The Supreme Court considers Trump's Tariffs

[Captain Caveman]

Where do I get a television from?

Element Electronics

 

[candycorn]

I'm glad you are being polite. I believe you are quite wrong on levels of illegal immigration during Biden years vs the 70's and 80's. The massive caravans, catch and release, NGO support, and abuse of asylum laws were ramped up to record highs. I also don't see the mutual benefit to wage suppression, and government food, medical, and educational support.

The border has been porous for about 80 years now before your blob came along and insisted that Mexico was sending rapists up here.

During that time--1940 to 2020 roughly, economically, culturally, influentially, the nation has expanded in every way. In particular the border states have expanded; Arizona, Texas and California.

If you can't see it...its because you haven't looked.

Taxpayers got hosed, human trafficking and drugs went rampant, and the illegals were basically slave labor. It was more lose, lose.

Again, the highest standard of living on record was recorded during those years. Should we have paid the illegals more? Probably but they had the option to become citizens. Most didn't. Most just came here worked, and went on about their business. I'm not sure why you guys think thats a bad thing. Did you have your heart set on picking grapefruit?

Taxpayers are getting hosed now...you're still going to be expected to pay your taxes out of your paycheck each and every time while Trump's government is shut down yet again.

I get that you love Trump for some bizarre reason.... I'm at a loss to explain it since the guy is a 34X convicted felon who paid porn stars for sex, cheated on his wives, screwed essentially every partner he's ever had (just look at his first cabinet if you want proof), pardoned felons who went on to commit more crimes.... But for whatever reason, you want to have the guy's baby. But your command of facts and statistics is woefully skewed by your love for this despicable pervert.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Almost certainly if the president of the U.S loses this power, your nation will be run exclusively by big business, donors and special interests through men who don't have limits in Congress. Your nation has $38T in debt and you are going to need to raise revenue without question.

 

[schmidlap]

I expect that Trump's erratic imposing and rescinding of tariffs as capricious, punitive weapons - while whining to his cult that the world has been very, very mean to the U.S. (whose international commerce has achieved impressive prosperity in recent decades) will be brought under Constitutional control shortly.

It is as if a drunken toddler has been allowed to wield an AK-37 at nursery school.

The blowhard's imposition of a 50% tariff on exports from Brazil - with which the U.S. had a trade surplus of 1.6 billion in 2024 - was singularly inappropriate. Trump's spastic cudgel-flailing is wreaking havoc with the domestics as well as the international economy.

 

[Mac1958]

Out of curiosity, are you okay with the US not even trying to participate in trade? Being a patsy 24/7. You can argue results, but you can't say we haven't had our asses handed to us for decades.

So for you, it can ONLY be (a) Trump's insane, erratic, disordered, chaotic, constantly changing, often punitive & random, impossible-for-businesses-to-plan-for tariffs, OR (b) doing nothing and being a tariff patsy 24/7.

That's it. In your world, those are the only two options that are available. No other possibilities. No other approaches. No other ways this could POSSIBLY be done.

Caveman tariff policy or nothing.

You're a fine MAGA.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Trade deals are approved by legislation via Congress.

Wars too

But that hasn’t happened in over 80 years

 

[Mac1958]

As usual trump has overstepped his authority. Just another crime under his belt. He doesn't care he's got his stooges following him nostter what.

He doesn't know. He doesn't understand tariffs. He doesn't understand the presidency. He doesn't understand macroeconomics. He doesn't understand the Constitution.

He told that reporter in the Oval Office that DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE is about "unity, love and respect". He has no clue what it's about. The President of the United States doesn't understand what the Declaration of Independence is about.

He doesn't know. He's just a mindless predator, like a snake. Gimmee.

Look at what the people who worked with him in the White House in his first season have said. They had to simplify EVERYTHING, like they were talking to an eight year old.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Rut rho!

Looks like trouble ahead

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

I was asked about Trump and I gave an example of what I was speaking about.

I didn't ask for examples as to why you think Trump doesn't behave like an adult. The question was: What difference does it make if the situation remains the same?

The question was in reference to the trade/tariff situation which is what the discussion is about. In other words, if the trade/tariff situation was fucked up before Trump came along then why does his behavior matter now?

 

[Leviticus]

The fun part will be when they consider the tariffs that he places on things that the US doesn't even make like coffee. The things that literally have no effect on trade other than raising the price of the products in the United States.

 

[kyzr]

Almost certainly if the president of the U.S loses this power, your nation will be run exclusively by big business, donors and special interests through men who don't have limits in Congress. Your nation has $38T in debt and you are going to need to raise revenue without question.

Trump won't lose tariff power completely.
The USSC will probably "split the baby" and try to define reasonable limits based on all the various laws.
Its unfortunate that Trump used IEEPA instead of the other sections that apply.
You are exactly right that the tariffs are needed to start paying down the $38T debt.

 

[kyzr]

The fun part will be when they consider the tariffs that he places on things that the US doesn't even make like coffee. The things that literally have no effect on trade other than raising the price of the products in the United States.

He has the power to "regulate" trade.

 

[kyzr]

Rut rho!
Looks like trouble ahead

Not necessarily trouble.
She wanted a 100% proof, but there is only implied authority.
There are other sections that apply to tariffs, so this is not the only bite at the apple.
But the odds fell from 40% to 27% that Trump will win...

 

[Leviticus]

He has the power to "regulate" trade.

Yes, but if he's going to claim that the tariffs are to protect us trade, putting tariffs on things that the US don't even make, And on countries that are so poor that they can't even afford to import us goods, that completely kills whatever point he tries to make.
Putting tariffs on goods. The US is incapable of producing in large quantities like coffee or rubber only serves to raise the cost of those goods in the United States.
And putting tariffs on countries that The US only has a trade deficit with because the countries are so poor they can't afford to purchase us. Goods just shows a complete ignorance and lack of understanding of how economics works

 

[pknopp]

I didn't ask for examples as to why you think Trump doesn't behave like an adult. The question was: What difference does it make if the situation remains the same?

The question was in reference to the trade/tariff situation which is what the discussion is about. In other words, if the trade/tariff situation was fucked up before Trump came along then why does his behavior matter now?

Wrong then, wrong now. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[schmidlap]

So for you, it can ONLY be (a) Trump's insane, erratic, disordered, chaotic, constantly changing, often punitive & random, impossible-for-businesses-to-plan-for tariffs, OR (b) doing nothing and being a tariff patsy 24/7.

That's it. In your world, those are the only two options that are available. No other possibilities. No other approaches. No other ways this could POSSIBLY be done.

Caveman tariff policy or nothing.

You're a fine MAGA.

Trump's erratic, tariff-wielding incompetence is having the predictable impact upon the economy, and Americans don't like it.

Nov 6 (Reuters) - U.S.-based employers cut more than 150,000 jobs in October, marking the biggest reduction for the month in more than 20 years​

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Trump claims he 'saved the entire world from depression' with huge tariffs​

 

[Mac1958]

Trump's erratic, tariff-wielding incompetence is having the predictable impact upon the economy, and Americans don't like it.

Nov 6 (Reuters) - U.S.-based employers cut more than 150,000 jobs in October, marking the biggest reduction for the month in more than 20 years​

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Trump claims he 'saved the entire world from depression' with huge tariffs​

The parties always concentrate on data, such as unemployment figures, but the general public doesn't. This is why Mamdani won in NYC. Americans are hurting and they don't give two shits about data.

We'll see what kind of national message the Dems can cobble together over the next few months. But I suspect they'll be using NYC as a template.

Trump hasn't fixed the kitchen table issues, as he promised.

 

[WEATHER53]

The longer it goes the more they are leaning Trump

 

[schmidlap]

The parties always concentrate on data, such as unemployment figures, but the general public doesn't. This is why Mamdani won in NYC. Americans are hurting and they don't give two shits about data.

We'll see what kind of national message the Dems can cobble together over the next few months. But I suspect they'll be using NYC as a template.

Trump hasn't fixed the kitchen table issues, as he promised.

Media focus on Mamdani will feed into Trump's false dichotomy that America is suddenly confronting a choice between one city's mayor and the gilded savior. I love New York, but it is not anyone's vision for the nation.

 

[Mac1958]

Media focus on Mamdani will feed into Trump's false dichotomy that America is suddenly confronting a choice between one city's mayor and the gilded savior. I love New York, but it is not anyone's vision for the nation.

I think we just keep seeing desperate people making desperate decisions. Neither Trump or Mamdani are the answer.

What amazes me is that we still haven't seen anyone show up in a big way with a message of communication, collaboration, innovation. My assumption is that they figure they'd never get nominated. I contribute to the Forward Party since that is their message, but it's been a very slow grind.

I guess moderation is good in everything but politics.