The Jews and the Native Americans

[Michelle420]

Don't take things too personally, we're just having a healthy discussion is all

Healthy discussions are just that, and don;t include sarcasm or sly digs.

Thank you though, most of you have been very patient.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I am not sure why Israel had to to split a state and share it but they did and that seems nice. In reading the posts it appears that the Jewish people were there first and they came back home.

Jews were not the first in the land of Palestine and they are not sharing the land, they are occupying all of the land and they refuse to end their Occupation.

 

[toastman]

I am not sure why Israel had to to split a state and share it but they did and that seems nice. In reading the posts it appears that the Jewish people were there first and they came back home.

Jews were not the first in the land of Palestine and they are not sharing the land, they are occupying all of the land and they refuse to end their Occupation.

Got any demographic proof that "Palestinians' lived there for thousands of years?
Got any proof that they were referred to as 'Palestinians' before 1967 ?

 

[Lipush]

I am not sure why Israel had to to split a state and share it but they did and that seems nice. In reading the posts it appears that the Jewish people were there first and they came back home.

Jews were not the first in the land of Palestine and they are not sharing the land, they are occupying all of the land and they refuse to end their Occupation.

IS THAT SO????????

Where not you the same one who does the yo-yo trick of keep claiming the occupation is within the 67' lines, only to now say we occupy "all of the land"?

Which one is it, then?

 

[editec]

We will not find the solution OR even the justification for a solution in this region's HISTORY.

Nobody gives a damn about history enough to say:

" Well you've bested me in the history game therefore let me leave this place or better still how about I just kill myself and my children, rather than continue to be an incovenience to you"

People on the ground (quite rightly) just do not CARE.

So ya'll can bullshit each other with your (far too often revised or wildly incomplete history) but it doesn't matter a wit.

All god's children gotta eat​

 

[flowery]

What !!!!

"the god," as you call him, al-Ilah. This was the title of Hubal, the pre-Islamic Djin who lived in the Black (or Phallic) stone in the Kaaba. Of course we know that Muhammad destroyed all the idols of the Kaaba - except one - the Black Stone. We know that you and all Muslims bow to that idol 5 times each day, the idol of Hubal. You will strive to travel to Mecca on Hajj, so that you may kiss the idol of Hubal.

The idol of Hubal (in Hebrew, Ba'al)

Hubal, pagan god of the moon. The Hebrews wrote of Allah/Hubal in 1 Kings 18, where, Elijah the prophet offering a sacrifice to Yahweh, Baʿal's followers did the same. According to the Hebrew text, Baʿal did not light his followers' sacrifice, but Yahweh sent heavenly fire to burn Elijah's sacrifice to ashes, even after it had been soaked with water.

So you're saying that Muslims are idol-worshippers?

I wrote before ,, people must read the history very well from right sources before enter into discussions with Muslims

What you wrote here absolutely Hallucination

Hubble is one of the ancient gods among the Arabs (before) Islam, and it was a God of Quraish who worshiped it . Hubal idol was in the form of human being has a broken arm, and it had been destroyed like other idols.


If Muslims now worship an idol (whatever its shape is) , then what is the point of Islam!!
In the Qura'an , Muslims are forbiddend to worship any thing or human being but Allah, so how come they worship idle !!!


watch this, Josef Estes , is American man, surely he can make understand what is the Black Stone, and will tell you it is not Idol

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lGQs9QCAK8]Do Muslims worship a moon God or The Kaba(black box)? - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMfGrmpz5eM]Do the Muslims worship the Black Box in the Desert_ Sheik Yusuf Estes.flv - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OXYOZYNUCg]Miracle of ISLAM the Black Stone ( Confirmed by NASA) - YouTube[/ame]



Q:
Are Jews idol worshipers for praying to God Almighty while directly facing the wailing wall in a very close distance ?

 

[flowery]

The land of Palestine is a gift from Britain to Israel
It is a quick and effective way to get rid of the problems of the Jews in Britain

 

[Coyote]

Don't take things too personally, we're just having a healthy discussion is all

Healthy discussions are just that, and don;t include sarcasm or sly digs.

Thank you though, most of you have been very patient.

I apologize for being sharp - "sly digs" are not intended, but sarcasm is a fault of mine, I will try to restrain it

 

[MHunterB]

The land of Palestine is a gift from Britain to Israel
It is a quick and effective way to get rid of the problems of the Jews in Britain

Um, *what* 'problems of the Jews in Britain' are you imagining? It wasn't Britain which created such 'problems' for the Jews as murdering HALF the Jews of Europe in cold blood: that was the Nazis in Germany (occasionally aided by eager helpers like the 'Arrow Cross' in Hungary and some other fascist filth).....

 

[Lipush]

The land of Palestine is a gift from Britain to Israel
It is a quick and effective way to get rid of the problems of the Jews in Britain

Which problem do you refer to?

 

[Lipush]

"the god," as you call him, al-Ilah. This was the title of Hubal, the pre-Islamic Djin who lived in the Black (or Phallic) stone in the Kaaba. Of course we know that Muhammad destroyed all the idols of the Kaaba - except one - the Black Stone. We know that you and all Muslims bow to that idol 5 times each day, the idol of Hubal. You will strive to travel to Mecca on Hajj, so that you may kiss the idol of Hubal.

The idol of Hubal (in Hebrew, Ba'al)

Hubal, pagan god of the moon. The Hebrews wrote of Allah/Hubal in 1 Kings 18, where, Elijah the prophet offering a sacrifice to Yahweh, Baʿal's followers did the same. According to the Hebrew text, Baʿal did not light his followers' sacrifice, but Yahweh sent heavenly fire to burn Elijah's sacrifice to ashes, even after it had been soaked with water.

So you're saying that Muslims are idol-worshippers?

I wrote before ,, people must read the history very well from right sources before enter into discussions with Muslims

What you wrote here absolutely Hallucination

Hubble is one of the ancient gods among the Arabs (before) Islam, and it was a God of Quraish who worshiped it . Hubal idol was in the form of human being has a broken arm, and it had been destroyed like other idols.


If Muslims now worship an idol (whatever its shape is) , then what is the point of Islam!!
In the Qura'an , Muslims are forbiddend to worship any thing or human being but Allah, so how come they worship idle !!!


watch this, Josef Estes , is American man, surely he can make understand what is the Black Stone, and will tell you it is not Idol

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lGQs9QCAK8]Do Muslims worship a moon God or The Kaba(black box)? - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMfGrmpz5eM]Do the Muslims worship the Black Box in the Desert_ Sheik Yusuf Estes.flv - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OXYOZYNUCg]Miracle of ISLAM the Black Stone ( Confirmed by NASA) - YouTube[/ame]



Q:
Are Jews idol worshipers for praying to God Almighty while directly facing the wailing wall in a very close distance ?

The WesternWall is part of the old Temple, which was a place of WORSHIPPING GOD.

So your statement makes no sense.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

So you're saying that Muslims are idol-worshippers?

I wrote before ,, people must read the history very well from right sources before enter into discussions with Muslims

What you wrote here absolutely Hallucination

Hubble is one of the ancient gods among the Arabs (before) Islam, and it was a God of Quraish who worshiped it . Hubal idol was in the form of human being has a broken arm, and it had been destroyed like other idols.


If Muslims now worship an idol (whatever its shape is) , then what is the point of Islam!!
In the Qura'an , Muslims are forbiddend to worship any thing or human being but Allah, so how come they worship idle !!!


watch this, Josef Estes , is American man, surely he can make understand what is the Black Stone, and will tell you it is not Idol

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lGQs9QCAK8]Do Muslims worship a moon God or The Kaba(black box)? - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMfGrmpz5eM]Do the Muslims worship the Black Box in the Desert_ Sheik Yusuf Estes.flv - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OXYOZYNUCg]Miracle of ISLAM the Black Stone ( Confirmed by NASA) - YouTube[/ame]



Q:
Are Jews idol worshipers for praying to God Almighty while directly facing the wailing wall in a very close distance ?

The WesternWall is part of the old Temple, which was a place of WORSHIPPING GOD.

So your statement makes no sense.

Is that the place women are not allowed to pray at? Such an enlightening religion that discriminates against women in such a fashion.

 

[toastman]

I wrote before ,, people must read the history very well from right sources before enter into discussions with Muslims

What you wrote here absolutely Hallucination

Hubble is one of the ancient gods among the Arabs (before) Islam, and it was a God of Quraish who worshiped it . Hubal idol was in the form of human being has a broken arm, and it had been destroyed like other idols.


If Muslims now worship an idol (whatever its shape is) , then what is the point of Islam!!
In the Qura'an , Muslims are forbiddend to worship any thing or human being but Allah, so how come they worship idle !!!


watch this, Josef Estes , is American man, surely he can make understand what is the Black Stone, and will tell you it is not Idol

Do Muslims worship a moon God or The Kaba(black box)? - YouTube

Do the Muslims worship the Black Box in the Desert_ Sheik Yusuf Estes.flv - YouTube

Miracle of ISLAM the Black Stone ( Confirmed by NASA) - YouTube



Q:
Are Jews idol worshipers for praying to God Almighty while directly facing the wailing wall in a very close distance ?

The WesternWall is part of the old Temple, which was a place of WORSHIPPING GOD.

So your statement makes no sense.

Is that the place women are not allowed to pray at? Such an enlightening religion that discriminates against women in such a fashion.

A supporter of Hamas and Muslim Extremism accusing Jews of discrimination of women ??? I mean, I don't even know where to begin

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I am not sure why Israel had to to split a state and share it but they did and that seems nice. In reading the posts it appears that the Jewish people were there first and they came back home.

Jews were not the first in the land of Palestine and they are not sharing the land, they are occupying all of the land and they refuse to end their Occupation.

IS THAT SO????????

Where not you the same one who does the yo-yo trick of keep claiming the occupation is within the 67' lines, only to now say we occupy "all of the land"?

Which one is it, then?

We have an intl court telling us East Jerusalem and the West Bank and Gaza are occupied. We have no opinion by the Intl Court as to sovereignty of the rest of British Mandate Palestine. It seems to me Israel desperately is in need of an agreement with Palestinians to have any legitimacy with respect to her sovereignty rights with respect to any land in British Mandate Palestine.

 

[toastman]

Jews were not the first in the land of Palestine and they are not sharing the land, they are occupying all of the land and they refuse to end their Occupation.

IS THAT SO????????

Where not you the same one who does the yo-yo trick of keep claiming the occupation is within the 67' lines, only to now say we occupy "all of the land"?

Which one is it, then?

We have an intl court telling us East Jerusalem and the West Bank and Gaza are occupied. We have no opinion by the Intl Court as to sovereignty of the rest of British Mandate Palestine. It seems to me Israel desperately is in need of an agreement with Palestinians to have any legitimacy with respect to her sovereignty rights with respect to any land in British Mandate Palestine.

Any agreement with the Palestinians begins with the complete cessation of hostilities (rocket fire)...

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I wrote before ,, people must read the history very well from right sources before enter into discussions with Muslims

What you wrote here absolutely Hallucination

Hubble is one of the ancient gods among the Arabs (before) Islam, and it was a God of Quraish who worshiped it . Hubal idol was in the form of human being has a broken arm, and it had been destroyed like other idols.


If Muslims now worship an idol (whatever its shape is) , then what is the point of Islam!!
In the Qura'an , Muslims are forbiddend to worship any thing or human being but Allah, so how come they worship idle !!!


watch this, Josef Estes , is American man, surely he can make understand what is the Black Stone, and will tell you it is not Idol

Do Muslims worship a moon God or The Kaba(black box)? - YouTube

Do the Muslims worship the Black Box in the Desert_ Sheik Yusuf Estes.flv - YouTube

Miracle of ISLAM the Black Stone ( Confirmed by NASA) - YouTube



Q:
Are Jews idol worshipers for praying to God Almighty while directly facing the wailing wall in a very close distance ?

The WesternWall is part of the old Temple, which was a place of WORSHIPPING GOD.

So your statement makes no sense.

Is that the place women are not allowed to pray at? Such an enlightening religion that discriminates against women in such a fashion.

Women have always prayed at the Western Wall. The issue that you're referring to, is this: When Jewish men pray to G-d, they wear special prayer shawls and other items. A certain group of women now want to pray at the Wall wearing these shawls and items. It says in the Torah that women can't wear men's clothes and vice versa. That is what the men (and other women) object to. It's an internal Jewish issue, which shouldn't concern others.

 

[Lipush]

I wrote before ,, people must read the history very well from right sources before enter into discussions with Muslims

What you wrote here absolutely Hallucination

Hubble is one of the ancient gods among the Arabs (before) Islam, and it was a God of Quraish who worshiped it . Hubal idol was in the form of human being has a broken arm, and it had been destroyed like other idols.


If Muslims now worship an idol (whatever its shape is) , then what is the point of Islam!!
In the Qura'an , Muslims are forbiddend to worship any thing or human being but Allah, so how come they worship idle !!!


watch this, Josef Estes , is American man, surely he can make understand what is the Black Stone, and will tell you it is not Idol

Do Muslims worship a moon God or The Kaba(black box)? - YouTube

Do the Muslims worship the Black Box in the Desert_ Sheik Yusuf Estes.flv - YouTube

Miracle of ISLAM the Black Stone ( Confirmed by NASA) - YouTube



Q:
Are Jews idol worshipers for praying to God Almighty while directly facing the wailing wall in a very close distance ?

The WesternWall is part of the old Temple, which was a place of WORSHIPPING GOD.

So your statement makes no sense.

Is that the place women are not allowed to pray at? Such an enlightening religion that discriminates against women in such a fashion.

So you ask and then answer yourself? how does it work?

And why don't you check the facts before saying nonsense?

Women are allowed to pray at the WesternWall.

I visited the wall and prayed there myself many times.

So please, if you can't find anything clever to say, just zip it.

Seriously.

 

[Lipush]

Jews were not the first in the land of Palestine and they are not sharing the land, they are occupying all of the land and they refuse to end their Occupation.

IS THAT SO????????

Where not you the same one who does the yo-yo trick of keep claiming the occupation is within the 67' lines, only to now say we occupy "all of the land"?

Which one is it, then?

We have an intl court telling us East Jerusalem and the West Bank and Gaza are occupied. We have no opinion by the Intl Court as to sovereignty of the rest of British Mandate Palestine. It seems to me Israel desperately is in need of an agreement with Palestinians to have any legitimacy with respect to her sovereignty rights with respect to any land in British Mandate Palestine.

But its exactly opposite to what you said few posts ago...

 

[Lipush]

The WesternWall is part of the old Temple, which was a place of WORSHIPPING GOD.

So your statement makes no sense.

Is that the place women are not allowed to pray at? Such an enlightening religion that discriminates against women in such a fashion.

Women have always prayed at the Western Wall. The issue that you're referring to, is this: When Jewish men pray to G-d, they wear special prayer shawls and other items. A certain group of women now want to pray at the Wall wearing these shawls and items. It says in the Torah that women can't wear men's clothes and vice versa. That is what the men (and other women) object to. It's an internal Jewish issue, which shouldn't concern others.

Not only that, they used to many times go to pray in Ezrat Gvarim.

As a woman, I find this highly disrespectful.

I said many times, if they so much want to feel like Jewish men, let them start it once they are 8 days old.

Don't you believe its fair?

 

[MHunterB]

"Is that the place women are not allowed to pray at? Such an enlightening religion that discriminates against women in such a fashion."

How very droll: this comes from the same poster who posted about how in shari'a a woman's testimony or life are worth LESS than that of a man , and never seemed to notice the discrimination *there*!

As I've said before, whenever a 'critic of Israel' posts the kind of idiotic lying filth as the bolded quote above - it trumpets their aggressive ignorance and undercuts any 'points' they may try to pursue.