The left's war on meat and people living well....

Most of us are able to make our points without walls of text.

We already throw tons of money at these issues, and most of it gets sucked up by the administration costs, which is a feature, not a bug.
You want to discuss serious, complex issues then whine about your opponent's long posts. For every line of bullshit you write, it might take two or three lines or more to debunk it.

We don't throw "tons of money" at the problems I mentioned, nor do we have a workable strategy or action plan, because if we did, we would eliminate homelessness. The greatest obstacle to allocating funds to social services and eliminating homelessness are the Republicans. The private sector is often more bureaucratic, autocratic, and inefficient than the government, so your anti-government "administrative" red-tape claim is an old worn-out, fallacious capitalist polemic. Capitalists and their brainwashed working-class serfs hate democratic government because it is the strong arm of the people, which undermines their destructive pursuits and self-serving power.
 
You want to discuss serious, complex issues then whine about your opponent's long posts. For every line of bullshit you write, it might take two or three lines or more to debunk it.

We don't throw "tons of money" at the problems I mentioned, nor do we have a workable strategy or action plan, because if we did, we would eliminate homelessness. The greatest obstacle to allocating funds to social services and eliminating homelessness are the Republicans. The private sector is often more bureaucratic, autocratic, and inefficient than the government, so your anti-government "administrative" red-tape claim is an old worn-out, fallacious capitalist polemic. Capitalists and their brainwashed working-class serfs hate democratic government because it is the strong arm of the people, which undermines their destructive pursuits and self-serving power.

If you knew what you were talking about, you could do it.

We sure as shit throw tons of money at this, but it's NEVER enough, because the bureaucracy takes too big a bite, and we all know they just do enough so people don't die too much, thus propagating the problem, and keeping them employed.

Of course as a commie you have no issue with lying, so there is no point in really discussing this with you rationally.
 
If you knew what you were talking about, you could do it.

We sure as shit throw tons of money at this, but it's NEVER enough, because the bureaucracy takes too big a bite, and we all know they just do enough so people don't die too much, thus propagating the problem, and keeping them employed.

Of course as a commie you have no issue with lying, so there is no point in really discussing this with you rationally.

"If you knew what you were talking about, you would do it"...Inconherent conservatard drivel. The Housing First program in Utah was defunded by Republicans after several years of that housing program essentially eliminating homelessness in Salt Lake City. It actually costs less to house a homeless person in their own studio apartment than to allow them to sleep rough outside, because when people sleep in the park, on sidewalks, or in places where they shouldn't be, it's much more expensive. Property damage, trespassing arrests, and incarceration. Urinating and defecating in public, drugs, violence, medical emergencies..etc. Homelessness is orders of magnitude more expensive than simply housing people. Just house them.
 
"If you knew what you were talking about, you would do it"...Inconherent conservatard drivel. The Housing First program in Utah was defunded by Republicans after several years of that housing program essentially eliminating homelessness in Salt Lake City. It actually costs less to house a homeless person in their own studio apartment than to allow them to sleep rough outside, because when people sleep in the park, on sidewalks, or in places where they shouldn't be, it's much more expensive. Property damage, trespassing arrests, and incarceration. Urinating and defecating in public, drugs, violence, medical emergencies..etc. Homelessness is orders of magnitude more expensive than simply housing people. Just house them.

Except when you have to constantly fix the housing and they refuse to give up their habits.
 
Except when you have to constantly fix the housing and they refuse to give up their habits.
That depends on who they are, what drug they're using, assuming they're using drugs at all. After they get housed, it's much easier to provide them with the counseling and support they need to kick their bad habits. That has been the case in Utah and here in NYC. I work with the homeless through a program called "Harlem United", and we house them and provide all of the assistance they need to get clean and sober. I can tell you of hundreds of people that we've helped.

If you leave people outside sleeping on the sidewalk, it is even more expensive. You can look this up online. The average homeless person costs society tens of thousands of dollars monthly in court costs, medical emergencies, vandalism, sanitation, panhandling in front of businesses, shoplifting..etc. The program in Utah was working phenomenally well, despite of your conjured-up exaggerated objections and attempts to abandon these people in our streets. Our organization funded by the CityFHEPs program, the VA, and other government agencies, is also making a huge difference.

We're constantly fighting Republican politicians in city counsels and at the state and federal level to prevent being defunded.
 
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One breadwinner in the family, typically the husband, was enough when our economy was essentially a leftist, highly unionized, labor-affirmative, and oriented economy. The bottom line for the American business enterprise wasn't just profits, but to serve the community and the nation. The average salary of CEOs for large companies back then was 20 times that of their workers. Today in 2023 the average salary of a CEO for one of the Fortune 500, is 300+ times more than their workers. Today the economy serves the wealthy elites at the expense of working-class people

This is America, and we can easily eliminate homelessness and the substance abuse epidemic, but unfortunately, Republicans continue defunding programs that house the homeless and provide them with the services they need to get back on their feet. You also defund government programs that provide assistance to single mothers, helping them raise their children.

The hypocrisy of these conservatives is quite amazing.
Oedipus-Complex Politics

So is your hypocrisy, pretending to care about blue-collar workers but then prioritizing the lazy crybaby homeless and the spoiled-brat self-indulgent drug addicts, who are just the opposite of hard-working Americans. They are what Marx called the "lumpen proletariat."

You attack wealth, but never distinguish between what is earned and what is inherited. That reveals the well-hidden fact that Socialism is nothing more than a hostile takeover of Capitalism by Preppy Progressives too impatient to wait for their inheritance to put them at the top without meriting their pre-ordained supremacy.

Upper-class snobbery is also the reason that the Legacy Left treats working-class Whites as useful idiots and are extremely resentful that we saw through their game and wouldn't let them take over from the Scrooges.
 
Reagan’s policies gave us the longest sustained economic boom and you guys have to lie about it….

From the New York Times on the expansion of the black middle class during the Reagan years…..

More black Americans than ever moved into the upper middle class in the 1980's,
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And despite a doubling of the proportion of affluent blacks -- those with family incomes of $50,000 or more
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The increase in the number of affluent black families since the late 1960's was one of the few positive trends noted in the report.


It said that in 1989, one in seven black families had an income of $50,000 or more. That compared with only one of 17 black families who had similar incomes, adjusted for inflation, in 1967.



The 1980s was the beginning of the end of the working class in this country, along with our manufacturing base.









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That depends on who they are, what drug they're using, assuming they're using drugs at all. After they get housed, it's much easier to provide them with the counseling and support they need to kick their bad habits. That has been the case in Utah and here in NYC. I work with the homeless through a program called "Harlem United", and we house them and provide all of the assistance they need to get clean and sober. I can tell you of hundreds of people that we've helped.

If you leave people outside sleeping on the sidewalk, it is even more expensive. You can look this up online. The average homeless person costs society tens of thousands of dollars monthly in court costs, medical emergencies, vandalism, sanitation, panhandling in front of businesses, shoplifting..etc. The program in Utah was working phenomenally well, despite of your conjured-up exaggerated objections and attempts to abandon these people in our streets. Our organization funded by the CityFHEPs program, the VA, and other government agencies, is also making a huge difference.

We're constantly fighting Republican politicians in city counsels and at the state and federal level to prevent being defunded.
Put Those Lazy Spoiled Brats on a Chain Gang
 
Liberals have Always felt that what they dont have No One should be able to have. Reality kept that in check but we abandoned Reality for TDS 5 years ago.
 
American liberals aren't leftists. Marxists like myself are scientific materialists, we don't believe a man can declare himself a woman, wear a dress and some makeup, and become an actual woman. That has nothing to do with socialism. Capitalism created all of this gender dysphoria by funding the activists and getting children hooked on hormones for the rest of their lives. The medical industry sees all of this as a lucrative business opportunity. The American ruling elites love the idea of emasculating working-class men, turning them into effeminate servile employees/exploitees.

Capitalism hates the family, forcing women to get a job to help their husbands pay the bills. The golden age of our economy was after WW2, between the late 1940s and late 60s, one might argue even up to about 1980. The top tax rate was 90% in the 1950s and 60s, and a significant % of our workforce was unionized.

One breadwinner in the family, typically the husband, was enough when our economy was essentially a leftist, highly unionized, labor-affirmative, and oriented economy. The bottom line for the American business enterprise wasn't just profits, but to serve the community and the nation. The average salary of CEOs for large companies back then was 20 times that of their workers. Today in 2023 the average salary of a CEO for one of the Fortune 500, is 300+ times more than their workers. Today the economy serves the wealthy elites at the expense of working-class people.

Supply-side, trickle-down economics, i.e. Reaganomics, gutted the American working class. It stripped America of its manufacturing base, broke up most of the unions, dramatically increased the cost of living and plunged America into heavy debt due to all of the tax breaks for the rich, that supposedly were going to "trickle down" to the working class. The problem is that the "trickle-down" doesn't trickle, it rather congeals at the top.

This is America, and we can easily eliminate homelessness and the substance abuse epidemic, but unfortunately, Republicans continue defunding programs that house the homeless and provide them with the services they need to get back on their feet. You also defund government programs that provide assistance to single mothers, helping them raise their children. The Republicans portray themselves as "pro-life" and the champions of fetuses in other people's wombs, but their actions prove them to be pro-death due to their indifference to that same fetus once it's born and out of the womb. These religious conservatives make a stink about mask mandates in the middle of a deadly pandemic then turn around and use the hard hand of government to force women to remain pregnant even before they have a fetus in their wombs.

The hypocrisy of these conservatives is quite amazing.
Feel free to move to China and live your dream working for the communist collective.
 
The 1980s was the beginning of the end of the working class in this country, along with our manufacturing base.

May Bankrupt Anonymously

The economy became inadequate because of incompetents, bootlickers, blowhards, Diploma Dumbos, and HeirHeads running the businesses. Structures fail not because of their blueprints but because of the material used in building them.

Socialists are too ignorant and narrowly focused to analyze what is the real cause of Terminal Capitalism. So are the pro-Capitalist pundits. We have let inferior people take over superior positions.
 
May Bankrupt Anonymously

The economy became inadequate because of incompetents, bootlickers, blowhards, Diploma Dumbos, and HeirHeads running the businesses. Structures fail not because of their blueprints but because of the material used in building them.

Socialists are too ignorant and narrowly focused to analyze what is the real cause of Terminal Capitalism. So are the pro-Capitalist pundits. We have let inferior people take over superior positions.

Socialism is the future, so you might as well convert now.
 
Liberals have Always felt that what they dont have No One should be able to have. Reality kept that in check but we abandoned Reality for TDS 5 years ago.
You want the rich to get everything at the expense of everyone else.
 

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