The Jews and the Native Americans

[flowery]

It is depends of who you ask how it "all began".

For us it began once this land was promised to us.

If you ask a Palestinian, he or she will tell a different story.

Question is, though, IMHO, is not how it began, but how it will be over.

Much more interesting to know

sure, I feel ya.

but some of the folks here keep saying that the jews stole the land from the palestinians and unless you look back and can pinpoint a consensus of who was there first to reference things then it just becomes about 1948 and how they were there and jews came in and killed everyone.

How can it end if that's how they see it, unless the jews just move?

I'm just looking for context.

My own family lived in Israel since 1883.

so this whole "land stealing" just makes me chuckle, honestly.

Jewish lived everywhere, In Yemen and Iraq also, for hundred years , but that doesn't mean they have the right to own the whole land and invade the country ,, right?

 

[flowery]

So the jews never lived there before 1948?

No

I thought your question, Is Jewish live before Arab ,, sorry for this mistake
the answer is yes, there were very few Jewish lived in Palestine before 1948 and also Palestinians, Both of them lived there . Jewish also they lived in Iraq and Yemen, and America and everywhere , But , the presence of Jewish before 1948 doesn't give them right to invade the country

 

[flowery]

All lands belongs to the God
in the ancient time the Canaanies who are the Arabs live in this land and this written in their book, Jewish Book "Old Bible" ,, so historically this land belong to those who lived there for many years.

I see you refer to your god as "al-Ilah," or in Hebrew, "Ba'al."

Good for you, so many Muslims try and pretend Allah is the Hebrew/Christian god.

What !!!!

 

[flowery]

Anyone care to post archeology or real artifacts datelining who was there first?

From an anthropological stand point, this is all absurd. The Arabs that we know now didn't migrate to the Middle East until the 2nd through 4th century AD. The Medes, Persians, Assyrians, Caucasians all, fought nearly perpetual war amongst themselves and the Greeks, until Rome marched in a defeated all of them. When Rome declined, the power vacuum allowed the North African people to invade in a very similar fashion as the Mexicans are doing to America. They squatted and interbred with the decimated indigenous populations and became the dominate ethnic group. Muhammad united them under the Cult of Islam, he and the Caliphs murdered virtually all remaining Caucasians.

Arabs are new comers to the Middle East.

On the other hand, the Ashkenazi Jews were not originally from the Middle East either. The original Hebrews were, but not that many of them survived. Most modern Jews descend from Ashkenazi stock.

Who was there first? People long since wiped out.

I think you need to read history very carefully ,, from "credible source" also

 

[Lipush]

sure, I feel ya.

but some of the folks here keep saying that the jews stole the land from the palestinians and unless you look back and can pinpoint a consensus of who was there first to reference things then it just becomes about 1948 and how they were there and jews came in and killed everyone.

How can it end if that's how they see it, unless the jews just move?

I'm just looking for context.

My own family lived in Israel since 1883.

so this whole "land stealing" just makes me chuckle, honestly.

Jewish lived everywhere, In Yemen and Iraq also, for hundred years , but that doesn't mean they have the right to own the whole land and invade the country ,, right?

Yemen and Iraq are not our homelands

 

[Lipush]

sure, I feel ya.

but some of the folks here keep saying that the jews stole the land from the palestinians and unless you look back and can pinpoint a consensus of who was there first to reference things then it just becomes about 1948 and how they were there and jews came in and killed everyone.

How can it end if that's how they see it, unless the jews just move?

I'm just looking for context.

My own family lived in Israel since 1883.

so this whole "land stealing" just makes me chuckle, honestly.

no one in my family has walked in to a public school with an automatic weapon, but that doesn't mean such things don't happen.

the trajedy at newtown doesn't make me chuckle, honestly.

it makes me weep.

Eh?

 

[flowery]

My own family lived in Israel since 1883.

so this whole "land stealing" just makes me chuckle, honestly.

Jewish lived everywhere, In Yemen and Iraq also, for hundred years , but that doesn't mean they have the right to own the whole land and invade the country ,, right?

Yemen and Iraq are not our homelands

Anyone can choose any country and pretend it is the homeland, very easy work ^ ^

 

[flowery]

Not too sure I understand your question? Can you elaborate please ?

sure.

Is there physical evidence showing that the jewish people lived there before 1948?

I answered that question in the previous post

The Palestinians know that as well, it's more complicated than that.

My friend is Palestinian and he said , few Jewish lived in Palestine on that time doesn't give them the right to invade the whole country, Plus, The Jewish rabbis and Encyclopedia of Judaism admits that Palestine is Arabic country

 

[flowery]

My own family lived in Israel since 1883.

so this whole "land stealing" just makes me chuckle, honestly.

Jewish lived everywhere, In Yemen and Iraq also, for hundred years , but that doesn't mean they have the right to own the whole land and invade the country ,, right?

Yemen and Iraq are not our homelands

Who make it your homeland ???
Your Holly Book ??

Jewish Twisted the Book to create any reason to invade Palestine, they wrote their own ideas and claim it is the True Bible

In your book , they claim that the God give Jewish permission to kill people, and burn green land and destroy their buildings !!!

They insult Prophets and some of their wives and daughters, they accused them of making adultery, rape and Killing
They said that Prophet David killed 100 of Palestinians children(boys) to offer their genitals as a dowry to marry
etc ,,,
There is no God would ever say such thing, or ask people to do

This is not a holly book from God
and still ,, you believe it !!!

 

[flowery]

My own family lived in Israel since 1883.

so this whole "land stealing" just makes me chuckle, honestly.

Jewish lived everywhere, In Yemen and Iraq also, for hundred years , but that doesn't mean they have the right to own the whole land and invade the country ,, right?

Yemen and Iraq are not our homelands

By the way ,,

Palestine in 1200 BC , It called Canaanites country, But in your book Old Bible, Jewish themselves called this land (Palestine) which means that the Bible says clearly the Canaanites, are the Palestinians ,


I will try to translate correctly :
Read this:
Even the tribes of Israel (who wander in the desert), according to describe the ninth chapter of the Book of Joshua ..When they tried to invade Palestine (clashed acts tournament which was characterized by the people of Palestine who broke the back of Israel !)


The testimony of the Bible in the Book of Judges: (Palestine Arab land of the Canaanites)

 

[Two Thumbs]

Hey Dudes, I'm a newbie to the subject and wanted to explore the below comparison:

Israel was the home of the Jews long ago, but over time (via numerous historical events) it eventually fell into the hands of the Muslims.

North America was once the home of various large Native American tribes (for thousands and thousands of years), but over time it eventually came under the control of "Western" foreigners.

For those who support the newly installed state of Israel following WWII, how would you feel about a foreign gov't coming into the US and forcefully installing a Native American state over (perhaps) 4-6 states?

My take:
Personally, I'd be pretty ticked off if China came into the US and gave whatever tribe controlled Illinois (and Chicago) back to the Native American tribes who once controlled the region; would you if this happened in your city/town?

This is why I'm sort of undecided when it comes to the question "do I support the Modern Israeli state". To support it full fledged would sorta make me a hypocrite.



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This isn't even apples and oranges.

jews were looking for a safe place to live out of fear of returning home, indians aren't in fear of anything.
jews had everything taken from them and were executed in mass, at the time. that was done to the indians ages ago
The League of Nations (UN) voted on it, not some random country.
The land of israel was a wasteland, not the breadbox Il is.

 

[sealadaigh]

My own family lived in Israel since 1883.

so this whole "land stealing" just makes me chuckle, honestly.

no one in my family has walked in to a public school with an automatic weapon, but that doesn't mean such things don't happen.

the trajedy at newtown doesn't make me chuckle, honestly.

it makes me weep.

Eh?

it was merely an emphatic illustration of your statement.

i suppose i could have used slavery, or anything else...

imagine someone in georgia in the 1850s saying...

my family has lived in georgia since the 1700s and has never owned a slave.

so this whole "slavery" thing just makes me chuckle, honestly.

i am not criticising your family at all and i am sure that they were honourable people and not "land stealers" but that is not any kind of proof that it doesn't occur...and it is certainly not something to to elicit "chuckles".

 

[toastman]

sure.

Is there physical evidence showing that the jewish people lived there before 1948?

I answered that question in the previous post

The Palestinians know that as well, it's more complicated than that.

My friend is Palestinian and he said , few Jewish lived in Palestine on that time doesn't give them the right to invade the whole country, Plus, The Jewish rabbis and Encyclopedia of Judaism admits that Palestine is Arabic country

What country was 'invaded' and when was this country founded ?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I answered that question in the previous post

The Palestinians know that as well, it's more complicated than that.

My friend is Palestinian and he said , few Jewish lived in Palestine on that time doesn't give them the right to invade the whole country, Plus, The Jewish rabbis and Encyclopedia of Judaism admits that Palestine is Arabic country

What country was 'invaded' and when was this country founded ?

Once again, the Canaanites were NOT Arabs. Arabs come from Arabia--hence the name.

 

[toastman]

My friend is Palestinian and he said , few Jewish lived in Palestine on that time doesn't give them the right to invade the whole country, Plus, The Jewish rabbis and Encyclopedia of Judaism admits that Palestine is Arabic country

What country was 'invaded' and when was this country founded ?

Once again, the Canaanites were NOT Arabs. Arabs come from Arabia--hence the name.

Yes, but like most pro Palestinians, this guy is claiming that the Jews invaded a country. I asked him what country was invaded and when was this country founded. I suspect I won't get an answer

 

[Lipush]

no one in my family has walked in to a public school with an automatic weapon, but that doesn't mean such things don't happen.

the trajedy at newtown doesn't make me chuckle, honestly.

it makes me weep.

Eh?

it was merely an emphatic illustration of your statement.

i suppose i could have used slavery, or anything else...

imagine someone in georgia in the 1850s saying...

my family has lived in georgia since the 1700s and has never owned a slave.

so this whole "slavery" thing just makes me chuckle, honestly.

i am not criticising your family at all and i am sure that they were honourable people and not "land stealers" but that is not any kind of proof that it doesn't occur...and it is certainly not something to to elicit "chuckles".

I said it to make a point. My point was that some phrases and figures of speech regarding this conflict are cliches and hardly accurate.

Believe me, I am the last one to think this conflict is a joke

 

[Lipush]

Jewish lived everywhere, In Yemen and Iraq also, for hundred years , but that doesn't mean they have the right to own the whole land and invade the country ,, right?

Yemen and Iraq are not our homelands

Anyone can choose any country and pretend it is the homeland, very easy work ^ ^

No its not.

It should be based on something.

 

[Lipush]

sure.

Is there physical evidence showing that the jewish people lived there before 1948?

I answered that question in the previous post

The Palestinians know that as well, it's more complicated than that.

My friend is Palestinian and he said , few Jewish lived in Palestine on that time doesn't give them the right to invade the whole country, Plus, The Jewish rabbis and Encyclopedia of Judaism admits that Palestine is Arabic country

Then your Palestinian friend is wrong.

Yes, few Jews where in the land, but those fiew where there much before the Palestinians were. and these few grew in numbers.

The fair suggestion was in 1948 to split Israel in two, one to each side.

I don't know which history your friend learned, but in MY books, WE agreed, THEY did not. That war was very clearly opened by a side that was not US.

And both of our nations now pay for that one stupidity.

The second mistake of your friend is saying that the Rabbis and "Encyclipedia of Judaism" (What the hell is THAT? there is no such thing, LMAO!) state that Palestine is an Arabic country.

They may say so, and that might be true, but ISRAEL is not an Arabic country, and no verstion in Judaism EVER supported such claim.

 

[Lipush]

Anyone care to post archeology or real artifacts datelining who was there first?

From an anthropological stand point, this is all absurd. The Arabs that we know now didn't migrate to the Middle East until the 2nd through 4th century AD. The Medes, Persians, Assyrians, Caucasians all, fought nearly perpetual war amongst themselves and the Greeks, until Rome marched in a defeated all of them. When Rome declined, the power vacuum allowed the North African people to invade in a very similar fashion as the Mexicans are doing to America. They squatted and interbred with the decimated indigenous populations and became the dominate ethnic group. Muhammad united them under the Cult of Islam, he and the Caliphs murdered virtually all remaining Caucasians.

Arabs are new comers to the Middle East.

On the other hand, the Ashkenazi Jews were not originally from the Middle East either. The original Hebrews were, but not that many of them survived. Most modern Jews descend from Ashkenazi stock.

Who was there first? People long since wiped out.

I think you need to read history very carefully ,, from "credible source" also

And what is a "credible source"

One which supported your own point of views?

 

[Uncensored2008]

What !!!!

"the god," as you call him, al-Ilah. This was the title of Hubal, the pre-Islamic Djin who lived in the Black (or Phallic) stone in the Kaaba. Of course we know that Muhammad destroyed all the idols of the Kaaba - except one - the Black Stone. We know that you and all Muslims bow to that idol 5 times each day, the idol of Hubal. You will strive to travel to Mecca on Hajj, so that you may kiss the idol of Hubal.

The idol of Hubal (in Hebrew, Ba'al)

Hubal, pagan god of the moon. The Hebrews wrote of Allah/Hubal in 1 Kings 18, where, Elijah the prophet offering a sacrifice to Yahweh, Baʿal's followers did the same. According to the Hebrew text, Baʿal did not light his followers' sacrifice, but Yahweh sent heavenly fire to burn Elijah's sacrifice to ashes, even after it had been soaked with water.