The homefront is slowly collapsing in Russia

[Toddsterpatriot]

The American and European people bore absolutely no responsibility for that gratuitous and absurd aggression—not only continuing but expanding Cold War policies against Russia. This was a decision made by American and European neoconservatives without any form of popular consultation.

Expanding Cold War policies? Tell me more!

 

[Couchpotato]

NATO nations have invaded far more countries than Russia.

Which ones has NATO invaded?

In just the past 20 years the US alone has invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. We have overthrown the governments of Egypt, Libya and just bombed Iran. Prior to that, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea. We maintain a base in Cuba against the will of the Cuban Government. That's just the US. Doesn't include all the countries the UK, France et al have invaded. There is of course some overlap here.

If we had enslaved Mexico for 50 years, I wouldn't blame
them for aligning with Russia and China.

The US invaded Mexico in 1846 and annexed a huge portion of their country.

Did we do that?

Yeah. Learn your history.

 

[Litwin]

An interesting interview. Keatinge says Russia's economy is feeling the strain of sanctions and the resources being put in to the war. He wonders why then has trump not pressed further with sanctions in an attempt to pressure Putin. Perhaps he doesn't know about trump's special friendship with Putin.

The answer to the sanctions question being made clear by Don's warm reception given to his pal Vlad in Alaska. And by Vlad's ability to persuade Don to try to shut down mail-in voting. Vlad has Don's ear. He knows it will create more division and unfounded suspicion over the security of our elections. One of Vlad's great ambitions being to weaken western democracies..........with Don being unwittingly (or not) glad to oblige.

Ukraine's drones shut down 13,5 % of 's oil refining,
The price of AI-95 on the St. Petersburg Stock Exchange, rose by 1.08% on August 4 to 77,001 rubles (836.07 euros) per ton. This is a new historical record. Since the beginning of the year, the cost of this popular fuel has already increased by 28%.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Fortunately, our former friends and former allies in Europe now fully know what they're dealing with.

Having them show up at the White House with Z was absolutely perfect. Unlike Trump, they're serious.

Ukraine is in Europe. Its their responsibility. Not the US.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In just the past 20 years the US alone has invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. We have overthrown the governments of Egypt, Libya and just bombed Iran. Prior to that, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea. We maintain a base in Cuba against the will of the Cuban Government. That's just the US. Doesn't include all the countries the UK, France et al have invaded. There is of course some overlap here.

The US invaded Mexico in 1846 and annexed a huge portion of their country.

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Yeah. Learn your history.

In just the past 20 years the US alone

You said NATO. Since the collapse of the USSR.

The US invaded Mexico in 1846 and annexed a huge portion of their country.

Did we enslave the rest of it after the end of WWII?

 

[Couchpotato]

In just the past 20 years the US alone

You said NATO. Since the collapse of the USSR.

I said NATO countries not NATO. Learn to read.

The US invaded Mexico in 1846 and annexed a huge portion of their country.

Did we enslave the rest of it after the end of WWII?

No much longer. By your definition of "enslaved" the US has enslaved that portion of Mexico for going on 200 years now.

 

[Kondor3]

Except China didn't retake Outer Mongolia (which was once part of China), even though they'd have no problem overrunning it if they wanted it. They haven't annexed North Korea. They didn't invade Hong Kong; they just waited for the treaty terms to run out, and they STILL gave Hong Kong a certain level of autonomy.

True. China, when weak, bides its time. China is no longer weak. It now overshadows Russia in all categories except nuclear.

Or redraw the borders to reflect where people live. Crimea and Donbas are predominately Russian. They are only part of Ukraine because of some Soviet nonsense.

Only after Soviet Russia shipped legions of Cossacks and other Ukrainians to Siberia and starved more than a million Ukrainians before rushing to fill the vacuum with Russian ethnic-linguistic colonists.

Um, except NATO never should have been trying to make Ukraine part of it.

Why? Old treaty obligations? After Russian seizure of the Crimea in 2024 all that went out the window.

Expanding NATO has been a large part of the problem.

Eastern Europe spent 45 years under the jackboot heel of the Russians after WW2.

Western Powers returned autonomy to their occupied zones voluntarily.

The Russians had to suffer a complete collapse before they also decided to leave; forced back home by circumstances.

NATO was formed to counter the USSR and Warsaw Pact.

NATO was formed to counter the hostile and aggressive actions of a post-war Soviet Union.

The Warsaw Pact was established AFTER the creation of NATO as an Alliance of the Unwilling Downtrodden to counter NATO.

Had the Soviet Union just taken its toys and gone home after the war the Americans, Brits and French would have done the same.

The attempted Soviet strangulation of Berlin (1948-1949} was a good early example of Russian treachery, as was the genocide-like slaughter of the Polish Army Officer Corps and Polish Intelligentsia while the Soviets were still allied to Nazi Germany.

Nobody trusts the Russians because the Russians have proven themselves to be untrustworthy liars and false allies time and again.

They are both gone now, but NATO is still there,

With a semi-failed gigantic nation-state armed with 5-6,000 nuclear warheads and ICBMs and a demonstrated long-history and penchant for aggression, can you blame the members of NATO for deciding to keep the alliance on its feet?

,,, expanding into former Pact/Soviet states,,,,

They know what it's like to live for half-a-century under the Russian jackboot-heel so they asked if they could join OUR club, and we took them in; knowing what their futures would be like if we had rejected their applications as Russia retooled.

...and we wonder why Russia (which has been invaded MULTIPLE times from the West) might feel a bit threatened by that...

If the West was going to invade it would have been in the first decade (1990-2000, roughly) after the Soviet Union collapsed, and there was never any move on our part to do such a thing. Russia, on the other hand, wants its Empire back.

Their former imperial subjects have said "No" and joined OUR club to ensure that they can remain free.

Um, "Moravia" is in the Czech Republic. You are probably thinking of Moldova.

Ye... you are correct... i was thinking of Moldova... thank you.

I doubt Trump has the ability to craft a lasting peace.

Same here.

Yes, any peace deal should include security guarantees of some sort.

The West gave Ukraine security guarantees in 1994 when it returned its nuclear weapons to Russia.

As with most Security Guarantees, once the bullets start flying, you can add those Guarantees to the shelf-stock of toilet paper.

You voted for him. Can't complain now that he is the idiot we all told you he was.

Nope.

Not me.

I voted (D) in 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020 and 2024.

Hell... I donated to the 2024 campaign and had a "Veterans for Harris-Walz" sign on my front lawn for weeks prior to the election.

I approve of a half-dozen things that Trump is doing.

I think Trump is useless or downright dangerous in a half-dozen other areas.

And, with respect to Putin, like I said... Putin is playing Chess... Trump seems to be playing Checkers, or Chutes-and-Ladders.

Or, he's just stalling for time so that his Inability to Broker a Deal does not become apparent too quickly.

Or, he's now building a case for a more robust support-intervention soon, once he's able to say 'Well... I tried."

Any of several possibilities.

Helluva situation.

 

[Meathead]

An interesting interview. Keatinge says Russia's economy is feeling the strain of sanctions and the resources being put in to the war. He wonders why then has trump not pressed further with sanctions in an attempt to pressure Putin. Perhaps he doesn't know about trump's special friendship with Putin.

The answer to the sanctions question being made clear by Don's warm reception given to his pal Vlad in Alaska. And by Vlad's ability to persuade Don to try to shut down mail-in voting. Vlad has Don's ear. He knows it will create more division and unfounded suspicion over the security of our elections. One of Vlad's great ambitions being to weaken western democracies..........with Don being unwittingly (or not) glad to oblige.

Don't agree with Putin on anything except mail-in voting being a threat to American democracy.

 

[marvin martian]

Not everything is Nazi Germany. Every dictator isn’t Hitler. Is the only lesson from WW2 that anyone who isn’t a warhawk Neville Cbamberlain? Even if what you say is true where is he going to go? Russia can’t push any further into Eastern Europe but through a NATO ally. If that happens which is very highly unlikely we deal with it. The Ukrainians want to end the war. Is it worth killing untold amounts of people and wrecking Ukraine more than it already is because Putin might invade more of Ukraine?

The DemoKKKrats are willing (and eager) to fight to the death of every last Ukrainian man, woman, and child to protect their money-laundering scheme.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The USSR doesn't exist.

NATO nations have invaded far more countries than Russia.

The US alone has invaded more countries than Russia since the breakup of the Soviet Union.

That's awful! I may actually shed a tear. What does that have to do with
the formerly enslaved nations joining NATO for protection from their enslavers?

 

[José]

The super patriotic American clown backed Russia’s military encirclement to “protect” Eastern Europe from Russian aggression — and in doing so, triggered the very aggression he claimed to be preventing.

Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[martybegan]

Ukraine doesn't have to militarily "beat" Russia. They've already knocked out about 20% of Russia's petroleum production and distribution capacity, and they and Europe can essentially strangle Russia now. Putin is on thin ice, both his economy and his personal safety.

Trump obviously doesn't want that for his own personal financial reasons of course, and that's why he did the TACO thing on more sanctions last week. All he had to do was pull the trigger. That could have been the death blow, but Trump is okay with dragging this on if he has to.

And yet they still haven't collapsed. Call me when Europe stops paying for and receiving Russian oil and gas.

 

[martybegan]

Fortunately, our former friends and former allies in Europe now fully know what they're dealing with.

Having them show up at the White House with Z was absolutely perfect. Unlike Trump, they're serious.

Again, call me when they stop giving $$ to Russia for oil and gas.

 

[Couchpotato]

Toddsterpatriot

How is what we did to Mexico any different than what Russia is currently doing to Ukraine?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Toddsterpatriot

How is what we did to Mexico any different than what Russia is currently doing to Ukraine?

Fewer commies.

 

[Couchpotato]

Fewer commies.

Ahh the tried and true. “It’s ok when we do it”. Schlick.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ahh the tried and true. “It’s ok when we do it”. Schlick.

 

[Couchpotato]

It is sad how stupid you are

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is sad how stupid you are

Poor Russia, never did nuthin' to nobody but people still don't trust her.
The nerve of some countries.
Just because Russia enslaved them after WW2, they think they can go join NATO.

 

[JoeB131]

The formerly enslaved nations joined NATO for protection from their enslavers.
And that makes Russia feel threatened? Poor Russia, never did nuthin' to nobody.

Um, most of the "Enslaved" Nations were active members of the Axis during the war.

And now they are throwing in with another anti-Russian alliance.