The Left Really Just Hates freedom

[code1211]

Give historic examples.


Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England

labor laws

ending slavery

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education


just off the top of my head

Without trying to be too confrontational:

The Revolution was about lowering taxes.

Labor Laws are the thing that has undermined the need for unions.

Louisiana Purchase. Huh?!??!

Cumberland Road. Again. Huh?!!?

I suppose going into heavy debt is a typically Liberal approach to anything, so getting cash from someone else is a Liberal idea. Bleeding the French White and causing the downfall of that Monarchy was typical of Liberal planning in that they wanted what they wanted and cared little about the consequences.

Wasn't Lincoln a Republican? Who issued the Emancipation Proclaimation?

Higher Education. Hmmm... Maybe we need to check with Alexander the Great. I believe he recieved higher education.

 

[Dr Gregg]

The more I think about it the more I realize that the progressive left hates freedom more than anything. I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom in any way but I can point out what they do for power and power over others. Most conservatives are pretty content with leading their lives the way they want to without being bothered by the forced collective thinking of the left. Its sad that a country born with a new idea in this world is slowly reverting back to the old world way of thinking.

Really? What freedoms have you lost due to positions from the "progressive left"?

I've lost the freedom to smoke. Where can I smoke now? I'm losing the freedom to see my doctor the way I want to. The government now controls most industries which controls the choices in products I want to buy. Think about everything you buy and realize that most of creativity of what you buy is done by the government as it legislates what products it can make.

How is that solely a liberal issue? many red states have smoking bans. Colorado is about 50/50 and they have smoking bans. I'm sure many conservatives and liberals support and dislike the law. I for one don't mind the indoor ban, but everything else is absurd (yes, I smoke)

 

[code1211]

The more I think about it the more I realize that the progressive left hates freedom more than anything. I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom in any way but I can point out what they do for power and power over others. Most conservatives are pretty content with leading their lives the way they want to without being bothered by the forced collective thinking of the left. Its sad that a country born with a new idea in this world is slowly reverting back to the old world way of thinking.

Really? What freedoms have you lost due to positions from the "progressive left"?

I've lost the freedom to smoke. Where can I smoke now? I'm losing the freedom to see my doctor the way I want to. The government now controls most industries which controls the choices in products I want to buy. Think about everything you buy and realize that most of creativity of what you buy is done by the government as it legislates what products it can make.

You can add to that the freedom to pray.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Give historic examples.


Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England

labor laws

ending slavery

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education


just off the top of my head

Without trying to be too confrontational:

The Revolution was about lowering taxes.

Labor Laws are the thing that has undermined the need for unions.

Louisiana Purchase. Huh?!??!

Cumberland Road. Again. Huh?!!?

I suppose going into heavy debt is a typically Liberal approach to anything, so getting cash from someone else is a Liberal idea. Bleeding the French White and causing the downfall of that Monarchy was typical of Liberal planning in that they wanted what they wanted and cared little about the consequences.

Wasn't Lincoln a Republican? Who issued the Emancipation Proclaimation?

Higher Education. Hmmm... Maybe we need to check with Alexander the Great. I believe he recieved higher education.

Also, going into debt to fight wars, which many conservatives supported, is the same.

Tom Clancy is right, both parties are the same essentially

 

[Dr Gregg]

Really? What freedoms have you lost due to positions from the "progressive left"?

I've lost the freedom to smoke. Where can I smoke now? I'm losing the freedom to see my doctor the way I want to. The government now controls most industries which controls the choices in products I want to buy. Think about everything you buy and realize that most of creativity of what you buy is done by the government as it legislates what products it can make.

You can add to that the freedom to pray.

Really, what prevents people from praying? only thing is government and school sanctioned prayer events, nobody is prevented from praying.

 

[blu]

the right wing created dhs, warrantless wiretapping, the patriot act, adn free speech zones

enough said?

 

[code1211]

Really? What freedoms have you lost due to positions from the "progressive left"?

I've lost the freedom to smoke. Where can I smoke now? I'm losing the freedom to see my doctor the way I want to. The government now controls most industries which controls the choices in products I want to buy. Think about everything you buy and realize that most of creativity of what you buy is done by the government as it legislates what products it can make.

How is that solely a liberal issue? many red states have smoking bans. Colorado is about 50/50 and they have smoking bans. I'm sure many conservatives and liberals support and dislike the law. I for one don't mind the indoor ban, but everything else is absurd (yes, I smoke)

I used to smaoke and finally quit with much aid from the patch.

The indoor ban makes sense strictly from a housekeeping viewpoint. The second hand smoke considerations indoors are a little ridiculous and completely unfounded outdoors.

Smoking makes things stink. I'm not a born again virgin on this, but there is an intrusion issue onto non-smokers and in that sense, smoking should be limited to specified and approved areas in the public sector.

 

[rdean]

Give historic examples.


Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England

labor laws

ending slavery

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education


just off the top of my head

Without trying to be too confrontational:

The Revolution was about lowering taxes.

Labor Laws are the thing that has undermined the need for unions.

Louisiana Purchase. Huh?!??!

Cumberland Road. Again. Huh?!!?

I suppose going into heavy debt is a typically Liberal approach to anything, so getting cash from someone else is a Liberal idea. Bleeding the French White and causing the downfall of that Monarchy was typical of Liberal planning in that they wanted what they wanted and cared little about the consequences.

Wasn't Lincoln a Republican? Who issued the Emancipation Proclaimation?

Higher Education. Hmmm... Maybe we need to check with Alexander the Great. I believe he recieved higher education.

Also, going into debt to fight wars, which many conservatives supported, is the same.

Tom Clancy is right, both parties are the same essentially

Absolutely not.

On one side, you have a monolithic, nearly all white party of pretty much the same religion. Their best interests are them.

On the other hand, you have a political party that is a true coalition made up of nearly everyone else, an extremely wide variety of people. Blacks against gay rights, conservatives against women's rights. Many members of the Democratic party are against other members. The fact that they manage to work together is a perfect example of what America is all about.

No way can you compare the two parties. It's just not possible in any meaningful way.

 

[Truthmatters]

Its what ex republicans always say

 

[Truthmatters]

Give historic examples.


Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England

labor laws

ending slavery

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education


just off the top of my head

Without trying to be too confrontational:

The Revolution was about lowering taxes.NOPE it was about no taxation without representation, you have bought the republican history rewrite on that one

Labor Laws are the thing that has undermined the need for unions.Tell that to the dead minors who did not work at a union mine

Louisiana Purchase. Huh?!??!Liberal idea

Cumberland Road. Again. Huh?!!?Liberal idea

I suppose going into heavy debt is a typically Liberal approach to anything, so getting cash from someone else is a Liberal idea. Bleeding the French White and causing the downfall of that Monarchy was typical of Liberal planning in that they wanted what they wanted and cared little about the consequences.So you wish we would have lost our bid for freedom, I think most would agree it turned out damn good, deplomacy a liberal idea.

Wasn't Lincoln a Republican? Who issued the Emancipation Proclaimation?The OP said liberal not democratic party, keep up

Higher Education. Hmmm... Maybe we need to check with Alexander the Great. I believe he recieved higher education.

Liberals love higher education and cons seem to hate it


Why do you hate our freedoms

 

[Dr Gregg]

Without trying to be too confrontational:

The Revolution was about lowering taxes.

Labor Laws are the thing that has undermined the need for unions.

Louisiana Purchase. Huh?!??!

Cumberland Road. Again. Huh?!!?

I suppose going into heavy debt is a typically Liberal approach to anything, so getting cash from someone else is a Liberal idea. Bleeding the French White and causing the downfall of that Monarchy was typical of Liberal planning in that they wanted what they wanted and cared little about the consequences.

Wasn't Lincoln a Republican? Who issued the Emancipation Proclaimation?

Higher Education. Hmmm... Maybe we need to check with Alexander the Great. I believe he recieved higher education.

Also, going into debt to fight wars, which many conservatives supported, is the same.

Tom Clancy is right, both parties are the same essentially

Absolutely not.

On one side, you have a monolithic, nearly all white party of pretty much the same religion. Their best interests are them.

On the other hand, you have a political party that is a true coalition made up of nearly everyone else, an extremely wide variety of people. Blacks against gay rights, conservatives against women's rights. Many members of the Democratic party are against other members. The fact that they manage to work together is a perfect example of what America is all about.

No way can you compare the two parties. It's just not possible in any meaningful way.

I meant more on the freedom aspect. Ideologically there are differences indeed

 

[Meister]

Also, going into debt to fight wars, which many conservatives supported, is the same.

Tom Clancy is right, both parties are the same essentially

Absolutely not.

On one side, you have a monolithic, nearly all white party of pretty much the same religion. Their best interests are them.

On the other hand, you have a political party that is a true coalition made up of nearly everyone else, an extremely wide variety of people. Blacks against gay rights, conservatives against women's rights. Many members of the Democratic party are against other members. The fact that they manage to work together is a perfect example of what America is all about.

No way can you compare the two parties. It's just not possible in any meaningful way.

I meant more on the freedom aspect. Ideologically there are differences indeed

Your wasting your time, Gregg. You do your own thinking, although I have differing opinions than you...I do see your points and your honesty as you see them.
Rdean is nothing like you and it always ends up "Us Against Them" mentality, and honesty is not ever considered.

 

[Richard-H]

I've lost the freedom to smoke. Where can I smoke now? I'm losing the freedom to see my doctor the way I want to. The government now controls most industries which controls the choices in products I want to buy. Think about everything you buy and realize that most of creativity of what you buy is done by the government as it legislates what products it can make.

How is that solely a liberal issue? many red states have smoking bans. Colorado is about 50/50 and they have smoking bans. I'm sure many conservatives and liberals support and dislike the law. I for one don't mind the indoor ban, but everything else is absurd (yes, I smoke)

I used to smaoke and finally quit with much aid from the patch.

The indoor ban makes sense strictly from a housekeeping viewpoint. The second hand smoke considerations indoors are a little ridiculous and completely unfounded outdoors.

Smoking makes things stink. I'm not a born again virgin on this, but there is an intrusion issue onto non-smokers and in that sense, smoking should be limited to specified and approved areas in the public sector.

I'm a heavy smoker, but I haven't smoked indoors in about twenty-five years. It's basically a terrible dirty habit and should be done outdoors for sanitary reasons. YOu don't have the freedom to smoke where ever you want, just like you don't have the freedom to poop wherever you want.

What a facist governemet that won't let you poop where ever you want. My dog can poop where ever it wants! Why does my dog have more freedom than I do?

LIBERAL FASCISTS!

And how exactly is it that you want to see your doctor that's illegal? I'd better not go there...

No you cannot manufacture anything you want. No exploding toothbrushs, poisonous hamburgers, car that only go backwards, meth, atomic weapons, houses that fall apart, lampshades made from human flesh, child squashing cribs, or the like.

But don't worry the government doesn't stop you from manufacturing wingnut political lies.

That what us liberals on USMB are for!

 

[rdean]

Also, going into debt to fight wars, which many conservatives supported, is the same.

Tom Clancy is right, both parties are the same essentially

Absolutely not.

On one side, you have a monolithic, nearly all white party of pretty much the same religion. Their best interests are them.

On the other hand, you have a political party that is a true coalition made up of nearly everyone else, an extremely wide variety of people. Blacks against gay rights, conservatives against women's rights. Many members of the Democratic party are against other members. The fact that they manage to work together is a perfect example of what America is all about.

No way can you compare the two parties. It's just not possible in any meaningful way.

I meant more on the freedom aspect. Ideologically there are differences indeed

Oh, sorry.

 

[ole miss rebel]

The left is the force that has moved this country forward at every step in history. To where? The out house? Bankruptcy? Socialism? Give me a break.

Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England- What?

labor laws

ending slavery-The democrats wanted to keep the slaves in slavery and they still do.

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education- absolute failure-- per above it is the French


just off the top of my head -does your head have a hole in it?

 

[rdean]

Absolutely not.

On one side, you have a monolithic, nearly all white party of pretty much the same religion. Their best interests are them.

On the other hand, you have a political party that is a true coalition made up of nearly everyone else, an extremely wide variety of people. Blacks against gay rights, conservatives against women's rights. Many members of the Democratic party are against other members. The fact that they manage to work together is a perfect example of what America is all about.

No way can you compare the two parties. It's just not possible in any meaningful way.

I meant more on the freedom aspect. Ideologically there are differences indeed

Your wasting your time, Gregg. You do your own thinking, although I have differing opinions than you...I do see your points and your honesty as you see them.
Rdean is nothing like you and it always ends up "Us Against Them" mentality, and honesty is not ever considered.

Honesty is always considered. And anyone who is both honest and a member of the Republican Party has a decided lack of values, ethics and morals.

The brightest and most educated people in the world are probably US Scientists. Only six percent or less admit to being members of the Republican Party.

To anyone but a Republican, that is an incredibly dramatic rejection. Nearly a complete dismissal.

And Republicans, instead of showing a shred of introspection, a moment of indecisiveness, they insist scientists have no "common sense" and make up these bizarre and unbelievable stories, the same way they do about liberals and about he president.

There is no reason to make up stories about Republcians or Conservatives. The truth is far more extreme than anyone could make up.

 

[JakeStarkey]

rdean, your "And anyone who is both honest and a member of the Republican Party has a decided lack of values, ethics and morals" is an oxymoron, and you can't prove it any more than your silly contention that atheism is a form of faith like religion. Can't have it both ways. Much of the Republican Party has corroded over the last three decades, but as the dems came back from the Civil War and created modern liberalism, remember that took seven decades.

 

[Meister]

I meant more on the freedom aspect. Ideologically there are differences indeed

Your wasting your time, Gregg. You do your own thinking, although I have differing opinions than you...I do see your points and your honesty as you see them.
Rdean is nothing like you and it always ends up "Us Against Them" mentality, and honesty is not ever considered.

Honesty is always considered. And anyone who is both honest and a member of the Republican Party has a decided lack of values, ethics and morals.

The brightest and most educated people in the world are probably US Scientists. Only six percent or less admit to being members of the Republican Party.

To anyone but a Republican, that is an incredibly dramatic rejection. Nearly a complete dismissal.

And Republicans, instead of showing a shred of introspection, a moment of indecisiveness, they insist scientists have no "common sense" and make up these bizarre and unbelievable stories, the same way they do about liberals and about he president.

There is no reason to make up stories about Republcians or Conservatives. The truth is far more extreme than anyone could make up.

Like I said about rdean...."Us Against Them" mentality. He/she just can't help it.

 

[Tom Clancy]

Give historic examples.


Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England

labor laws

ending slavery

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education


just off the top of my head

Wait..

Ok.

The first one, is probably the most ridiculous one.. ever..

I think your Confusing Liberal in today's sense to Classic Liberal.
Get a clue please.

You dont get to redefine the words for your own pleasure

Actually, that's the Left who Redifned the word, Classic Liberalism is not the same as Liberalism in today's sense.

Read some History, learn it, and you shall see.

Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[hortysir]

Give historic examples.


Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England

labor laws

ending slavery

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education


just off the top of my head

The principal author of the 14th Amendment was U.S. Rep. John Bingham (R-OH). In Congress, all votes in favor of the 14th Amendment were from Republicans, and all votes against it were from Democrats.
The original purpose of the 14th Amendment was to defend African-Americans from their Democrat oppressors in the post-Civil War South.


In 1866, the Republican-controlled 39th Congress established the Buffalo Soldiers. A law introduced by Rep. Isaac Hawkins (R-TN) provided for six regiments of African-American troops.


In 1869, the Republican-controlled 40th Congress passed the 15th Amendment, extending to African-Americans the right to vote. Nearly all Republicans in Congress voted in favor, though a few abstained, saying it did not go far enough. Nearly all Democrats in Congress voted against the 15th Amendment.
{{{ The 15th Amendment was ratified the following year, but using intimidation, poll taxes, registration fraud, and literacy tests Democrats prevented most African-Americans from voting for nearly a century.}}}


The First African-American Senator was a Republican


In 1871, the Republican-controlled 42nd Congress passed a Civil Rights Act aimed at the Ku Klux Klan.
The 1871 Civil Rights Act, along with the GOP’s 1870 Civil Rights Act, effectively banned the Klan and enabled Republican officials to arrest hundreds of Klansmen. Though the U.S. Supreme Court would eventually strike down most of the 1871 Civil Rights Act, the Ku Klux Klan was crushed. The KKK did not rise again until the Democratic administration of President Woodrow Wilson.


On his deathbed in 1874, Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA) told a Republican colleague: “You must take care of the civil rights bill – my bill, the civil rights bill. Don’t let it fail.” In March 1875, the Republican-controlled 43rd Congress passed the most comprehensive civil rights legislation ever. President Ulysses Grant signed the bill into law that same day.

Among its provisions, the 1875 Civil Rights Act banned racial discrimination in public accommodations. Sound familiar? Though struck down by the Supreme Court eight years later, the 1875 Civil Rights Act would be reborn as the 1964 Civil Rights Act.


Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican.


In 1878, U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduced in Congress the proposed 19th Amendment, according women the right to vote. Over the next four decades, it was primarily the Democrats who would oppose the measure. Not until 1919, after the Republican Party won majorities in the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives, did Congress approve what would become the 19th Amendment


A Former Slave Chaired the 1884 Republican National Convention


In 1924, Republican President Calvin Coolidge signed the Indian Citizenship Act, granting citizenship to all Native Americans.


The First Hispanic U.S. Senator was a Republican


The First Asian-American U.S. Senator was a Republican


In 1940, the Republican National Convention approved a plank in its platform calling for racial integration of the armed forces: “Discrimination in the civil service, the army, navy, and all other branches of the Government must cease.”

For the next eight years, Democratic presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry Truman refused to integrate. Not until 1948 did President Truman finally comply with the Republicans' demands for racial justice in the U.S. military.



A Republican Integrated the University of Mississippi


In 1954, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that racial segregation in public schools is unconstitutional. The author of Brown v. Board of Education was a Republican, Chief Justice Earl Warren.


Republicans Passed the 1957 Civil Rights Act

During the five terms of the FDR and Truman presidencies, the Democrats did not propose any civil rights legislation.


Republicans Ended Racial Segregation in Little Rock

Just a few days after passage of the GOP’s 1957 Civil Rights Act, the Democrat governor of Arkansas ordered the National Guard to prevent the court-ordered racial integration of a public high school in Little Rock. Republican President Dwight Eisenhower refused to tolerate defiance of the federal judiciary. Under a plan suggested by his attorney general, the President placed the governor’s soldiers under federal control and ordered federal troops to the state, where they escorted African-American children to school.



just off the top of my head