The Politics of General Patton

[Discombobulated]

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

Pleeeeezzzze!

Careful...you may inspire me to expose George Marshall.....and you won't like it.

"One example of George Marshall's understanding of military science: He was testifying before a Senate committee in the summer of 1940, after the German break-through in France.
A senator asked him whether the army knew how to stop tanks. Marshall said he believed the jeep was the answer to the tank. To the flabbergasted senators, he explained: "As I conceive it, hundreds of jeeps will swarm over the battlefield, each of them towing a 37 millimeter anti-tank gun. That way we will put the tanks out of business."
As it turned out, the 37 millimeter anti-tank guns Marshall was talking about wouldn't stop a light tank at close range, but that was beside the point. What the German tiger and panther tanks might have done to a fleet of jeeps racing out on a battlefield would have been a spectacle."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 118-119

The Jeep helped win the war

The concept was the lethality of the guns towed to the point of battle, not the Jeeps themselves

Yes 1940 was a turning point for our military forces. We had maybe the seventh strongest military in the world. Thanks to the military excallation lead by Gen Marshall, we went from a third rate military power to a super power

I wonder what gave Gen. Marshall such crazy ideas.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Worst American General of WWII

Again I wouldn't go that far. Like Patton he was a consummate grand tactician....his strategic vision was a little cloudy.

What was Patton's "Strategic vision"?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

Pleeeeezzzze!

Careful...you may inspire me to expose George Marshall.....and you won't like it.

"One example of George Marshall's understanding of military science: He was testifying before a Senate committee in the summer of 1940, after the German break-through in France.
A senator asked him whether the army knew how to stop tanks. Marshall said he believed the jeep was the answer to the tank. To the flabbergasted senators, he explained: "As I conceive it, hundreds of jeeps will swarm over the battlefield, each of them towing a 37 millimeter anti-tank gun. That way we will put the tanks out of business."
As it turned out, the 37 millimeter anti-tank guns Marshall was talking about wouldn't stop a light tank at close range, but that was beside the point. What the German tiger and panther tanks might have done to a fleet of jeeps racing out on a battlefield would have been a spectacle."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 118-119

The Jeep helped win the war

The concept was the lethality of the guns towed to the point of battle, not the Jeeps themselves

Yes 1940 was a turning point for our military forces. We had maybe the seventh strongest military in the world. Thanks to the military excallation lead by Gen Marshall, we went from a third rate military power to a super power

I wonder what gave Gen. Marshall such crazy ideas.

37MM AT gun?

Can you name one German tank that the 37MM could pen?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is this the tenth rendition of this thread?

1. Actually, the very first.

2. But your post is a perfect example of the anti-intellectual campaign of Leftists: if it is not a lie or myth that advances Leftist, you don't want it heard.

The Liberal obligatory methodology: deny, marginalize, or ignore.

 

[Discombobulated]

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

Pleeeeezzzze!

Careful...you may inspire me to expose George Marshall.....and you won't like it.

"One example of George Marshall's understanding of military science: He was testifying before a Senate committee in the summer of 1940, after the German break-through in France.
A senator asked him whether the army knew how to stop tanks. Marshall said he believed the jeep was the answer to the tank. To the flabbergasted senators, he explained: "As I conceive it, hundreds of jeeps will swarm over the battlefield, each of them towing a 37 millimeter anti-tank gun. That way we will put the tanks out of business."
As it turned out, the 37 millimeter anti-tank guns Marshall was talking about wouldn't stop a light tank at close range, but that was beside the point. What the German tiger and panther tanks might have done to a fleet of jeeps racing out on a battlefield would have been a spectacle."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 118-119

The Jeep helped win the war

The concept was the lethality of the guns towed to the point of battle, not the Jeeps themselves

Yes 1940 was a turning point for our military forces. We had maybe the seventh strongest military in the world. Thanks to the military excallation lead by Gen Marshall, we went from a third rate military power to a super power

I wonder what gave Gen. Marshall such crazy ideas.

37MM AT gun?

Can you name one German tank that the 37MM could pen?

I can name several, in fact in 1940 that would be most German tanks. The Panzer 1, Panzer II, Panzer III, Czech Lt-35 and Lt-38, everything in the German arsenal at the time except the frontal armor of a Panzer Mk 4.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Recently, a poster wrote this about General George Patton:

"George Patton was pretty irrelevant politically."
General Patton Speaks With God Page 8 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


It is typical of the level of misunderstanding most folks have about the FDR era, from before WWII though the post-war period.
The fact is, this ignorance is exactly what the folks who rule the schools and the media wish. But understanding same give perspective on the political climate today.



Let's set the stage:

1. The economic policies of Franklin Roosevelt were based on those of the fascist, Benito Mussolini.... It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: 'Any people who must be governed according to the written codes [the United States Constitution] of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution.'
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.63


a. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins (U.S. Secretary of Labor) the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."

The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system.

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process...'
New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.

b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union." Manly, p. 48




2. And not just a student of Mussolini, Roosevelt had the same amiable relationship with Adolf Hitler..... The National Socialists hailed Roosevelt's ‘relief measures’ in ways you will recognize:

a. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.

b. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’

c. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”

The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”




3.In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, byFranklin D. Roosevelt andEdgar B. Nixon, p. 27.




So....the President of the United States looked to the economic programs of Mussolini and Hitler for direction.

Any other dictators he favored?


Yup.
I'll get to that....then General George S. Patton.

Political chick, now you are quoting patton? I am so in love with your mind

 

[Wyatt earp]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

No grant was a military genius and a political bumbling fool, payton was the best of the best

 

[AquaAthena]

My, my, another paste job from PoliticalShit.

When you are dead and gone, Franklin Delano Roosevelt will be remembered by the nation with Lincoln, Washington, and Jefferson. And those few who do remember you will simply remember a silly bitter old broad.

Prior to FDR the presumption of government was to produce the conditions for the pursuit of happiness ( understood as material well-being ) But dear FDR said, why stop there, the federal government can produce happiness. And ever since then, the Dems have been popular with freeloaders who embrace dependency upon anyone but themselves for their sustenance.

So I remember him for starting a

 

[rightwinger]

Worst American General of WWII

Again I wouldn't go that far. Like Patton he was a consummate grand tactician....his strategic vision was a little cloudy.

What was Patton's "Strategic vision"?

Kill the Russians?

 

[rightwinger]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

No grant was a military genius and a political bumbling fool, payton was the best of the best

Brady is better

 

[Wyatt earp]

FDR really said the government could produce personal happiness? What a moron

 

[Wyatt earp]

Brady who?

 

[Wyatt earp]

I have read a lot of biographies of Payton and Einstein, but Brady? Please elaborate

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

Pleeeeezzzze!

Careful...you may inspire me to expose George Marshall.....and you won't like it.

"One example of George Marshall's understanding of military science: He was testifying before a Senate committee in the summer of 1940, after the German break-through in France.
A senator asked him whether the army knew how to stop tanks. Marshall said he believed the jeep was the answer to the tank. To the flabbergasted senators, he explained: "As I conceive it, hundreds of jeeps will swarm over the battlefield, each of them towing a 37 millimeter anti-tank gun. That way we will put the tanks out of business."
As it turned out, the 37 millimeter anti-tank guns Marshall was talking about wouldn't stop a light tank at close range, but that was beside the point. What the German tiger and panther tanks might have done to a fleet of jeeps racing out on a battlefield would have been a spectacle."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 118-119

The Jeep helped win the war

The concept was the lethality of the guns towed to the point of battle, not the Jeeps themselves

Yes 1940 was a turning point for our military forces. We had maybe the seventh strongest military in the world. Thanks to the military excallation lead by Gen Marshall, we went from a third rate military power to a super power

I wonder what gave Gen. Marshall such crazy ideas.

37MM AT gun?

Can you name one German tank that the 37MM could pen?

I can name several, in fact in 1940 that would be most German tanks. The Panzer 1, Panzer II, Panzer III, Czech Lt-35 and Lt-38, everything in the German arsenal at the time except the frontal armor of a Panzer Mk 4.

That's actually a good answer! And had we fought the Germans in 1940, that would have been effective.

Also, Rommel had suggested that instead of concentrating on building tanks, the Germans should have build more towed 8.8 to fight the Russians who had the habit of charging head long into kill zones

By the time we actually crossed swords with them in 1943 we needed the 76 to pen the Mark IV's and the 90mm to have a chance at a Tiger (in service since 1942). I always thought it was negligent that we sent the Shermans into combat knowing they were under-armored and outgunned. It was Patton and the armor commanders that made the difference

 

[Wyatt earp]

Is that the guy who served under Payton? And he became a general and his boss?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Worst American General of WWII

Again I wouldn't go that far. Like Patton he was a consummate grand tactician....his strategic vision was a little cloudy.

What was Patton's "Strategic vision"?

Kill the Russians?

What he actually said was that WWII was a strategic failure for the US and Brits because all we did was exchange one Progressive dictator for another leaving "2 of 3 great European capitals in the hands of the descendants of Genghis Khan"

 

[AquaAthena]

FDR really said the government could produce personal happiness? What a moron

How profoundly did a Roosevelt change America? Leave it to commentator George Will, who declares, "Prior to Franklin Roosevelt, the assumption was that the federal government existed to produce the conditions for the pursuit of happiness. Frank Roosevelt said, 'Why stop there?'" Reaching several steps further, FDR wanted government to do nothing less than "deliver happiness," says Will, "in the form of material wealth."

PBS The Roosevelts spans a century of history

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR really said the government could produce personal happiness? What a moron

How profoundly did a Roosevelt change America? Leave it to commentator George Will, who declares, "Prior to Franklin Roosevelt, the assumption was that the federal government existed to produce the conditions for the pursuit of happiness. Frank Roosevelt said, 'Why stop there?'" Reaching several steps further, FDR wanted government to do nothing less than "deliver happiness," says Will, "in the form of material wealth."

PBS The Roosevelts spans a century of history

Amen.

 

[rightwinger]

Brady who?

Patriot General

 

[regent]

One of the problems with some generals is they go to West Point, graduate and wait for a war to get their name in lights. Those are the ones that should be carefully monitored. As the war progresses many are removed, some for misusing the troops in their ego quest, some for incompetence, and some, like Patton, put on leash and used in certain phases.
Maybe some of the best generals, are those whose names don't readily come to mind: Krueger, Bradley, Meade.