The national debt just crossed $39 trillion—almost doubling since Trump vowed to erase it

[JonKoch]

Trump was only convicted of some NYC business records stuff

Not crimes against the United States or anything with Russia

Elon helped Trump? Ok, so what?

ONLY? 34 FELONIES? His Corp found guilty of 17 felonies? He was fount guilty of sexual assault AND WOULD'VE BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF DOZENS OF CRIMES

Trump Prosecuted in the Southern District of Florida​

On June 8, 2023, President Donald Trump and his aide Waltine Nauta were indicted by a federal grand jury in the Southern District of Florida. A superseding indictment was unsealed on July 27, 2023, which charged an additional defendant, Carlos De Oliveira. The indictment charges Trump and his co-defendants with:

• 32 counts of willfully retaining national defense information (18 U.S.C. § 793(e))
• 5 counts of obstruction of justice (18 U.S.C. § 1512)
• 1 count of interfering with a federal investigation (18 U.S.C § 1519)
• 4 counts of making false statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001(a))

Trump Prosecuted in the District of Columbia​

On Aug. 1, 2023, former President Donald Trump was indicted by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C. on:

• 1 count of corruptly obstructing an official proceeding ( 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(2))
• 1 count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding ( 18 U.S.C. § 1512(k))
• 1 count of conspiracy to defraud the United States (18 U.S.C. § 371)
• 1 count of conspiracy against rights (18 U.S.C. § 241)

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Trump Prosecuted in Fulton County, Georgia​

On Aug. 14, 2023, former President Trump, along with 18 co-defendants, were indicted by a grand jury in Fulton County on:​

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• 1 count of violating the Georgia RICO Act (Ga. Code § 16-14) for allegedly conspiring and endeavoring "to conduct and participate in, directly and indirectly, such enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity *
• 6 counts of solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer (Ga. Code § 16-4-7 and § 16-10-1)***
  

 

[JonKoch]

1) I didn’t hear Obama say that
2) yes we are aware Obama backed off nato defensive programs for Russia

And that helps your point how?

Got it, a cult follower without a brain

 

[struth]

ONLY? 34 FELONIES? His Corp found guilty of 17 felonies? He was fount guilty of sexual assault AND WOULD'VE BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF DOZENS OF CRIMES

Trump Prosecuted in the Southern District of Florida​

On June 8, 2023, President Donald Trump and his aide Waltine Nauta were indicted by a federal grand jury in the Southern District of Florida. A superseding indictment was unsealed on July 27, 2023, which charged an additional defendant, Carlos De Oliveira. The indictment charges Trump and his co-defendants with:

• 32 counts of willfully retaining national defense information (18 U.S.C. § 793(e))
• 5 counts of obstruction of justice (18 U.S.C. § 1512)
• 1 count of interfering with a federal investigation (18 U.S.C § 1519)
• 4 counts of making false statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001(a))

Trump Prosecuted in the District of Columbia​

On Aug. 1, 2023, former President Donald Trump was indicted by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C. on:

• 1 count of corruptly obstructing an official proceeding ( 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(2))
• 1 count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding ( 18 U.S.C. § 1512(k))
• 1 count of conspiracy to defraud the United States (18 U.S.C. § 371)
• 1 count of conspiracy against rights (18 U.S.C. § 241)

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Trump Prosecuted in Fulton County, Georgia​

On Aug. 14, 2023, former President Trump, along with 18 co-defendants, were indicted by a grand jury in Fulton County on:​

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• 1 count of violating the Georgia RICO Act (Ga. Code § 16-14) for allegedly conspiring and endeavoring "to conduct and participate in, directly and indirectly, such enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity *
• 6 counts of solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer (Ga. Code § 16-4-7 and § 16-10-1)***
  

Yes only

We are aware of how the NY legislature had to change the law to go after Trump

We are aware of the fascism

Meanwhile, we are aware of the decades long blanket pardons the demafasict in the xiden admin threw out….like Nazis throwing burning files

 

[markef]

So no you can't point to much that increased debt like Ronnie Reagan when he gutted revenues AND increased spending? Or Dubya's 2 UNFUNDED tax cuts WHILE we went to 2 UNFUNDED wars? Tack on the privatization of Medicare Dubya/GOP did in 2003, it's about half the debt Obama had in his 8 years.

Without getting all into the weeds, we should be able to agree that we have accurate yearly records of the level of national debt going back many decades, so yes, the debt almost doubled from 2008 ($10.025 trillion) to 2016 ($19, 573 trillion). The debt nearly doubled on Obama's watch, in spite of all the other good things that might be said about the man.

 

[markef]

YES, She showed people within the same income and credit score were given loans while in certain areas, like her neighborhood she wasn't. THAT'S CALLED REDLINING. IT'S BEEN ILLEGAL FOR DECADES (LATE 1960's?)

I remain skeptical that all factors involved were equally considered. Democrats and blacks have been falsely crying racism so much in this century that their claims have become less believable.

 

[markef]

STOP THE IDIOCY. LFP has ben shown what was going to happen

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[markef]

Got it you are simply stoopid.


The 1994 Budapest Memorandum holds no "trigger" clause, meaning it lacks legally binding automatic military obligations for signatories (US, UK, Russia) to defend Ukraine. It provides political "assurances" rather than "guarantees," pledging only to respect sovereignty and seek UN Security Council action if violated.

Clinton signed a promise to come to Ukraine's aid if they were attacked, in exchange for Ukraine giving upn their nukes. Ukraine gave up their nukes but American democrats never intended to honor their promise in the deal.

Trump Revives False Narrative on Biden and Ukraine​

As we’ve written, there’s no evidence Hunter Biden was being investigated.

Trump Revives False Narrative on Biden and Ukraine - FactCheck.org

At a campaign rally in Iowa, President Trump cited an unsubstantiated news report to revive a widely debunked false narrative about Joe Biden's work in Ukraine on behalf of the Obama administration.

www.factcheck.org

Democrats and their propagandists did a 'great job' hiding what the Bidens were really doing in Ukraine.

Fact check: Biden leveraged $1B in aid to Ukraine to oust corrupt prosecutor, not to help his son​

Fact check: Biden leveraged $1B in aid to Ukraine to oust corrupt prosecutor, not to help his son

Despite a Senate GOP investigation that found no wrongdoing by Joe Biden on foreign policy in Ukraine, claims to the contrary continue to circulate.

www.usatoday.com

Biden took it upon himself to threaten to withhold US aid to Ukraine if Poroshenko did niot fire Shokin, who had just seized Hunter's boss's assetts in his successful ongoing invesrtigation and prosecution. Biden's quid-pro-quo threat was 'if you do not fire the guy who just seized Hunter's boss's assets you will not get your damn money.'

 

[markef]

HEY MORON, GO TO YOUR OWN LINK AND READ IT IDIOT. YOUR HYPELINK SAYS 91% NOT YOUR DAMN ARTICLE. ******* MAGGOTS

I recommend everyone take advantage of as many sources of information as he can, especially when trying to ascertain all the pertinent facts and details about a subject.

 

[markef]

MORON, LEARN WHAT AN ARTICLE LINK IS AND THE DIFFERNCE WITH A HYPERLINK. This is twice you've claimed BS off a hyperlink that the article itself doesn't say

The point is that there is not one universal tax rate and trying to demonize one party over another over dissimilar tax rates is a dishonest shell game.


Historically, the top marginal tax rate for the top 1% of earners has varied significantly over time. In the 1950s, the top marginal income tax rate reached 92%, but the top 1% effectively paid only 16.9% of all income taxes. Over the years, the top marginal tax rate has fluctuated, with rates peaking at 94% in 1944-1945 and declining to around 39.6% in the 1980s. The top 1% has consistently paid a smaller share of total income taxes compared to the top marginal rate, often due to various tax expenditures and deductions that reduce their effective tax rate.

 

[markef]

The point is that there is not one universal tax rate and trying to demonize one party over another over dissimilar tax rates is a dishonest shell game.


Historically, the top marginal tax rate for the top 1% of earners has varied significantly over time. In the 1950s, the top marginal income tax rate reached 92%, but the top 1% effectively paid only 16.9% of all income taxes. Over the years, the top marginal tax rate has fluctuated, with rates peaking at 94% in 1944-1945 and declining to around 39.6% in the 1980s. The top 1% has consistently paid a smaller share of total income taxes compared to the top marginal rate, often due to various tax expenditures and deductions that reduce their effective tax rate.

The reason it is a good idea to read several articles about a subject is because it is not uncommon to find huge discrepancies beween the submitted claims.

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The last year the U.S. government allowed a marginal tax rate of more than 85% was 1944, when the top marginal income tax rate reached 94%. This significant increase was part of wartime measures to fund the war effort.
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Not 91%
The highest marginal tax rate in 1978 was not 91%. The top marginal tax rate in the United States peaked at 91% in 1964 and continued to be around 35% until the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which reduced it to 36%. Therefore, the claim of 91% is incorrect.
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91%
The highest marginal tax rate during President Carter's administration was not 90%. In fact, the top marginal tax rate was 91% for incomes above $400,000 during that time. This rate remained above 90% for nearly two decades, sitting at 91% through the presidencies of Harry S. Truman and Dwight D. Eisenhower.
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Sorting through the confusion it is apparently true that the last year the highest marginal tax rate was 91% was in 1964.https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=8db5...y9tYXJnaW5hbC10YXgtcmF0ZXMtdGltZWxpbmUv&ntb=1
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[JonKoch]

Without getting all into the weeds, we should be able to agree that we have accurate yearly records of the level of national debt going back many decades, so yes, the debt almost doubled from 2008 ($10.025 trillion) to 2016 ($19, 573 trillion). The debt nearly doubled on Obama's watch, in spite of all the other good things that might be said about the man.

Yep, when the GOP digs a hole, they dig it deep

 

[JonKoch]

Yes only

We are aware of how the NY legislature had to change the law to go after Trump

We are aware of the fascism

Meanwhile, we are aware of the decades long blanket pardons the demafasict in the xiden admin threw out….like Nazis throwing burning files

REMAIN SKEPTICAL, LOTS OF PROOF OF MANY WHO WERE ALSO DENIED, IN REDLINED AREA HERE


Amended Complaint | Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank N.D. Ill. | Civil Rights Litigation Clearinghouse




The Home Mortgage Disclosure Act ("HMDA") data8 provided by both parties indicates that in 1992 and 1993, the percentage of loan applications approved by citibank was far lower in areas where the racial composition of the neighborhood was predominantly African-American than it was in areas where the composition of the neighborhood was predominantly White.


In 1992, for example, citibank denied refinancing loans to only 19% of upper-income applicants living in areas with less than 10% minority populations. In that same year and income bracket, Citibank denied refinancing loans to 42% of the applicants in areas with an 80-100% minority population

Plaintiffs allege that 1992–1993 Citibank data in Illinois, showing over 780 African-American home loan denials, indicates a pattern of racial discrimination in mortgage lending. They claim this constitutes a policy of rejecting applicants based on race or the racial composition of their neighborhoods.

Such actions align with historically documented, systemic discrimination where minority applicants face significantly higher denial rates than white counterparts, regardless of income levels

[Opinion certifying class] | Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank N.D. Ill. | Civil Rights Litigation Clearinghouse

Civil Rights Litigation Clearninghouse document [Opinion certifying class] of Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank

clearinghouse.net

 

[JonKoch]

The point is that there is not one universal tax rate and trying to demonize one party over another over dissimilar tax rates is a dishonest shell game.


Historically, the top marginal tax rate for the top 1% of earners has varied significantly over time. In the 1950s, the top marginal income tax rate reached 92%, but the top 1% effectively paid only 16.9% of all income taxes. Over the years, the top marginal tax rate has fluctuated, with rates peaking at 94% in 1944-1945 and declining to around 39.6% in the 1980s. The top 1% has consistently paid a smaller share of total income taxes compared to the top marginal rate, often due to various tax expenditures and deductions that reduce their effective tax rate.

NO FUC$IN POINT MADE, YOU ASSERTED CARTER HAD A TOP RATE OF 91% AND RONNIE LOWERED IT TO 70%, THAT WAS A LIE, NOT A SHELL GAME. FACTS ARE FACTS

 

[JonKoch]

Clinton signed a promise to come to Ukraine's aid if they were attacked, in exchange for Ukraine giving upn their nukes. Ukraine gave up their nukes but American democrats never intended to honor their promise in the deal.

Democrats and their propagandists did a 'great job' hiding what the Bidens were really doing in Ukraine.

Biden took it upon himself to threaten to withhold US aid to Ukraine if Poroshenko did niot fire Shokin, who had just seized Hunter's boss's assetts in his successful ongoing invesrtigation and prosecution. Biden's quid-pro-quo threat was 'if you do not fire the guy who just seized Hunter's boss's assets you will not get your damn money.'

MORE RIGHT WING BS NOT BASED IN FACT. I PRESENTED LINKS, YOU HAVE RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS. I'M SURE COMER IS COMING OUT ANY DAY ON ALL THE PROOF HE HAD ON THE BIDENS THOUGH

 

[JonKoch]

Clinton signed a promise to come to Ukraine's aid if they were attacked, in exchange for Ukraine giving upn their nukes. Ukraine gave up their nukes but American democrats never intended to honor their promise in the deal.

Democrats and their propagandists did a 'great job' hiding what the Bidens were really doing in Ukraine.

Biden took it upon himself to threaten to withhold US aid to Ukraine if Poroshenko did niot fire Shokin, who had just seized Hunter's boss's assetts in his successful ongoing invesrtigation and prosecution. Biden's quid-pro-quo threat was 'if you do not fire the guy who just seized Hunter's boss's assets you will not get your damn money.'

The 1994 Budapest Memorandum holds no "trigger" clause, meaning it lacks legally binding automatic military obligations for signatories (US, UK, Russia) to defend Ukraine. It provides political "assurances" rather than "guarantees," pledging only to respect sovereignty and seek UN Security Council action if violated.

YOU KLOWNS WOULD'VE BEEN JUMPING UP AND DOWN AT THE BLACK GUY IF HE DID IT AS YOU SUGGEST!

WHERE IS THE GOP BILLS ASKING OBAMA/BIDEN TO DO IT, YOU KNOW CONGRESS AND WAR? SOMETHING YOU KLOWNS IGNORE WITH CHEETO/IRAN

 

[markef]

Yep, when the GOP digs a hole, they dig it deep

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Amateurs worry about deficits. Experts are concerned about the unsustainable debt which is a far more serious threat to America.

 

[markef]

NO FUC$IN POINT MADE, YOU ASSERTED CARTER HAD A TOP RATE OF 91% AND RONNIE LOWERED IT TO 70%, THAT WAS A LIE, NOT A SHELL GAME. FACTS ARE FACTS

I was wr5ong. I got bad info off the net, which is quite common. Thank you for pointing out that the 91% tax rate was eliminated in 1964 and that nobody on either side of the aisle has 'raised significant taxes on the rich' regardless of promises to do so.

 

[markef]

MORE RIGHT WING BS NOT BASED IN FACT. I PRESENTED LINKS, YOU HAVE RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS. I'M SURE COMER IS COMING OUT ANY DAY ON ALL THE PROOF HE HAD ON THE BIDENS THOUGH

I got pages of documents on what really transpired in Ukraine with Biden and Poroshenko. I don't need to wait for Comer to confirm my findings.

 

[markef]

The 1994 Budapest Memorandum holds no "trigger" clause, meaning it lacks legally binding automatic military obligations for signatories (US, UK, Russia) to defend Ukraine. It provides political "assurances" rather than "guarantees," pledging only to respect sovereignty and seek UN Security Council action if violated.

YOU KLOWNS WOULD'VE BEEN JUMPING UP AND DOWN AT THE BLACK GUY IF HE DID IT AS YOU SUGGEST!

WHERE IS THE GOP BILLS ASKING OBAMA/BIDEN TO DO IT, YOU KNOW CONGRESS AND WAR? SOMETHING YOU KLOWNS IGNORE WITH CHEETO/IRAN

Why are democrats trying to excuse Obama's refusal to honor the promises made in the Budapest Memorandum? Did Clinton not make those promises? Do democrats believe that promises made by democrats never have to be kept?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Somehow, I'm not surprised..it seems that spending other people's money has been our President's go-to since childhood.
It's clear that Trump, like all the others before him, only give lip service to reducing the debt.

The national debt just crossed $39 trillion—almost doubling since Trump vowed to erase it | Fortune

Budget experts agree on one thing. The debt is on an "unsustainable" trajectory.

fortune.com

The United States national debt crossed $39 trillion for the first time Tuesday, arriving at the grim milestone less than five months after it first hit $38 trillion in late October—a pace of accumulation that budget watchdogs and academic economists are now calling, with unusual unanimity, “unsustainable.”

The milestone, confirmed in Wednesday’s Daily Treasury Statement, lands amid a politically charged moment: it comes roughly two weeks before the ten-year anniversary of President Trump’s 2016 campaign promise to eliminate the national debt within eight years. Instead, the gross national debt has roughly doubled since Trump first took office—it was $19.9 trillion in January 2017.

“Our moral duty to the taxpayer requires us to make our Government leaner and more accountable,” President Trump wrote in March 2017, as he issued an executive order directing OMB Director Mick Mulvaney to submit a comprehensive plan to reorganize Executive Branch departments and agencies in order to keep his promise to put in place common sense reforms to eliminate waste so that the Government better serves all Americans. “We’re going to do more with less,” Trump said at the time.

“As America soars past $39 trillion in debt, we must recognize this alarming rate of growth and the significant financial burden we are putting on the next generation,” Michael A. Peterson, CEO of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, told Fortune in a statement. “Borrowing trillion after trillion at this rapid pace with no plan in place is the definition of unsustainable.”

Stop paying welfare and soon the national debt would be gone. People dont work, people dont get free stuff, soon they will be working thus no longer a drain on the tax payer, but become productive tax payers themselves. You can blame the brown turd Obama who with a stroke of his pen, make welfare permanent while Clinton signed the Contract with America that only allowed two years of welfare, then it was gone.