The left has embraced fascism in its purest form

[Stann]

It's them against the world, including much of America.

A conversation I had with Chat GPT:

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Regarding cults: It seems to me that the typical cult has an "us against the world" viewpoint, and often views itself as the victim in that relationship. Is that true? And is there a name for this viewpoint?

Yes—what you’re noticing is not just common, it’s one of the core psychological pillars of how cults function.

The short answer​

• Yes, most cults frame themselves as “us vs. the world.”
• Yes, they often cast themselves as persecuted or victimized.
• There isn’t just one name for it, but several well-established concepts describe it.

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What this mindset is called​

1. “Siege mentality”
This is probably the closest single label. It describes a group that believes it is constantly under threat from outside forces—society, governments, critics, even family members.

2. “Persecution narrative”
This is the story the group tells itself: we are being targeted because we have the truth. It reframes criticism as proof of righteousness.

3. “In-group vs. out-group bias” (from social psychology)
This is broader and applies beyond cults. The group elevates insiders (“us”) and distrusts or devalues outsiders (“them”).

4. “Paranoid group dynamics”
In more extreme cases, leadership fosters suspicion and fear of outsiders to maintain control.

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Why cults rely on this​

This mindset isn’t accidental—it serves very specific purposes:

• Strengthens loyalty
  If the outside world is dangerous or corrupt, members cling more tightly to the group.
• Shuts down criticism
  Any negative information becomes “attack” rather than something to evaluate.
• Isolates members
  Friends, family, media—anything outside the group becomes suspect.
• Empowers leadership
  The leader positions themselves as protector against the hostile world.

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The victim angle​

The “we are victims” piece is especially powerful because it flips the narrative:

• Criticism = persecution
• Doubt = betrayal
• Leaving = falling into danger

That makes the belief system self-sealing—you can’t easily disprove it from the inside.

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Bottom line​

What you’re describing is not just typical—it’s almost a defining feature.
If a group strongly pushes “only we are right, and the world is against us”, you’re looking at classic siege mentality + persecution narrative dynamics at work.

I never tbought of it t that way but religion uses the same playbook. Especially the ones that try to put the " fear of God " into you. Dammed if you do , dammed if you don't. You lose.either way.

 

[Mac1958]

I never got bought of it t that way but religion uses the same playbook. Especially the ones that try to put the " fear of God " into you. Dammed of you do , dammed of you don't.Eoturtesy you lose.

Look at cults, MAGA, Qanon and Flat Earth. All of them have the same "us against the world" mentality, and all of them carry some twisted strain of religion. And, of course, they all contain many of the same individuals. And all of them communicate with the very same smug, condescening, I-know-something-you-don't-know smiles.

One of the foundations of Flat Earth is the "firmament", mentioned in Genesis. So they believe that the Earth is flat and that there is a "firmament" (like a rounded glass ceiling) above us that contains the Sun, the Moon and the stars. It makes them feel smart.

There is a pretty fascinating psychological/cultural/sociological study there. I'd love to know how many USMB Trumpsters are Flat Earthers, but I doubt they'd ever admit it.

 

[Stann]

Look at cults, MAGA, Qanon and Flat Earth. All of them have the same "us against the world" mentality, and all of them carry some twisted strain of religion. And, of course, they all contain many of the same individuals. And all of them communicate with the very same smug, condescening, I-know-something-you-don't-know smiles.

One of the foundations of Flat Earth is the "firmament", mentioned in Genesis. So they believe that the Earth is flat and that there is a "firmament" (like a rounded glass ceiling) above us that contains the Sun, the Moon and the stars. It makes them feel smart.

There is a pretty fascinating psychological/cultural/sociological study there. I'd love to know how many USMB Trumpsters are Flat Earthers, but I doubt they'd ever admit it.

I wonder if Artemis II shook their world a bit. Really difficult to challenge if you live in Florida.

 

[Mac1958]

I wonder if Artemis II shook their world a bit. Really difficult to challenge if you live in Florida.

I watched a video of flat earthers watching the liftoff. They were laughing, saying it was all AI. If there were any who were actually there, no doubt they were saying that it was just shooting up to the sky and falling back down before it hit the firmanent. No astronauts inside, just a show.

Seriously.

 

[Hafar1014]

You have to understand, the only fascists are the opponents of the democrat party

And always remember, sure the Nazis called themselves socialists and embraced socialist policies, but they were all conservatives in sheep's clothing

There, I just fixed getting all the Left wing talking points in one swoop.

You're welcome.

The NAZIs were ardent socialist and had many of the same policies as progressives. Democrats like pure fasciitis concentrate power in the government. Conservatives do the opposite. They reduce the power of government.
Democrats are the true fascists in America

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Statistics don't lie , unfortunately you aren't one yet ? I don't in w you , you seem like an extreme st. You might well be part of that problem.
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Look at which leftist hero wrote the endorsement at the top.

PS, It's a real book on sale at Amazon.

 

[Stann]

I watched a video of flat earthers watching the liftoff. They were laughing, saying it was all AI. If there were any who were actually there, no doubt they were saying that it was just shooting up to the sky and falling back down before it hit the firmanent. No astronauts inside, just a show.

Seriously.

Just another form of insanity.

 

[Mac1958]

Just another form of insanity.

Yep. Group pathology. The world has seen it before.

 

[Stann]

The NAZIs were ardent socialist and had many of the same policies as progressives. Democrats like pure fasciitis concentrate power in the government. Conservatives do the opposite. They reduce the power of government.
Democrats are the true fascists in America

You are right about Cinservatives at least. But trump and the MAGAS are not Conservatives , they are fascist extremists. Or maybe you didn't notice trump has consolidated his power in the government since day one and not for the betterment of the US.

 

[hadit]

Emotional extremists often turn to violence , it happens on.the far-right more than it does on.the far-left.

From where do you derive your statistics? Please post your sources for examination. Keep in mind the tendency of the far left to riot over the last decades.

 

[westwall]

Every time I hear the words “American exceptionalism”, I hear the echo of “Aryian Supremacy”. Since the first time I heard it.



Millions of people are not “breaking into” the USA. That’s total bullshit.

People from second and third world countries experiencing climate change famine, natural disasters or political unrest, were trying to go to the USA, but First World folks don’t want a drop in their standard of living.

You are the “shithole country” of the first world. Crap wages, expensive health care, guns, mass shootings, the highest rates of violent crime in the first world and racist ICE thugs roaming the streets.

Like all fascist dictatorships, more people are leaving the USA than are arriving these days. Like Hungary and Russia, more people are leaving than are arriving.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/61994

You’ve done this to yourselves and now your losing your minds faster than Trump’s dementia.

You’ve failed. Trump is a failed President who has destroyed everything your nation built over the last 70 years.

The world is moving on without you.

Over 10 million illegal aliens says you're full of crap.

 

[Stann]

From where do you derive your statistics? Please post your sources for examination. Keep in mind the tendency of the far left to riot over the last decades.

Most protests in the US were non-violent. Rioting and looting are done by criminals taking advantage of the situation. I'm sure most of them don't even bother to vote. I find it amazing that trump got into politics. So unlikely for a criminal. As for statistics.i get mine from the US government .the intelligence agencies that tell us the greatest threat to America is from far-right wing hate groups.

 

[hadit]

Most protests in the US were non-violent. Rioting and looting are done by criminals taking advantage of the situation. I'm sure most of them don't even bother to vote. I find it amazing that trump got into politics. So unlikely for a criminal. As for statistics.i get mine from the US government .the intelligence agencies that tell us the greatest threat to America is from far-right wing hate groups.

You didn't get numbers from that, just a vague statement.

And there is the old, "It was professional agitators that did it, not the left" gambit. You do realize, don't you, that it is no more credible to say that than it is for J6 protestors to say FBI plants did the whole rioting thing, that they were just little old grandmas wandering through the capital, waving flags?

 

[Stann]

You didn't get numbers from that, just a vague statement.

And there is the old, "It was professional agitators that did it, not the left" gambit. You do realize, don't you, that it is no more credible to say that than it is for J6 protestors to say FBI plants did the whole rioting thing, that they were just little old grandmas wandering through the capital, waving flags?

No , it's a lot more credible than saying that. Millie me of players were involved. Only one man , trump orchestrated that whole fiasco from begining to end. No help required or desired

 

[hadit]

No , it's a lot more credible than saying that. Millie me of players were involved. Only one man , trump orchestrated that whole fiasco from begining to end. No help required or desired

Riiiight, despite the riot starting independently of the speech and despite him telling people to go down and make their voices heard peacefully and patriotically.

Face it, the left wing riots were very violent, property was damaged and people were hurt. And the left has made a hobby out of rioting for decades, much longer than just a few years ago, while the right stayed out of it. You have to account for that as well.

Clearly the left is violent.

 

[Stann]

Riiiight, despite the riot starting independently of the speech and despite him telling people to go down and make their voices heard peacefully and patriotically.

Face it, the left wing riots were very violent, property was damaged and people were hurt. And the left has made a hobby out of rioting for decades, much longer than just a few years ago, while the right stayed out of it. You have to account for that as well.

Clearly the left is violent.

You can't be that naive. Look at the entirety of trump's speech. Thatone-linerabouthoingdoen there peacefully was totally out of context with the rest of his rant. Itwasplacedin thereto give him.plausible deniability if it all went south and he was prosecuted for treason. And it was so poorly done anyone could see right through it. Out of the thousands of protests only a few were plagued with violence but as usual you don't hear about the peaceful majority just the loud minority. You should know that , your side does it all the time.

 

[hadit]

You can't be that naive. Look at the entirety of trump's speech. Thatone-linerabouthoingdoen there peacefully was totally out of context with the rest of his rant. Itwasplacedin thereto give him.plausible deniability if it all went south and he was prosecuted for treason. And it was so poorly done anyone could see right through it. Out of the thousands of protests only a few were plagued with violence but as usual you don't hear about the peaceful majority just the loud minority. You should know that , your side does it all the time.

The left has rioted many, many times over the last 5 or so decades. The right rioted once. The leftwing riots killed many people and destroyed a LOT of property. The rightwing riot killed one person and that was a rioter. You see, it simply doesn't matter HOW many peaceful protests and rallies you held, you were more violent. You also never seem to mention the TEA party rallies that left the area cleaner afterwards than when they got there. That's the model for peaceful rallying.

 

[task0778]

IMHO, the problem with progressive liberals is that they believe a larger and more intrusive gov't is compatible with protection individual civil rights. In a perfect world that might be true, but such is not the case. Human nature results in wrongs done to certain people and groups under the guise of what's best for everybody, and a larger gov't acerbates the number and severity of those cases.

 

[Stann]

The left has rioted many, many times over the last 5 or so decades. The right rioted once. The leftwing riots killed many people and destroyed a LOT of property. The rightwing riot killed one person and that was a rioter. You see, it simply doesn't matter HOW many peaceful protests and rallies you held, you were more violent. You also never seem to mention the TEA party rallies that left the area cleaner afterwards than when they got there. That's the model for peaceful rallying.

And each time the protests occurred their was good reason.The riots and looting that seldom occurs at the same time are an unfortunate event. Not part of the protests. By comparison that was the intent of the Jan. 6th. People that trump stirred up. They allowed their emotions to take over just as trump planned. Well not quite, he wanted a much bigger , bloodier mess so he could declare martial law and take over. Again , stupid , anyone could see right through it. But that's the way trump is , almost totally unhinged and stupid. Tricks like this might have worked on people years ago but not today.

 

[Stann]

IMHO, the problem with progressive liberals is that they believe a larger and more intrusive gov't is compatible with protection individual civil rights. In a perfect world that might be true, but such is not the case. Human nature results in wrongs done to certain people and groups under the guise of what's best for everybody, and a larger gov't acerbates the number and severity of those cases.

Any attack on civil rights is wrong. Now take a look at who is using government to attack people they dislike and / or disagree with. That's intrusion. And if you believe government had gotten smaller under trump wait till you see the bill they s time around. Maybe that'll knock some sense into you. trump is king of the swamp now and he's happy that you put him there.