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The truth about Truman’s bombing Japan

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1. Everyone wanted the Japanese Emperor to stay in office. The Truman administration did and so did the generals and admirals.

2. The Emperor wanted to stay in office and he damn sure didn't want to be tried and hanged.

3. The Potsdam Accord called for Japan's complete surrender or Japan would face utter annihilation. Originally there was text that said the emperor could remain, however that text was removed at the last moment.

4. There was zero communication between America and Japan at this time.

5. So the atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

6. A week went by. No surrender.

7. Someone in the Truman administration drafted a letter and sent it to the Japanese via the Swiss embassy. It strongly hinted that the Emperor could keep his job though it didn't come right out and say it.

8. So that was good enough for the emperor who threw his vote in with the moderates, breaking the tie they had with the hard liners. Japan surrendered.

So why was the text removed from the Potsdam Accord?

Because 85% of America voters wanted to see the Emperor hanged. Truman realized that no Democrat would ever get elected again in his lifetime if he didn't tread carefully.
Will then why didn’t Harry accept their surrender before he did his war crimes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The only condition they asked for was don’t harm the emperor, well prior to the a-bombings. Truman massacred all those women and children then agreed to their terms. He should have been hung at Nuremberg as the Nazis were.
 

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Will then why didn’t Harry accept their surrender before he did his war crimes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The only condition they asked for was don’t harm the emperor, well prior to the a-bombings. Truman massacred all those women and children then agreed to their terms. He should have been hung at Nuremberg as the Nazis were.
pure bullshit on your part,

No surrender was offered prior to the bombing of Nagasaki.

But hey, at least 140,000 POW's lived to thank Truman for saving them. Fair trade as far as war goes.

I notice you never mention the men killed? It was not only women and children.
I also notice you never mention that many of those woman and children worked in the factories, or even at home making stuff to be used in the war.

Should Truman hang for ending a war that Japan started, and fought brutally? Is it really a fact that Americans must die and our enemies must be offered safety?

Gipper is advocating doing exactly what Biden did in Afghanistan, simply give up, retreat, surrender, and leave the 140,000 POW's behind.
 
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pure bullshit on your part,

No surrender was offered prior to the bombing of Nagasaki.

But hey, at least 140,000 POW's lived to thank Truman for saving them. Fair trade as far as war goes.

I notice you never mention the men killed? It was not only women and children.
I also notice you never mention that many of those woman and children worked in the factories, or even at home making stuff to be used in the war.

Should Truman hang for ending a war that Japan started, and fought brutally? Is it really a fact that Americans must die and our enemies must be offered safety?

Gipper is advocating doing exactly what Biden did in Afghanistan, simply give up, retreat, surrender, and leave the 140,000 POW's behind.
You’re not informed, but typical of so many duped Americans. Japan had been trying to surrender for months. Harry said fuck you and die.
 

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Will then why didn’t Harry accept their surrender before he did his war crimes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The only condition they asked for was don’t harm the emperor, well prior to the a-bombings. Truman massacred all those women and children then agreed to their terms. He should have been hung at Nuremberg as the Nazis were.


The Japanese didn't offer surrender.

The Japanese strategy was to make the war so bloody, so awful that the Americans would agree to an Armistice.

An Armistice isn't an unconditional surrender, no American troops would've occupied Japanese soil for example.

The Japanese regime would've remained in power.
 

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There was one condition and we allowed it. That is not really "unconditional."
There was no condition. The legal document that the Japanese Government signed says UNCONDITIONAL. The Japanese tried to weasel out of it here's an explanation:
"Two events early in the occupation demolish any claim the United States recognized any obligation to retain Hirohito as emperor. Japanese officials examined the Potsdam Declaration and presented to General Douglas MacArthur’s occupation command their argument that Japan’s surrender was contractual and conditional. In the words of historian John Dower, “they were crisply informed their capitulation was and always had been unconditional.” MacArthur was under orders not to do anything to the emperor without Washington’s approval, and to exercise his authority through Japanese officials “including the emperor to the extent that this satisfactorily furthers United States objectives.”..."
The US decided to use the Emperor to make the administration of Japan easier, NOT because they had agreed to keep him on or even allow him ceremonial powers. In reality Macarthur was the reigning emperor of Japan, Hirohito was a ventriloquist's dummy.
 

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Yes, there was. We allowed it.
Can't you read? Even after the war the Japanese were told in no uncertain terms keeping the emperor WASN'T part of the peace treaty. They knew at the time they signed the treaty, when they tried to weasel out of it they were told again. Treaties are written by lawyers, they are very specific and state the conditions clearly. This one specifically and clearly said in English and Japanese UNCONDITIONAL and that's what it meant.
 

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You’re not informed, but typical of so many duped Americans. Japan had been trying to surrender for months. Harry said fuck you and die.
Japan? You speak as if they were all one big unified Republic! They were not. They were ruled by the Emperor and the Supreme War Council.

The Emperor surrendered after Nagasaki.

Like in a fist fight, the loser may try to look for a way out, but until he actually gives up, there is still a fight.
 
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Japan? You speak as if they were all one big unified Republic! They were not. They were ruled by the Emperor and the Supreme War Council.

The Emperor surrendered after Nagasaki.

Like in a fist fight, the loser may try to look for a way out, but until he actually gives up, there is still a fight.
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you have a link, for your LOL?

I figured you could not prove anything you said
I can and have, but it won’t matter.
 

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Japan never offered to surrender until after the 2nd atomic bomb before that every "offer" was a ceasefire and no consequences to Japan.
 

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I can and have, but it won’t matter.
It won't matter. Outside internet searches there is much information. All says the same thing. It was a hard decision but it all came down to saving American lives.

The last time democrats did the right thing
 

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a Newspaper article with no sources and you can not provide a single quote or link other then an unsourced newspaper article.
 

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