The truth on the Renee Good shooting lies in the middle

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

View attachment 1204089


1st shot.

2nd and 3rd shot trough the driver side window.

You can see from the image you posted, there is a slight curve to the glass and the cracking around the hole is pretty even showing he was at an angle when the first shot occurred.

It will be interesting to see a full basllistic report showing the trajectory of that bullet.

• If from in front, being near the A Frame Riser, then it would not have been a fatal shot likely missing her all together or injuring her on the left side.
• If from left of the driver side fender than that angle would have the bullet miss her completely and be lodged in - probably the back seat or exiting out the passenger side of the vehicle.

The 2nd and 3rd shot being through the driver side window means that the front of the vehicle was already past him in terms of travel arc because he had to be beside the vehicle for those shots.

WW

So when did you conduct this investigation? Have you reviewed the coroners report? No? Then I suggest you STFU! All you have are assumptions that you are posting as facts.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, why?

(Psst, a bullet hole in the windshied does not mean that the shooter was perpendicular to the front of the vehicle.)

WW

The fact that bullet hole is circular indicates it came more from the front of the vehicle. You were an ATC and never came close to a bullet in your life!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Actually they weren't blocked from using the roadway. No I don't disagree that she stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic, but there was plenty of room for ICE to proceed.

How do we know this, because an ICE vehicle pulled around her and stopped.

See image below, both green arrows were occupied by ICE.

WW

View attachment 1204094

Look at where her car is stopped, moron! Do you see that white line on the road?

 

[Correll]

This right here is why you guys are so ******* retarded. I'm the one pouring fuel on to the fire? You put that much empahsis on me, but not the president of the United States?

Yes. YOU. You are encouraging people to RESIST the enforcement of the law, to OBSTRUCT the enforcement of the law,

even though you know that it has ALREADY gotten one woman killed, and will certainly get MORE people killed, if you continue.

You know, when I first saw that post by Trump, I didn't think it was real. I spent like 20 mins searching trying to find if it was real because Truth Social was down at the time. I really couldn't believe, even after all this time, that Trump would think he could get away with posting something so stupid.

View attachment 1204211


"It is hard to believe he is alive".

I'm pouring fuel on the fire, but the President of the United States saying shit like how the woman was violently, willfully and viously running over the Ice officer, and that it's hard to blieve that the Ice Officer is alive, and that Good is a domestic terroist is not pouring fuel on the fire? Do you understand how this might have fueled the response against ICE? This is why I keep asking you guys, why are you so ******* scared?

What he said was true. THe woman was a trained agitator.

The ball is still in your court. You can keep fighting and get more people killed, or let us enforce the law.

You hold Democrats to such high standards, and you hold your own to none. You are a joke.

I'm asking you to NOT commit treason. That is the standard I am asking of you. ONly that.

And you can't do it.

Ok, let's begin then. What do you think about Mike Pence's quote that I gave you? And about how Trump pressured him to reject the certification of the election to help Trump remain as President? You are always willing and able to discuss the events, after all.

Huh. Are you admitting that all your shit talk about this incident was shit talk and you are now supporting the idea of STAND DOWN?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm sorry, did I miss the investigation report (including ballistics and autopsy)?

He fired 3 times, at this point we DON'T KNOW which bullets individually (1?, 2? all 3?) hit her and what the trajectories were. Was it the first bullet that killed her or was it one of the bullets fired from the left of the vehicle through the drivers window that killed her?

I don't have answers to these questions yet, and neither to you.

WW

So you admit everything you have posted is conjecture. Thanks for admitting you know nothing but have diarrhea of the hand in typing all this crap.

 

[Correll]

Like shooting fish in a barrel. They are just irrational people believing they are.

Yep.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So I show a picture how ICE vehicles could pass arou8nd the stopped Honda and you claim I need to be committed.

Well, if you can't refute the truth, offer a personal insult.

WW

They had no idea if she was going to move her vehicle, numbnuts!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I haven't called it a murder.

I'm even saying the first shot might have been justified.

In my mind the 2nd and 3rd through the drivers window are more in question as at that point the officer was not in danger.

WW

How fast did those shots occur as the vehicle was moving? You have no clue. Just assumptions.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The vehicle on the right pulled arouund the maroon Honda, the vehicle on the left could have proceeded if the right vhile hadn't stopped.

Hell looking at the image the vehicle on the left could still have passed in front of the Honda with room to spare.

Was the Honda attempting to impede traffic? Absolutley.

Could ICE have pulled around? Absolutley.

WW


View attachment 1204105

Why should they? She was impeding traffic on purpose. You spelled "absolutely" wrong twice. Slow down and think! That is exactly what Good did not do!

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

Yes. YOU. You are encouraging people to RESIST the enforcement of the law, to OBSTRUCT the enforcement of the law,

Great, please tell me where I did this?

even though you know that it has ALREADY gotten one woman killed, and will certainly get MORE people killed, if you continue.

The thing that got one woman killed already is that ICE are overly scared of cars. And they don't understand how law enforcement might occur without guns.

May I ask, do you think the Ashli Babbitt shooting was justified?

Huh. Are you admitting that all your shit talk about this incident was shit talk and you are now supporting the idea of STAND DOWN?

What??? So you can't respond at all? Makes sense. You're just reinforcing my belief. Every time I try to engage with you, you back out. Don't worry, we can take it slow. What do you make of the following quote that Mike Pence made:

"I want the American People to know that I had no right to overturn the election. And that on that day, President Trump asked me to put him over the constitution, but I chose the constitution, and I always will. Anyone who puts themself over the constitution should never be President of the United States, and anyone who asks someone else to put themselves over the constitution should never be President of the United States again. But what the president maintained that day, and frankly has said over and over again over the last 2.5 years, is completely false."

 

[Hollie]

What? In this, I'm assuming you're talking about Good. I agree, that obstruction is not right. But I don't think you should be executed for obstruction.

Classic MAGA. "Your intent is clear, I'm going to kill you all"


So you obviously know nothing about what Trump did in his attempts to overturn the election? I will give you the extremely short version, but I'm willing to go a lot more in depth. Trump, even before the election happened, decided that there would be mass voter fraud by the left. After he lost the election, and in the leadup to the transfer of power on January 6th, he conspired and organized a false slate of electors. This was a fraudulent set of electors from some of the swing states that they convinced and organized to submit their own fraudulent certificates. They wanted Mike Pence to accept the fraudulent set over the real set so he could remain in power, or, at the very least they wanted to use it to create confusion and ultimately delay the transfer of power. Luckily, he didn't have JD Vance as his VP, and Pence refused to go along with their plan. There is much evidence of the pressure they applied to Pence in the Jan 6th committee report.

"I want the American People to know that I had no right to overturn the election. And that on that day, President Trump asked me to put him over the constitution, but I chose the constitution, and I always will. Anyone who puts themself over the constitution should never be President of the United States, and anyone who asks someone else to put themselves over the constitution should never be President of the United States again. But what the president maintained that day, and frankly has said over and over again over the last 2.5 years, is completely false." - Mike Pence.

Now imagine if any Democrat VP had said something similar to what Pence said here?

Any true patriotic American should hate Trump. That's the truth.

But… but….. but what about Trump. It gets old, Bunky.

 

[Leo123]

Left says it was murder by out of control ICE agent.
Right says she tried to drive into the agent.

It says here that the truth is somewhere in the middle.

1. She never should have been there to begin with
2. She was an anti ICE crusader.
3. She may or may not have tried to drive over the agent. Video inconclusive.
4. The agent was trigger happy.

Respect ICE and respect our immigration laws and this won't happen again.

Well the FACT is she accelerated toward and hit the officer who was doing his job. The officer shot her as he was being hit. There is no middle ground.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

She was the "husband". I guess that means she wore the pants in the house.

Lesbians don't have husbands. They are both wives. Just like gay men both have husbands. No wives. This message brought to you as a public service.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

But… but….. but what about Trump. It gets old, Bunky.

Acutally, Hollie, this was the last comment of mine that you never responded to:

OK, what do you think about the fact that many European countries operate their police force without guns, but yet those countries have cars?

What do you think of the following:
In 2022, the DOJ updated their policy (this gets updated EXTREMELY rarely btw, the last update to it was in 2004), it included an update to the policy of 'Moving out the way of vehicles'.

"Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force."

Alongside this, the Biden Executive Order 14074 (May 25, 2022), means that this DOJ update applies to all federal law enforcemnt agencies. Whether this was actually implemented by ICE is the question (The DHS has recently redacted the Use of Force policy -- how's that for transparency?). But I think this policy of moving out the way (when the driver has not given justifiable reason for the officer to believe that the person is a threat to other people if they are allowed to continue driving) is a good one.

And in terms of police departments around the US, any that don't yet have this policy, should enact it. I don't think there is any reason not to. Do you agree?

 

[Hollie]

I'm sure we will eventually find that this woman had been arrested before for interfering with law enforcement... if she were more severely punished at that time she would not be dead today...
So many people have her blood on their hands from the democrats in office to the media and our weak anti Trump justice system...

Good was a part of the leftist “ICE Watch”. She was a useful idiot for the democrat jihad that preyed on the mentally ill and used them as sacrificial tools.

 

[Correll]

Great, please tell me where I did this?

Already explained. Now you are playing dumb.

The thing that got one woman killed already is that ICE are overly scared of cars. And they don't understand how law enforcement might occur without guns.

So, you are still shit talking in defense of a strategy of obstruction, even though it has gotten one woman killed already and you know it will get more killed.

OK.

Question: When your strategy gets people killed, are you goint to be a grown up and own the consequences of your actions,

or play the fool and have a hissy fit?

May I ask, do you think the Ashli Babbitt shooting was justified?

My issue with that shooting was how that was vastly different treatment than the other riots of the day got.

What??? So you can't respond at all? Makes sense. You're just reinforcing my belief. Every time I try to engage with you, you back out. Don't worry, we can take it slow. What do you make of the following quote that Mike Pence made:

Serious people try to stay on topic. CLowns want to derail threads, to try to confuse the issue, because they are losing, but don't have the balls to admit it.

I asked you to admit your shit talk was shit talk and then I would be happy to discuss anything abotu 2020, you wanted to discuss.

Now we see you are just a shit talker.

 

[Hollie]

Acutally, Hollie, this was the last comment of mine that you never responded to:

OK, what do you think about the fact that many European countries operate their police force without guns, but yet those countries have cars?

What do you think of the following:
In 2022, the DOJ updated their policy (this gets updated EXTREMELY rarely btw, the last update to it was in 2004), it included an update to the policy of 'Moving out the way of vehicles'.

"Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force."

Alongside this, the Biden Executive Order 14074 (May 25, 2022), means that this DOJ update applies to all federal law enforcemnt agencies. Whether this was actually implemented by ICE is the question (The DHS has recently redacted the Use of Force policy -- how's that for transparency?). But I think this policy of moving out the way (when the driver has not given justifiable reason for the officer to believe that the person is a threat to other people if they are allowed to continue driving) is a good one.

And in terms of police departments around the US, any that don't yet have this policy, should enact it. I don't think there is any reason not to. Do you agree?

You’re a classic leftist gun grabber. You are desperately trying to excuse the actions of democrats who instigated their useful idiot minions toward creating this confrontation. Good was a stalker who deliberately caused the shooting.

Why would I agree with disarming law enforcement when democrats spent years importing the worst subhumans.

ICE arrests in Minnesota surge include numerous convicted child rapists, killers

ICE arrested convicted criminals in Minnesota, including alleged child rapists and killers with decades-old deportation orders still roaming free.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Hollie]

Acutally, Hollie, this was the last comment of mine that you never responded to:

OK, what do you think about the fact that many European countries operate their police force without guns, but yet those countries have cars?

What do you think of the following:
In 2022, the DOJ updated their policy (this gets updated EXTREMELY rarely btw, the last update to it was in 2004), it included an update to the policy of 'Moving out the way of vehicles'.

"Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force."

Alongside this, the Biden Executive Order 14074 (May 25, 2022), means that this DOJ update applies to all federal law enforcemnt agencies. Whether this was actually implemented by ICE is the question (The DHS has recently redacted the Use of Force policy -- how's that for transparency?). But I think this policy of moving out the way (when the driver has not given justifiable reason for the officer to believe that the person is a threat to other people if they are allowed to continue driving) is a good one.

And in terms of police departments around the US, any that don't yet have this policy, should enact it. I don't think there is any reason not to. Do you agree?

An accelerating vehicle that’s aimed at you is justification for deadly force.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

You’re a classic leftist gun grabber. You are desperately trying to excuse the actions of democrats who instigated their useful idiot minions toward creating this confrontation. Good was a stalker who deliberately caused the shooting.

Why would I agree with disarming law enforcement when democrats spent years importing the worst subhumans.

ICE arrests in Minnesota surge include numerous convicted child rapists, killers

ICE arrested convicted criminals in Minnesota, including alleged child rapists and killers with decades-old deportation orders still roaming free.

www.foxnews.com

Sorry, maybe I Need to be more specific?
I'm asking if you agree with the following policy:
the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.

I'm sorry if this question scares you in any way.

 

[22lcidw]

back and to the left....