Zone1 The unconditional covenant God made with the Jews (AKA Israelites/Hebrews including converts, excluding Arabs)

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All that happens on its own without God having to set traps or have an angel set traps for him. To me that is illogical as saying God gave man an evil inclination. It is illogical for God to give man these inclinations when God wants man to overcome them. It is much more logical that human passions—including hunger, the desire for wealth, and the instinct to procreate are artifacts of a material existence and not some test designed by God. It makes God look like a dick.

Your opinion about what is "logical" is worth the paper it's printed on.

 

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Your opinion about what is "logical" is worth the paper it's printed on.

Actually it's worth the reasoning that was provided. See if you can figure out where your dismissal falls on this matrix.

 

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Actually it's worth the reasoning that was provided. See if you can figure out where your dismissal falls on this matrix.

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How can one refute an opinion? You think something is "logical" and I think it isn't. You present your opinion. I have a different opinion. This isnt subject to the same rhetorical analysis as of a formal claim.

Thus I point out how your opinion lacks rhetorical value.

If you need me to explain other basic ideas, let me know.

 

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How can one refute an opinion?

The same way that I can prove a negative... by making a positive argument that refutes it.

You think something is "logical" and I think it isn't.

It's not what I think, it's what was explained as the basis of the thought.

You present your opinion.

Yes, I did.

I have a different opinion.

Then you should have made it by explaining the basis for it.

This isnt subject to the same rhetorical analysis as of a formal claim.

Everything is made manifest by mind. Even this subject.

Thus I point out how your opinion lacks rhetorical value.

No. You dismissed it without basis for dismissal.

If you need me to explain other basic ideas, let me know.

You haven't explained anything as of yet. Go back and see where your response fell on the matrix.

 

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The same way that I can prove a negative... by making a positive argument that refutes it.

It's not what I think, it's what was explained as the basis of the thought.

Yes, I did.

Then you should have made it by explaining the basis for it.

Everything is made manifest by mind. Even this subject.

No. You dismissed it without basis for dismissal.

You haven't explained anything as of yet. Go back and see where your response fell on the matrix.

Geez... Repeated swing and miss.

I'll slow the ride down for you.

A question was asked "why did hid do something"
I gave an answer.
You said 'it is more logical if... "

But no, that claim of being more logical is unproven and not, non it's face, true. So everything after that fails.

 

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Geez... Repeated swing and miss.

I'll slow the ride down for you.

A question was asked "why did hid do something"
I gave an answer.
You said 'it is more logical if... "

But no, that claim of being more logical is unproven and not, non it's face, true. So everything after that fails.

I don't plan on arguing against myself. When you can make a logical argument why you believe God uses entrapment and gives us an evil inclination, we can talk.

 

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I don't plan on arguing against myself. When you can make a logical argument why you believe God uses entrapment and gives us an evil inclination, we can talk.

I have - we are given opportunities to rise, to price to ourselves that we can resist. We are, in this way, elevated above the angels.

Now, you don't have to accept my understanding. You can say "Judaism's cosmology Lang lore makes no sense to me so I reject it." But to say "that story is wrong because my story is more logical to me" is pretty useless

 

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I have - we are given opportunities to rise, to price to ourselves that we can resist. We are, in this way, elevated above the angels.

And does nothing to explain how that doesn't make God look like a dick for using entrapment or giving us an evil inclination.

Now, you don't have to accept my understanding. You can say "Judaism's cosmology Lang lore makes no sense to me so I reject it." But to say "that story is wrong because my story is more logical to me" is pretty useless

The illogical part - to me - is your belief making God look bad.

 

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To "Refresh the matter",............ The "Covenant", was made with All 13 Tribes of The Children of Yisrael, of which, at the time it was made, "Yudah", or "Judah" as it is popularly known, was/is Only One of the 13 Tribes.

After the death of Solomon, & his son Rehoboam taking the throne, the Children of Yisrael broke up in to Two Houses, being the "House of Yisrael", and the "House of Yudah"/Judah, or the "Jews".

In the majority,..... The "House of Yudah", is made up only of the tribes of YUdah/JUdah, Levi, & Benyahmin/Benjamin.

Furthermore,..... The Old Testament/Tanach,..... Absolutely Is not "Jewish", ... It's YIsraeli/Israeli,.... And Any "Jewish Spiritual Leader", that disputes that,..... Is a Satanically Inspired Liar.

 

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And does nothing to explain how that doesn't make God look like a dick for using entrapment or giving us an evil inclination.

But it DOESN'T make God look like anything. You see God that way, but I don't and you can't make any definitive offer of proof to support your particular opinion. I look at the same facts and come up with a very different understanding. If I were to say "it makes more sense to see God as giving us an aopportunity for improvement than for God to make us so perfect that we can never grow and learn" you could not disprove my opnion that it makes more sense my way.

The illogical part - to me - is your belief making God look bad.

You are the one who takes facts and turns them into making God look bad. Jews have been using our understanding (not seeing God as bad) for a long time and your opinion doesn't much matter.

 

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But it DOESN'T make God look like anything. You see God that way, but I don't and you can't make any definitive offer of proof to support your particular opinion. I look at the same facts and come up with a very different understanding. If I were to say "it makes more sense to see God as giving us an aopportunity for improvement than for God to make us so perfect that we can never grow and learn" you could not disprove my opnion that it makes more sense my way.

Opportunities for improvement exist independent of God. God doesn't need to give us an evil inclination or to tempt us.
What you believe is illogical because God is good. Tempting people to do wrong isn't good.

 

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You are the one who takes facts and turns them into making God look bad. Jews have been using our understanding (not seeing God as bad) for a long time and your opinion doesn't much matter.

Tempting people to do wrong isn't good.

 

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Opportunities for improvement exist independent of God.

nothing exists independent of God.

God doesn't need to give us an evil inclination or to tempt us.

deciding what God "needs" is a fool's errand.

What you believe is illogical because God is good. Tempting people to do wrong isn't good.

That's a weird statement, "God is good." It makes no sense to me. God is God. Imposing your human sensibility of what God should be doing based on your idea that God is "good" is personal to use and irrelevant to anyone else.

p.s. I did a quick search and found that the phrase/idea is from African Christian churches in the 1800's. So it is meaningless to me.

 

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Tempting people to do wrong isn't good.

what does your version of "good" have to do with anything?

 

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nothing exists independent of God.

deciding what God "needs" is a fool's errand.

That's a weird statement, "God is good." It makes no sense to me. God is God. Imposing your human sensibility of what God should be doing based on your idea that God is "good" is personal to use and irrelevant to anyone else.

p.s. I did a quick search and found that the phrase/idea is from African Christian churches in the 1800's. So it is meaningless to me.

You have a poor opinion of God.

 

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what does your version of "good" have to do with anything?

Everything God creates is good.

 

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You have a poor opinion of God.

No, I have an informed Jewish view of God. You have one that comes from the 1800's and African Christian churches. And instead of using a value term (like "poor") I am willing to say that the two views are separate and different and therefore, each is meaningless to the other person. Why must you denigrate anything that is different?

 

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Everything God creates is good.

so evil is good?
Is 45:7...

 

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No, I have an informed Jewish view of God. You have one that comes from the 1800's and African Christian churches. And instead of using a value term (like "poor") I am willing to say that the two views are separate and different and therefore, each is meaningless to the other person. Why must you denigrate anything that is different?

I'm using this.

 

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so evil is good?
Is 45:7...

Evil is not extant. Evil is the absence of good. Evil is the negation of good. Good is the "thing" that exists. Ergo everything is good.