Poll: Do You Agree With Dr. Rand Paul That Dr. Anthony Fauci Lied to Congress Regarding NIH Funding Gain of Function Research in Wuhan?

[Jim H - VA USA]

You will never know what was going at at Wuhan because TRUMP pulled all of the Americans out of that lab and cut off all funding in August of 2019. The Chinese warned the world of covid at the end of December, and provided DNA to the WHO organization to work on the vaccine.

If you had left the researchers and scientists in that lab, you would KNOW what was going on in Wuhan. Dumb Donald strikes again.

Stop blaming Faucci and the CDC for the orange blob's stupid decisions.

Do you understand what root causes are?

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

Do any of you actually watch/read the bullshit you post?

- generic term "gain of function" is unregulated because it doesn't pose threat.

Only specific select agent gain of function research is regulated (SARS-COV being one of them).

The clip was released by the Select Subcommittee on The Coronavirus Pandemic today here:

Hearing Wrap Up: NIH Refutes EcoHealth’s Testimony, Tabak Reveals Federal Grant Procedures in Need of Serious Reform - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

Note that Fauci said this never happened - that the NIH did not fund GoF research.

Oh, but you're saying that the new testimony does not show Fauci was lying because this gain of function is different than Fauci's gain of function, eh?

Remember, we are talking about funding a Chinese lab here, to experiment with viruses.

 

[AntonToo]

The clip was released by the Select Subcommittee on The Coronavirus Pandemic today here:

Hearing Wrap Up: NIH Refutes EcoHealth’s Testimony, Tabak Reveals Federal Grant Procedures in Need of Serious Reform - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

Note that Fauci said this never happened - that the NIH did not fund GoF research.

Oh, but you're saying that the new testimony does not show Fauci was lying because this gain of function is different than Fauci's gain of function, eh?

Remember, we are talking about funding a Chinese lab here, to experiment with viruses.

Fauci talked about REGULATED GoF research, which SARS-COV research would fall under.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

Fauci talked about REGULATED GoF research, which SARS-COV research would fall under.

This research, which put a spike protein on SARS and made it infect mammals....

"This work was jointly funded by... the National Institutes of Health (NIAID R01AI110964)..."

"Recombinant viruses with the S gene of the novel bat SARSr-CoVs and the backbone of the infectious clone of SARSr-CoV WIV1 were constructed using the reverse genetic system described previously...."

"The spike sequence of Rs4231 was amplified with the primer pair (F-Rs4231-BsmBI, 5’-...

"Then the two prepared spike DNA fragments were separately inserted into BAC with Es, Fs and other fragments. The correct infectious BAC clones were screened. The chimeric viruses were rescued as described previously..."

"HeLa cells expressing human ACE2 and Vero E6 cells were cultured on coverslips in 24-well plates (Corning) incubated with the newly isolated or recombinant bat SARSr-CoVs at a multiplicity of infection (MOI) = 1.0 for 1h..."

"Virus replication was detected by using rabbit antibody against the nucleocapsid protein of bat SARSr-CoV Rp3 followed by Cy3-conjugated mouse anti-rabbit IgG...."

Discovery of a rich gene pool of bat SARS-related coronaviruses provides new insights into the origin of SARS coronavirus

Author summary Increasing evidence has been gathered to support the bat origin of SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV) in the past decade. However, none of the currently known bat SARSr-CoVs is thought to be the direct ancestor of SARS-CoV. Herein, we report the identification of a diverse group of bat...

journals.plos.org

Gain of function.

No question about it...

"Gain-of-function studies, or research that improves the ability of a pathogen to cause disease, help define the fundamental nature of human-pathogen interactions, thereby enabling assessment of the pandemic potential of emerging infectious agents, informing public health and preparedness efforts, and furthering medical countermeasure development."

https://www.phe.gov/s3/dualuse/documents/gain-of-function.pdf

And then Wuhan released COVID-19 which was engineered the same way.

 

[AntonToo]

This research, which put a spike protein on SARS and made it infect mammals....

"This work was jointly funded by... the National Institutes of Health (NIAID R01AI110964)..."

"Recombinant viruses with the S gene of the novel bat SARSr-CoVs and the backbone of the infectious clone of SARSr-CoV WIV1 were constructed using the reverse genetic system described previously...."

"The spike sequence of Rs4231 was amplified with the primer pair (F-Rs4231-BsmBI, 5’-...

"Then the two prepared spike DNA fragments were separately inserted into BAC with Es, Fs and other fragments. The correct infectious BAC clones were screened. The chimeric viruses were rescued as described previously..."

"HeLa cells expressing human ACE2 and Vero E6 cells were cultured on coverslips in 24-well plates (Corning) incubated with the newly isolated or recombinant bat SARSr-CoVs at a multiplicity of infection (MOI) = 1.0 for 1h..."

"Virus replication was detected by using rabbit antibody against the nucleocapsid protein of bat SARSr-CoV Rp3 followed by Cy3-conjugated mouse anti-rabbit IgG...."

Discovery of a rich gene pool of bat SARS-related coronaviruses provides new insights into the origin of SARS coronavirus

Author summary Increasing evidence has been gathered to support the bat origin of SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV) in the past decade. However, none of the currently known bat SARSr-CoVs is thought to be the direct ancestor of SARS-CoV. Herein, we report the identification of a diverse group of bat...

journals.plos.org

Gain of function.

No question about it...

"Gain-of-function studies, or research that improves the ability of a pathogen to cause disease, help define the fundamental nature of human-pathogen interactions, thereby enabling assessment of the pandemic potential of emerging infectious agents, informing public health and preparedness efforts, and furthering medical countermeasure development."

https://www.phe.gov/s3/dualuse/documents/gain-of-function.pdf

And then Wuhan released COVID-19 which was engineered the same way.

Cool story except that IS NOT what this NIH testimony talked about.

It was not about regulated PATHOGEN gain of function, but general term.

At no point in this testimony did anyone “admit” that NIH funded pathogen gain of function research at Wuhan Lab.

 

[Fueri]

May 11, 2021 "The NIH has not ever and does not now fund gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology." - Fauci

NIH definition

"Gain-of-Function Research​

The term gain-of-function (GOF) research describes a type of research that modifies a biological agent so that it confers new or enhanced activity to that agent."

That ^^^^ was the definition until October 2021, when the NIH pulled that page down and reworked the page dealing with this type of research to put up this page:

Research Involving Enhanced Potential Pandemic Pathogens​

Literally re-writing history.

 

[AntonToo]

For those with difficulty understanding simple things:

Did NIH fund SARS-COV related gain of function research?

Fauci in 2021: NO

NIH in 2024: NO

The rest is just spun up bs for the nutbags.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

For those with difficulty understanding simple things:

Did NIH fund SARS-COV related gain of function research?


The rest is just spun up bs for the nutbags.

No. That is not the question.

Fauci said, "The NIH has not ever and does not now fund gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology."

He lied under oath.

NIH funded GoF research at the Wuhan Lab, and they used the same techniques to create SARS-CoV-2.

You are the one spinning things.

 

[Rumpole]

Their testy exchange, where each accused the other of lying is here.



It would be helpful to watch the whole thing in order to cast an informed vote.

Basically, Rand Paul uses Fauci's own testimony, a paper from one of the Wuhan virologists stating that the research was being funded by NIH, and the NIH's own definition of "gain of function" to make the case that Fauci lied.

Fauci defended himself by saying that Dr. Paul does not know what he is talking about and he is the one who is lying (effectively, "nuh-uh").

Your vote will be publicly viewable, and you cannot change your vote.

There is no definitive "smoking gun" evidence that Dr. Anthony Fauci lied to Congress about NIH funding gain-of-function research in Wuhan. While there are documents and expert opinions supporting both sides of the argument, no conclusive proof has emerged to substantiate the claim that Fauci intentionally misled Congress about the nature of the research funded by the NIH. Fauci has worked all of his life for the good of the health of the nation, and, for me, if defies credulity that a man like Fauci would be involved in nefarious activity. He got into hot water during the Aids crisis, but as it turned out, both groups, the gays, and Fauci, became friends in the active fight against aids and what was initially being charged against him really wasn't true at all. I suspect it's a similar kind of thing.

Moreover, Rand Paul is not without controversy, himself, as Paul has been associated with various conspiracy theories, such as the claim that the U.S. is planning a European Union-style merger with Mexico and Canada. This theory involves the creation of a single North American currency, which he mentioned as part of a long-term goal for a borderless continent.

And throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, despite evidence to the contrary, Paul has questioned the efficacy of vaccines for people who have recovered from COVID-19 and has promoted the notion that natural immunity is sufficient. This stance is contrary to recommendations from health experts and the CDC. While natural immunity can provide protection, achieving it would require widespread exposure to COVID-19, resulting in a significantly higher number of deaths compared to the lives that could be saved through vaccination.

Nice logic, 'Dr' Paul. Thank providence he is not in charge of the NIH or the CDC.

 

[Lastamender]

There is no definitive "smoking gun" evidence that Dr. Anthony Fauci lied to Congress about NIH funding gain-of-function research in Wuhan. While there are documents and expert opinions supporting both sides of the argument, no conclusive proof has emerged to substantiate the claim that Fauci intentionally misled Congress about the nature of the research funded by the NIH. Fauci has worked all of his life for the good of the health of the nation, and, for me, if defies credulity that a man like Fauci would be involved in nefarious activity. He got into hot water during the Aids crisis, but as it turned out, both groups, the gays, and Fauci, became friends in the active fight against aids and what was initially being charged against him really wasn't true at all. I suspect it's a similar kind of thing.

Moreover, Rand Paul is not without controversy, himself, as Paul has been associated with various conspiracy theories, such as the claim that the U.S. is planning a European Union-style merger with Mexico and Canada. This theory involves the creation of a single North American currency, which he mentioned as part of a long-term goal for a borderless continent.

And throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, despite evidence to the contrary, Paul has questioned the efficacy of vaccines for people who have recovered from COVID-19 and has promoted the notion that natural immunity is sufficient. This stance is contrary to recommendations from health experts and the CDC. While natural immunity can provide protection, achieving it would require widespread exposure to COVID-19, resulting in a significantly higher number of deaths compared to the lives that could be saved through vaccination.

Nice logic, 'Dr' Paul. Thank providence he is not in charge of the NIH or the CDC.

Fauci lied to Congress. He belongs in jail like Navarro. And Navarro said nothing.

 

[Rumpole]

No. That is not the question.

Fauci said, "The NIH has not ever and does not now fund gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology."

He lied under oath.

NIH funded GoF research at the Wuhan Lab, and they used the same techniques to create SARS-CoV-2.

You are the one spinning things.

No, you are. There are experts making claims on both sides, but I'd say, given the totality of what is known, the evidence is on Fauci's side. The Wuhan Lab and the Gain-of-Function Disagreement - FactCheck.org

 

[Rumpole]

Fauci lied to Congress. He belongs in jail like Navarro. And Navarro said nothing.

There is no evidence that he lied to Congress. Navarro's contempt of congress was due to what he did, not what he said. If you are capable of making a false comparison, your ability to discern facts about a complicated issue as being discussed in this thread is far likely to not be up to the task, and, as such, your opinion can't be taken seriously.

 

[Rumpole]

poor FAKE-i....just another QUACK on the governments pay roll....rand paul is only telling the TRUTH....something scum demonRATS know nothing about

Since it is clear you are the type of individual that traffics in cheap shots, failure to substantiate claims, rant words, grandiose assumptions, weasel words, cavalier broad swipes, hyperbolic characterizations, snarky one liners, useless hypotheticals, sarcastic retorts, loaded terms, thought-terminating cliches, tired tropes, rank innuendo, and all in all, the type of verbiage so common to mindless fuckwits, you cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

And throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, despite evidence to the contrary, Paul has questioned the efficacy of vaccines for people who have recovered from COVID-19 and has promoted the notion that natural immunity is sufficient. This stance is contrary to recommendations from health experts and the CDC.

A well-written post, but it's full of malarkey...

 

[Lastamender]

There is no evidence that he lied to Congress. Navarro's contempt of congress was due to what he did, not what he said. If you are capable of making a false comparison, your ability to discern facts about a complicated issue as being discussed in this thread is far likely to not be up to the task, and, as such, your opinion can't be taken seriously.

Rand Paul caught him in a lie. You people refuse to accept the truth and think you can bully others into saying nothing. You are out of luck here.

 

[Rumpole]

Rand Paul caught him in a lie. You people refuse to accept the truth and think you can bully others into saying nothing. You are out of luck here.

You have no evidence.

 

[Lastamender]

You have no evidence.

You have no brain.

 

[Rumpole]

You have no brain.

Incompetent rebuttal, ad hominem.

Ad hominem arguments are not merit worthy, do not move the debate forward.

Asking you for evidence of your claim is reasonable.

Your failure is noted.

 

[Lastamender]

Incompetent rebuttal, ad hominem.

Ad hominem arguments are not merit worthy, do not move the debate forward.

Asking you for evidence of your claim is reasonable.

Your failure is noted.

You are not debating you are denying and lying. Next.

 

[AntonToo]

No. That is not the question.

Fauci said, "The NIH has not ever and does not now fund gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology."

He lied under oath.

NIH funded GoF research at the Wuhan Lab, and they used the same techniques to create SARS-CoV-2.

You are the one spinning things.

I think you have trouble telling established facts from your reaching fantasies.

There is no definitive evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was a product of gain of function research and there is no proof that NIH funded any such research.

Certainly that’s not what NIH testified.