figure out the age of the earth. They are given to show the descent of man and it's importance. And God is known to leave people out of the genealogy for his own reasons. And prior to the flood, where people lived extremely long lives, that could affect the number quite a bit.

'People like me'? You didn't know me as you thought you did.

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[Quantrill]

Do you believe in evolution?

No.

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[trevorjohnson83]

Quantrill I see you are new which is my chance to badger you with tailbone information. Your tailbone wags, yes and it causes you to get dizzy sitting or standing in place. Then the attention in your vision which is controlled by your balance system makes objects in your vision that have your attention appear to wobble called oscilopsia. If you focus on nothing as your tailbone wags your whole vision might wobble. Anxiety and excitement can be monitored by testing the tailbone and seeing if its fast and frequent or slow and seldom.

 

[Quantrill]

I don't see any verse of scripture say that God created out of nothing.

From ( A Commentary, Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, Vol. 1, 1990, p. 1) Concerning the word 'created' in (Gen. 1:1):

"That a production entirely new, a really creative act, is related in this verse, and not merely a renovation or reconstruction of old and previosly existing materials, is evident, not only from the whole of the subsequent context, but from the summary of the processes described in the subsequent portions of this narrative, where a different word is used denoting 'made', 'reconstituted', 'arranged'....The first term signifies to bring into being, the other points only to a a new collection of matter already in existence."

"...and as he has contented himself with a declaration of the simple fact, without saying anything as to the mode in which the Divine Will and Energy operated, he obviously meant the conclusion to be drawn that the creation was effected out of nothing."

(Heb. 11:13) "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

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[shockedcanadian]

When the galaxies first formed and life began 13 billion years or so ago, Do you think the bible's existence in the universe was the same as today? perhaps humans started with ship sailing fishing inventions in the beginning in an archaic state. Then they developed an age of black and white camera technology, then came the computer age which is where we are at now? Could the Bible be a book that evolves slowly with human existence in the universe? Could its problems be answered even though they weren't before?

I suspect that G-d views us as a young, primitive creation at thisnpoint. If we perform our role, hopefully we will be rewarded as a collective species. The one question I sometimes pomder is, did G-d also create other species on other far away planets?

 

[ding]

(Rom 1:19-20) is not scientific theory. It is the truth that creation stands before man as a testimony that there is a Creator God.

Quantrill

It is proof we are intended to study what he created.

 

[ding]

Well, the Bible never said the earth is some 6,0000 years old. If you add up the years of the ages of man as given in the Bible, you may come up with some 6,000 years, but that is only the length of time we can assume man has been on the earth.

And even then, Biblical genealogies are not given to figure out the age of the earth. They are given to show the descent of man and it's importance. And God is known to leave people out of the genealogy for his own reasons. And prior to the flood, where people lived extremely long lives, that could affect the number quite a bit.

'People like me'? You didn't know me as you thought you did.

Quantrill

Yes, I know you.

Tell me about evolution.

 

[ding]

No.

Quantrill

Is that because you read the Bible literally?

 

[Quantrill]

It is proof we are intended to study what he created.

The creation exists and stands alone as a testimony that God is. It's not meant for you to try and use science to make it fit the revelation of God given in Scripture. The big bang has nothing comparable to (Gen. 1:1).

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[Quantrill]

Yes, I know you.

Tell me about evolution.

No, you just proved it in post #(118) when you said people like me add up the years of man and come up with 6000. Which I don't. In other words you don't know near as much as what you think.

Do you have problems understanding what you read? See post #(129).

Quantrill

 

[BreezeWood]

you may come up with some 6,000 years, but that is only the length of time we can assume man has been on the earth.

no -

that may just be when humanity began recording events and creating a false religion beginning w/ judaism that has crippled humanity from truly understanding the heavens and the origin of the universe.

 

[Quantrill]

Is that because you read the Bible literally?

No, it's because I believe the Bible which is opposed to evolution.

Why do you ask if I read the Bible literally, you are supposed to already know?

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[Quantrill]

no -

that may just be when humanity began recording events and creating a false religion beginning w/ judaism that has crippled humanity from truly understanding the heavens and the origin of the universe.

You're free to believe whatever you like. The Bible says differently, and it is what I believe.

Quantrill