The Jews and the Native Americans

[toastman]

Coyote, I am learning about the issue, I am going to ask a lot of questions.

If you find them irrelevant feel free not to respond.

I ask because I want to know each sides opinion instead of just reading wikipedia.

It is something I am interested in knowing , the personal viewpoints and opinions of each side.

What is exactly that you wish to know?

I've been posting questions for a few pages now go back a few and read them and respond if you desire to.



I wanted to know how this all began from each persons perspective and how it can be resolved from each persons perspective.

I ask more questions if someone answers something and adds information that makes me curious about their opinion.

The debate always comes down to who started the conflict. The pro - Palestinians will claim the Zionists started it and the pro - Israelis will claim the Arabs and Palestinians started it. Then, when links are provided by both sides , each side claims that the website provided by the other side is 'propaganda'.
The arguments between the pro -Palestinians and pro - Israelis here rarely gets anywhere , it's like a never ending cycle. At least that's the way I see it.

 

[Michelle420]

What is exactly that you wish to know?

I've been posting questions for a few pages now go back a few and read them and respond if you desire to.



I wanted to know how this all began from each persons perspective and how it can be resolved from each persons perspective.

I ask more questions if someone answers something and adds information that makes me curious about their opinion.

It is depends of who you ask how it "all began".

For us it began once this land was promised to us.

If you ask a Palestinian, he or she will tell a different story.

Question is, though, IMHO, is not how it began, but how it will be over.

Much more interesting to know

sure, I feel ya.

but some of the folks here keep saying that the jews stole the land from the palestinians and unless you look back and can pinpoint a consensus of who was there first to reference things then it just becomes about 1948 and how they were there and jews came in and killed everyone.

How can it end if that's how they see it, unless the jews just move?

I'm just looking for context.

 

[Michelle420]

What is exactly that you wish to know?

I've been posting questions for a few pages now go back a few and read them and respond if you desire to.



I wanted to know how this all began from each persons perspective and how it can be resolved from each persons perspective.

I ask more questions if someone answers something and adds information that makes me curious about their opinion.

The debate always comes down to who started the conflict. The pro - Palestinians will claim the Zionists started it and the pro - Israelis will claim the Arabs and Palestinians started it. Then, when links are provided by both sides , each side claims that the website provided by the other side is 'propaganda'.
The arguments between the pro -Palestinians and pro - Israelis here rarely gets anywhere , it's like a never ending cycle. At least that's the way I see it.

Yeah I am seeing that, it just goes back n forth.

What kind of historical evidence do we have on the matter from archeology etc?

 

[Lipush]

I've been posting questions for a few pages now go back a few and read them and respond if you desire to.



I wanted to know how this all began from each persons perspective and how it can be resolved from each persons perspective.

I ask more questions if someone answers something and adds information that makes me curious about their opinion.

It is depends of who you ask how it "all began".

For us it began once this land was promised to us.

If you ask a Palestinian, he or she will tell a different story.

Question is, though, IMHO, is not how it began, but how it will be over.

Much more interesting to know

sure, I feel ya.

but some of the folks here keep saying that the jews stole the land from the palestinians and unless you look back and can pinpoint a consensus of who was there first to reference things then it just becomes about 1948 and how they were there and jews came in and killed everyone.

How can it end if that's how they see it, unless the jews just move?

I'm just looking for context.

My own family lived in Israel since 1883.

so this whole "land stealing" just makes me chuckle, honestly.

 

[Michelle420]

It is depends of who you ask how it "all began".

For us it began once this land was promised to us.

If you ask a Palestinian, he or she will tell a different story.

Question is, though, IMHO, is not how it began, but how it will be over.

Much more interesting to know

sure, I feel ya.

but some of the folks here keep saying that the jews stole the land from the palestinians and unless you look back and can pinpoint a consensus of who was there first to reference things then it just becomes about 1948 and how they were there and jews came in and killed everyone.

How can it end if that's how they see it, unless the jews just move?

I'm just looking for context.

My own family lived in Israel since 1883.

so this whole "land stealing" just makes me chuckle, honestly.

So in your opinion, if you were in charge what would be the best way to resolve this?

 

[Lipush]

If I knew , I would have run for the Knesset.

I'm out of ideas.

 

[toastman]

I've been posting questions for a few pages now go back a few and read them and respond if you desire to.



I wanted to know how this all began from each persons perspective and how it can be resolved from each persons perspective.

I ask more questions if someone answers something and adds information that makes me curious about their opinion.

The debate always comes down to who started the conflict. The pro - Palestinians will claim the Zionists started it and the pro - Israelis will claim the Arabs and Palestinians started it. Then, when links are provided by both sides , each side claims that the website provided by the other side is 'propaganda'.
The arguments between the pro -Palestinians and pro - Israelis here rarely gets anywhere , it's like a never ending cycle. At least that's the way I see it.

Yeah I am seeing that, it just goes back n forth.

What kind of historical evidence do we have on the matter from archeology etc?

Not too sure I understand your question? Can you elaborate please ?

 

[Michelle420]

If I knew , I would have run for the Knesset.

I'm out of ideas.

I imagine it would be tough.

The original thread was comparing this to native americans.

Do you think that is a fair comparison?

 

[Michelle420]

The debate always comes down to who started the conflict. The pro - Palestinians will claim the Zionists started it and the pro - Israelis will claim the Arabs and Palestinians started it. Then, when links are provided by both sides , each side claims that the website provided by the other side is 'propaganda'.
The arguments between the pro -Palestinians and pro - Israelis here rarely gets anywhere , it's like a never ending cycle. At least that's the way I see it.

Yeah I am seeing that, it just goes back n forth.

What kind of historical evidence do we have on the matter from archeology etc?

Not too sure I understand your question? Can you elaborate please ?

sure.

Is there physical evidence showing that the jewish people lived there before 1948?

If so why don't the palestinians acknowledge that?

 

[Lipush]

I am not THAT familiar with the American history, so I'm afraid the comparison won't be accurate.

 

[Lipush]

Yeah I am seeing that, it just goes back n forth.

What kind of historical evidence do we have on the matter from archeology etc?

Not too sure I understand your question? Can you elaborate please ?

sure.

Is there physical evidence showing that the jewish people lived there before 1948?

I answered that question in the previous post

The Palestinians know that as well, it's more complicated than that.

 

[toastman]

Yeah I am seeing that, it just goes back n forth.

What kind of historical evidence do we have on the matter from archeology etc?

Not too sure I understand your question? Can you elaborate please ?

sure.

Is there physical evidence showing that the jewish people lived there before 1948?

If so why don't the palestinians acknowledge that?

There has been Jewish 'presence' in what is now called Israel for many years. That is an indisputable fact. As far as archeological evidence, I am not knowledgeable enough on that subject to give you a good answer. i'm sure you will find most, if not all the answers to your questions regarding that issue on the internet

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Yeah I am seeing that, it just goes back n forth.

What kind of historical evidence do we have on the matter from archeology etc?

Not too sure I understand your question? Can you elaborate please ?

sure.

Is there physical evidence showing that the jewish people lived there before 1948?

If so why don't the palestinians acknowledge that?

A couple of years ago, there was a Dead Sea Scrolls Exhibit in New York, on Times Square. There were coins and pottery from the Jewish period (before 70 AD). There were also seals with "the House of David" printed on them. It was fascinating.

 

[Michelle420]

I am not THAT familiar with the American history, so I'm afraid the comparison won't be accurate.

I am not familiar with the IS/PA history and that's why I am asking peoples opinions who are more involved in it.

I can read stuff online pro or con either way, but reading stuff is not living it, and I find it more insightful to ask people who are passionately involved in a topic why they have there point of views.

 

[Michelle420]

Ok so we can throw out the 1948 argument and move on, this is much more historical then just that time frame that was referenced previously.

That said, Israel is already sharing the land, I see no reason for anything more then that.

 

[toastman]

I am not THAT familiar with the American history, so I'm afraid the comparison won't be accurate.

I am not familiar with the IS/PA history and that's why I am asking peoples opinions who are more involved in it.

I can read stuff online pro or con either way, but reading stuff is not living it, and I find it more insightful to ask people who are passionately involved in a topic why they have there point of views.

Don't let my lack of response to your last question deter you from continuing to ask questions regarding the conflict. Ask me any question and I can do my best to answer it. I'm sure that goes for the other posters here as well

 

[Michelle420]

I am not THAT familiar with the American history, so I'm afraid the comparison won't be accurate.

I am not familiar with the IS/PA history and that's why I am asking peoples opinions who are more involved in it.

I can read stuff online pro or con either way, but reading stuff is not living it, and I find it more insightful to ask people who are passionately involved in a topic why they have there point of views.

Don't let my lack of response to your last question deter you from continuing to ask questions regarding the conflict. Ask me any question and I can do my best to answer it. I'm sure that goes for the other posters here as well

Thank you for your receptiveness.

My fiance is coming home after being away a couple weeks, I gotta go for a bit.

I will be back.

 

[Lipush]

I am not THAT familiar with the American history, so I'm afraid the comparison won't be accurate.

I am not familiar with the IS/PA history and that's why I am asking peoples opinions who are more involved in it.

I can read stuff online pro or con either way, but reading stuff is not living it, and I find it more insightful to ask people who are passionately involved in a topic why they have there point of views.

That is very clever.

 

[Michelle420]

I am not THAT familiar with the American history, so I'm afraid the comparison won't be accurate.

I am not familiar with the IS/PA history and that's why I am asking peoples opinions who are more involved in it.

I can read stuff online pro or con either way, but reading stuff is not living it, and I find it more insightful to ask people who are passionately involved in a topic why they have there point of views.

That is very clever.

You get more honest view points imo.

 

[sealadaigh]

It is depends of who you ask how it "all began".

For us it began once this land was promised to us.

If you ask a Palestinian, he or she will tell a different story.

Question is, though, IMHO, is not how it began, but how it will be over.

Much more interesting to know

sure, I feel ya.

but some of the folks here keep saying that the jews stole the land from the palestinians and unless you look back and can pinpoint a consensus of who was there first to reference things then it just becomes about 1948 and how they were there and jews came in and killed everyone.

How can it end if that's how they see it, unless the jews just move?

I'm just looking for context.

My own family lived in Israel since 1883.

so this whole "land stealing" just makes me chuckle, honestly.

no one in my family has walked in to a public school with an automatic weapon, but that doesn't mean such things don't happen.

the trajedy at newtown doesn't make me chuckle, honestly.

it makes me weep.