The Politics of General Patton

[whitehall]

Make it clear to the low information union educated left that the NRA in this case is not the National Rifle Association, it's the National Recovery Act. The difference in the pop-culture history of MacArthur and Patton is interesting. Patton was probably the smarter, better informed and more skillful general but MacArthur created his own legacy with his relationship with the media and he comes out on top. The movies portrayed MacArthur by stalwart Greg Peck and Patton as played in a quirky way by George Scott.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

I haven't discussed Patton yet.

I estimate about seven panels in total....and, after you read same and then claim not to have....

...you will find that you are totally, and absolutely incorrect.

Stay tuned

That should be quite a treat. I can hardly wait to see how you politicize a military icon.....what else can you do since you couldn't possibly conduct an intelligent discussion of military history.

If only you were capable of learning.....(sigh...)

Please go on, do continue......I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation waiting for your next stunning revelation.

Had I known that, I would have greased the seat.

 

[Discombobulated]

Worst American General of WWII

Again I wouldn't go that far. Like Patton he was a consummate grand tactician....his strategic vision was a little cloudy.

 

[Discombobulated]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

I haven't discussed Patton yet.

I estimate about seven panels in total....and, after you read same and then claim not to have....

...you will find that you are totally, and absolutely incorrect.

Stay tuned

That should be quite a treat. I can hardly wait to see how you politicize a military icon.....what else can you do since you couldn't possibly conduct an intelligent discussion of military history.

If only you were capable of learning.....(sigh...)

Please go on, do continue......I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation waiting for your next stunning revelation.

Had I known that, I would have greased the seat.

Are you going to start in with that sexual stuff again?

 

[irosie91]

I wonder if you would mind making you point again......seems to be all over the place.

it was the equivalent of OFFICE PARTY------I no longer work-------you are just no fun------anymore. I consider
Roosevelt to have been a great man----who used his over-
bearing control in a time of great stress-----because it was
necessary--------<<< that was actually the point. Lots of
people hated him as a "socialist" When I was a little kid---
during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult------my dad remarked---
"if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid" I grew up in a small---semi rural, suburban town that was entirely republican and quite Nazi.
All governments are a bit socialist------that's
what taxes are-----redistribution of wealth. ----see? I am
FLEXIBLE!!!!!! -----marx was not a politician----he was a
THEORIST on economics. Darwin was not a Nazi<<<<
he was into biology. Freud was not a psychiatrist---he was a neurologist. Go right ahead and comment "all over the place"

1. "Roosevelt to have been a great man..."
True, if you have no love or respect for the Constitution


2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

3. "during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult---"
Still is, to the cogent.
Unless you are copacetic with over 100 million slaughtered by them.
Are you?


4. "if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid"
Because you were blackballed if you weren't.
. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.

5. "that was entirely republican and quite Nazi."
Did you notice that the OP showed how well FDR got along with Adolph Hitler?
Care to deny that?


6. I'd love to respond to you bringing in Darwin and Marx....also a fav topic for me...but for now I'll stick to FDR, Hitler and Mussolini.

In all seriousness...I loved your post, and really enjoyed responding to it.

I hope you can do the same with the rest of the thread I intend on posting.

I'm really looking forward to hearing about Patton.

GENERAL Patton------now you know it all ---or almost all
of it-------

I read Patton's book "The War As I Knew It" many years ago, I was hoping the author of the OP could add some perspective to Patton's recollections.

I haven't discussed Patton yet.

I estimate about seven panels in total....and, after you read same and then claim not to have....

...you will find that you are totally, and absolutely incorrect.

Stay tuned

That should be quite a treat. I can hardly wait to see how you politicize a military icon.....what else can you do since you couldn't possibly conduct an intelligent discussion of military history.

If only you were capable of learning.....(sigh...)

Please go on, do continue......I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation waiting for your next stunning revelation.

Had I known that, I would have greased the seat.

Are you going to start in with that sexual stuff again?

aw gee-----you one-upped me........ my retort was going to
be----"hey---no action below the waist"

 

[rightwinger]

Worst American General of WWII

Again I wouldn't go that far. Like Patton he was a consummate grand tactician....his strategic vision was a little cloudy.

He left himself undefended after being notified of Pear Harbor

His "I shall return" dictated the military strategy of the Pacific for personal reasons

 

[PoliticalChic]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

Pleeeeezzzze!

Careful...you may inspire me to expose George Marshall.....and you won't like it.

"One example of George Marshall's understanding of military science: He was testifying before a Senate committee in the summer of 1940, after the German break-through in France.
A senator asked him whether the army knew how to stop tanks. Marshall said he believed the jeep was the answer to the tank. To the flabbergasted senators, he explained: "As I conceive it, hundreds of jeeps will swarm over the battlefield, each of them towing a 37 millimeter anti-tank gun. That way we will put the tanks out of business."
As it turned out, the 37 millimeter anti-tank guns Marshall was talking about wouldn't stop a light tank at close range, but that was beside the point. What the German tiger and panther tanks might have done to a fleet of jeeps racing out on a battlefield would have been a spectacle."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 118-119

 

[Discombobulated]

it was the equivalent of OFFICE PARTY------I no longer work-------you are just no fun------anymore. I consider
Roosevelt to have been a great man----who used his over-
bearing control in a time of great stress-----because it was
necessary--------<<< that was actually the point. Lots of
people hated him as a "socialist" When I was a little kid---
during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult------my dad remarked---
"if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid" I grew up in a small---semi rural, suburban town that was entirely republican and quite Nazi.
All governments are a bit socialist------that's
what taxes are-----redistribution of wealth. ----see? I am
FLEXIBLE!!!!!! -----marx was not a politician----he was a
THEORIST on economics. Darwin was not a Nazi<<<<
he was into biology. Freud was not a psychiatrist---he was a neurologist. Go right ahead and comment "all over the place"

1. "Roosevelt to have been a great man..."
True, if you have no love or respect for the Constitution


2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

3. "during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult---"
Still is, to the cogent.
Unless you are copacetic with over 100 million slaughtered by them.
Are you?


4. "if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid"
Because you were blackballed if you weren't.
. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.

5. "that was entirely republican and quite Nazi."
Did you notice that the OP showed how well FDR got along with Adolph Hitler?
Care to deny that?


6. I'd love to respond to you bringing in Darwin and Marx....also a fav topic for me...but for now I'll stick to FDR, Hitler and Mussolini.

In all seriousness...I loved your post, and really enjoyed responding to it.

I hope you can do the same with the rest of the thread I intend on posting.

I'm really looking forward to hearing about Patton.

GENERAL Patton------now you know it all ---or almost all
of it-------

I read Patton's book "The War As I Knew It" many years ago, I was hoping the author of the OP could add some perspective to Patton's recollections.

That should be quite a treat. I can hardly wait to see how you politicize a military icon.....what else can you do since you couldn't possibly conduct an intelligent discussion of military history.

If only you were capable of learning.....(sigh...)

Please go on, do continue......I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation waiting for your next stunning revelation.

Had I known that, I would have greased the seat.

Are you going to start in with that sexual stuff again?

aw gee-----you one-upped me........ my retort was going to
be----"hey---no action below the waist"

So how about that Gen. Patton anyway........quite a guy huh. I wonder when we get to that part of the discussion?

 

[irosie91]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

Pleeeeezzzze!

Careful...you may inspire me to expose George Marshall.....and you won't like it.

"One example of George Marshall's understanding of military science: He was testifying before a Senate committee in the summer of 1940, after the German break-through in France.
A senator asked him whether the army knew how to stop tanks. Marshall said he believed the jeep was the answer to the tank. To the flabbergasted senators, he explained: "As I conceive it, hundreds of jeeps will swarm over the battlefield, each of them towing a 37 millimeter anti-tank gun. That way we will put the tanks out of business."
As it turned out, the 37 millimeter anti-tank guns Marshall was talking about wouldn't stop a light tank at close range, but that was beside the point. What the German tiger and panther tanks might have done to a fleet of jeeps racing out on a battlefield would have been a spectacle."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 118-119

ok----so he did not get to that page yet

 

[irosie91]

1. "Roosevelt to have been a great man..."
True, if you have no love or respect for the Constitution


2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

3. "during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult---"
Still is, to the cogent.
Unless you are copacetic with over 100 million slaughtered by them.
Are you?


4. "if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid"
Because you were blackballed if you weren't.
. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.

5. "that was entirely republican and quite Nazi."
Did you notice that the OP showed how well FDR got along with Adolph Hitler?
Care to deny that?


6. I'd love to respond to you bringing in Darwin and Marx....also a fav topic for me...but for now I'll stick to FDR, Hitler and Mussolini.

In all seriousness...I loved your post, and really enjoyed responding to it.

I hope you can do the same with the rest of the thread I intend on posting.

I'm really looking forward to hearing about Patton.

GENERAL Patton------now you know it all ---or almost all
of it-------

I read Patton's book "The War As I Knew It" many years ago, I was hoping the author of the OP could add some perspective to Patton's recollections.

If only you were capable of learning.....(sigh...)

Please go on, do continue......I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation waiting for your next stunning revelation.

Had I known that, I would have greased the seat.

Are you going to start in with that sexual stuff again?

aw gee-----you one-upped me........ my retort was going to
be----"hey---no action below the waist"

So how about that Gen. Patton anyway........quite a guy huh. I wonder when we get to that part of the discussion?

he was tall

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "Roosevelt to have been a great man..."
True, if you have no love or respect for the Constitution


2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

3. "during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult---"
Still is, to the cogent.
Unless you are copacetic with over 100 million slaughtered by them.
Are you?


4. "if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid"
Because you were blackballed if you weren't.
. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.

5. "that was entirely republican and quite Nazi."
Did you notice that the OP showed how well FDR got along with Adolph Hitler?
Care to deny that?


6. I'd love to respond to you bringing in Darwin and Marx....also a fav topic for me...but for now I'll stick to FDR, Hitler and Mussolini.

In all seriousness...I loved your post, and really enjoyed responding to it.

I hope you can do the same with the rest of the thread I intend on posting.

I'm really looking forward to hearing about Patton.

GENERAL Patton------now you know it all ---or almost all
of it-------

I read Patton's book "The War As I Knew It" many years ago, I was hoping the author of the OP could add some perspective to Patton's recollections.

If only you were capable of learning.....(sigh...)

Please go on, do continue......I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation waiting for your next stunning revelation.

Had I known that, I would have greased the seat.

Are you going to start in with that sexual stuff again?

aw gee-----you one-upped me........ my retort was going to
be----"hey---no action below the waist"

So how about that Gen. Patton anyway........quite a guy huh. I wonder when we get to that part of the discussion?

I tried being impatient....but who has time for it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

He correctly predicted Ike would run for President. He also wasn't a big fan of your Uncle Joe

 

[CrusaderFrank]

My, my, another paste job from PoliticalShit.

When you are dead and gone, Franklin Delano Roosevelt will be remembered by the nation with Lincoln, Washington, and Jefferson. And those few who do remember you will simply remember a silly bitter old broad.

Progressives are the nastiest, most vile and evil people on the planet

 

[Discombobulated]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

Pleeeeezzzze!

Careful...you may inspire me to expose George Marshall.....and you won't like it.

"One example of George Marshall's understanding of military science: He was testifying before a Senate committee in the summer of 1940, after the German break-through in France.
A senator asked him whether the army knew how to stop tanks. Marshall said he believed the jeep was the answer to the tank. To the flabbergasted senators, he explained: "As I conceive it, hundreds of jeeps will swarm over the battlefield, each of them towing a 37 millimeter anti-tank gun. That way we will put the tanks out of business."
As it turned out, the 37 millimeter anti-tank guns Marshall was talking about wouldn't stop a light tank at close range, but that was beside the point. What the German tiger and panther tanks might have done to a fleet of jeeps racing out on a battlefield would have been a spectacle."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 118-119

At the time 37mm anti tank guns were standard in both the US and German forces, the conventional wisdom of the time was rapidly evolving as mobile combined arms warfare was still in it's infancy. But you probably knew all that already.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

I wouldn't go that far, Patton was a grand tactician but not much of a strategist. He had always been a strong proponent of mobile combined arms warfare and he sought to emulate German early war victories......in this he was successful.

He recommended immediately closing the Falaise pocket and crushing most of the German resistance in the West. he wrote in his diary the Bradley lost his nerve and unnecessarily gave the Germans an easy out.

You should stick to stuff you know

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Tailgunner Joe actually underestimated the extent to which your Communist forefathers had infiltrated Democrats White House and were directing US policy to benefit Stalin, Mao and Tito

 

[rightwinger]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

Pleeeeezzzze!

Careful...you may inspire me to expose George Marshall.....and you won't like it.

"One example of George Marshall's understanding of military science: He was testifying before a Senate committee in the summer of 1940, after the German break-through in France.
A senator asked him whether the army knew how to stop tanks. Marshall said he believed the jeep was the answer to the tank. To the flabbergasted senators, he explained: "As I conceive it, hundreds of jeeps will swarm over the battlefield, each of them towing a 37 millimeter anti-tank gun. That way we will put the tanks out of business."
As it turned out, the 37 millimeter anti-tank guns Marshall was talking about wouldn't stop a light tank at close range, but that was beside the point. What the German tiger and panther tanks might have done to a fleet of jeeps racing out on a battlefield would have been a spectacle."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 118-119

The Jeep helped win the war

The concept was the lethality of the guns towed to the point of battle, not the Jeeps themselves

Yes 1940 was a turning point for our military forces. Marshall did not have much. We had barely a top 20 military in the world. Thanks to the military escallation lead by Gen Marshall, we went from a third rate military power to a super power

Your Number s Up - America in WWII magazine

 

[Discombobulated]

I'm really looking forward to hearing about Patton.

GENERAL Patton------now you know it all ---or almost all
of it-------

I read Patton's book "The War As I Knew It" many years ago, I was hoping the author of the OP could add some perspective to Patton's recollections.

Please go on, do continue......I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation waiting for your next stunning revelation.

Had I known that, I would have greased the seat.

Are you going to start in with that sexual stuff again?

aw gee-----you one-upped me........ my retort was going to
be----"hey---no action below the waist"

So how about that Gen. Patton anyway........quite a guy huh. I wonder when we get to that part of the discussion?

he was tall

He smoked cigars and carried a pair of 1873 Colts with ivory grips.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

At least. PoliticalShit harps on Roosevelt and evolution about once every two weeks. Finds the damndest obscure assholes to quote.

Nasty AGWCultist.The stuff you spew is a far great pollutant than your CO2

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Actually, sometime in the future, someone will write a great book on the great American political tragedy that Nixon was. During Nixon's terms, many good things were done for America. Had Nixon had the ability to turn off his paranoa once he sat in the Oval Office, he would probably be remembered as one of the great Presidents.

IF Nixon was paranoid, what's your boy Obama, who actually used the IRS and NSA against his political 'enemies"