Zone1 The unconditional covenant God made with the Jews (AKA Israelites/Hebrews including converts, excluding Arabs)

[Lisa558]

to even attempt at making an equivalence bespeaks a serious ignorance.

“A serious ignorance” is the best that can be said. It most often is driven by antisemitism, designed to delegitimize and demonize Israel.

 

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to even attempt at making an equivalence bespeaks a serious ignorance.

So asking questions is bad? Or is it the answers you are afraid of?

I watched a video of a supposedly influential Israeli leader where he referred to Palestinians as barbarians that needed to be killed. How is that different than how Hitler felt about Jews?

 

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Yes, equating Israeli Jews to Nazis is antisemitic.

Good thing I didn't do that. I asked how is what they DID different.

Also BEYOND offensive, but that’s why antisemites enjoy yelling “Nazi!” at Jews.

This is Holocaust inversion, in which Jews are cast as the Nazis and the “innocent” (LOL) Palestinians as the “new Jews.”

Antisemitism defined: Why drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to the Nazis is antisemitic - World Jewish Congress

The motivations of those who Israeli policy towards Palestinians with Nazi policy regarding Jews are manyfold. Some seek to achieve the moral delegitimization of Israel through demonization. Some use it as a means with which to cover up for Nazi crimes during the Holocaust and expunge guilt by...

www.worldjewishcongress.org

I don't believe it is possible for you to have a rational discussion about this.

 

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“A serious ignorance” is the best that can be said. It most often is driven by antisemitism, designed to delegitimize and demonize Israel.

What am I ignorant about exactly?

 

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So asking questions is bad? Or is it the answers you are afraid of?

No, but asking dumb questions reflects stupidity. If I asked "how is what the NAACP doing any different from what slave owners did" when it is only my question that brings the two together, that would be equally dumb. Not every question is equal in value and validity. Trying to reduce a statement to a "so you are against ALL of X" and then objecting to that oversimplification is a strawman.

I watched a video of a supposedly influential Israeli leader where he referred to Palestinians as barbarians that needed to be killed. How is that different than how Hitler felt about Jews?

He didn't care if Jews were barbarians. He wanted to kill them because they were Jews. If you don't see that as different from an Israeli saying that barbarians (as proven by their behavior) deserve a particular punishment then no one can help you.

 

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No, but asking dumb questions reflects stupidity. If I asked "how is what the NAACP doing any different from what slave owners did" when it is only my question that brings the two together, that would be equally dumb. Not every question is equal in value and validity. Trying to reduce a statement to a "so you are against ALL of X" and then objecting to that oversimplification is a strawman.

If it were a dumb question, it wouldn't have elicited the response it got from you. It would have elicited a reasoned and thoughtful response explaining how it was different.

He didn't care if Jews were barbarians. He wanted to kill them because they were Jews. If you don't see that as different from an Israeli saying that barbarians (as proven by their behavior) deserve a particular punishment then no one can help you.

Whether he saw them as barbarians or less than human, the end result is the same. It's a rationalization that killing them is good and just. No different than what Israel is doing to Palestine.

 

[luiza]

The unconditional covenant God made with the Jews​

How do Jews like Himmler , Goebbels , Eichmann and even dear Uncle Adolf fit into these agreements ?

Is there a two tier agreement of Good Jews and Naughty Ones ?

We Goyim would love to know before you kill all of us .

 

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If it were a dumb question, it wouldn't have elicited the response it got from you. It would have elicited a reasoned and thoughtful response explaining how it was different.

No, a smart question elicits that. A dumb one gets called out as a dumb one. In Germany, Jews were victimized. In Israel, Jews were victimized. I can't see how you tie the two together enough to justify the question. It shows a serious lack of understanding on your part.

Whether he saw them as barbarians or less than human, the end result is the same. It's a rationalization that killing them is good and just. No different than what Israel is doing to Palestine.

No, the issue is one of intent to erase a group. Intending to erase a group based on behavior is different from wanting to erase a group because of identity. Sorry you can't see a very basic difference.

 

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No, a smart question elicits that. A dumb one gets called out as a dumb one. In Germany, Jews were victimized. In Israel, Jews were victimized. I can't see how you tie the two together enough to justify the question. It shows a serious lack of understanding on your part.

Palestinians see themselves as victims. They are having their homeland taken from them.

No, the issue is one of intent to erase a group. Intending to erase a group based on behavior is different from wanting to erase a group because of identity. Sorry you can't see a very basic difference.

Taking their land is removing their identity. The common denominator is Darwinian. Everything else is window dressing and rationalizations.

 

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Palestinians see themselves as victims. They are having their homeland taken from them.

That's nice. Except they have no "homeland" and Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, invaded Israel with the help of civilians. It is hard to claim you are a victim when you started the war.

Taking their land is removing their identity.

asserting an identity when there is none is egregious.

 

[MisterBeale]

Someone on this forum, who actually was a mod here, said he didn’t care if Iran vaporized all 7 million Jews in one fell swoop. “Not his problem,” he said.

If someone says it isn't their problem it is vastly different than claiming they don't care about the death of innocents.

The United States is not the world police.

 

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That's nice. Except they have no "homeland" and Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, invaded Israel with the help of civilians. It is hard to claim you are a victim when you started the war.

asserting an identity when there is none is egregious.

Those are rationalizations for doing evil.

 

[Lisa558]

If it were a dumb question, it wouldn't have elicited the response it got from you. It would have elicited a reasoned and thoughtful response explaining how it was different.

Hardly. Dumb, offensive questions DO elicit a negative response. As you’ve seen.

Whether he saw them as barbarians or less than human, the end result is the same. It's a rationalization that killing them is good and just. No different than what Israel is doing to Palestine.

OMG. Israel is NOT targeting Palestinians, rounding them up for slaughter, and then systematically murdering them.

Your question not only demonizes Jews, it lowers the HORROR of what the Nazi did by drawing such a comparison.

Perhaps a valid question would be: Wasn’t the Islamists’ deliberate hunt for and murder of Jews - for no other reason than they were Jews - the same as what the Nazis did?

 

[Lisa558]

Those are rationalizations for doing evil.

What evil? Israel is not doing evil.

Evil is what the elected government of “Palestine” did to innocent Jews on 10/7.

 

[Lisa558]

If someone says it isn't their problem it is vastly different than claiming they don't care about the death of innocents.

The United States is not the world police.

Saying “it isn’t my problem if 7 million Jews are murdered” REEKS of antisemitism.

And a moral government doesn’t stand by and allow it. As I said, if it had been up to you, you would have let Hitler finish the job.

 

[Lisa558]

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Did you read the article, and perhaps learn WHY your question was antisemitic? I provided a well-reasoned and articulated explanation.

 

[MisterBeale]

Saying “it isn’t my problem if 7 million Jews are murdered” REEKS of antisemitism.

And a moral government doesn’t stand by and allow it. As I said, if it had been up to you, you would have let Hitler finish the job.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Will animal sacrifice resume after the Third Temple is restored?

Yes.