Zone1 The Great Lie

[IM2]

It gets said that other immigrants have come to America with nothing and made it, so why can't blacks.

Here's why.

“At the very same time that America refused to give the Negro any land, through an act of Congress our government was giving away millions of acres of land in the West and the Midwest, which meant it was willing to undergird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor.” -Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

The Homestead Acts gave away 246 million acres of land.To qualify for Homestead land, a person had to be a citizen of the United States, and blacks were not given citizenship until 1866. Research shows that 99.73 percent of that land went to whites, including white immigrants. 1.5 million white families were given free land, the equivalent of a minimum of $500,000 per family.

Shawn D Rochester, The Black Tax: The Cost of Being Black in America, pp, 49

After a lifetime of slavery, it should be noted that many freed blacks did not have the documents necessary to prove their identity. Once freed,blacks could get the documentation after registering for citizenship, but that documentation was not always considered proof by whites. The inability to show documents proving identity made it difficult for newly freed blacks to file homestead claims.

“As early as 1865, certain white Southerners put legal obstacles in place to prevent ex-slaves from acquiring property. In the provisional state governments under President Johnson’s protective leniency, planters not only prohibited black land ownership but enacted extreme measures of social control that virtually restored slavery. The black codes struck directly at freedmen striving to escape their subordination and to obtain their
communities. It was class and race legislation.”

https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=csd_research

During the twentieth century, numerous programs and policies were designed that provided race-based advantages by law for whites by every level of government in the United States. The policies excluded those who were not white; most excluded all who were not white and male. These were programs that provided benefits to a specific group, and that group was whites.

“I’m the beneficiary of the biggest affirmative action program in American history: A free education, a loan for a house. But black veterans didn’t get it. We got made middle class by our government program.”
-The Rev. Jim Wallis

Our society has allowed low lives into our national discourse on race. These liars and disingenuous opinion-makers have sold many in modern America a race-baited tale of opportunity lost and failure of black Americans that when examined, fails every fact check known to humanity. In the history of this country, I can point to at least four specific instances where whatever government was in power, colonial or constitutional republic, provided direct economic stimulus or assistance primarily for whites: The Headright Program, The Homestead Acts, The New Deal, and The Servicemen’s Readjustment Act.

The National Housing Act was passed by Congress and signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1934. This law created the Federal Housing Administration or the FHA. The FHA was able to create a guaranteed home loan program whereby potential homebuyers could get bank loans guaranteed against default by the government. But the government had standards, and most of those standards were based on racist beliefs.

Between 1934 and 1968, the FHA implemented and put into practicea policy that still negatively impacts communities today. The FHA Underwriting Manual set the guidelines real estate agents used to assess home values in American neighborhoods. This manual promoted racist real estate practices. It was done by defending racially restrictive covenants and segregated communities. Due to this manual, the FHA established a neighborhood grading system based purely on false racist perceptions. Redlining was the name of that grading system.

The formation of the FHA and its guaranteed loan program only worked to increase white advantage. “Of the $120 billion worth of new housing subsidized by the government between 1934 and 1962, less than 2 percent went to nonwhite families.

National Housing Act: Overview, Impact, Criticisms

The National Housing Act, passed in 1934 to strengthen the residential real estate market, created the Federal Housing Administration (FHA).

www.investopedia.com

The Racist Housing Policy That Made Your Neighborhood

The freewheeling opportunity associated with 20th-century California was not available to black residents, and that exclusion reverberates in our neighborhoods and communities today.

www.theatlantic.com

How Decades of Racist Housing Policy Left Neighborhoods Sweltering (Published 2020)

Redlining helped reshape the urban landscape of U.S. cities. It also left communities of color far more vulnerable to rising heat.

www.nytimes.com

So as white immigrants were coming over here with nothing, once they got here, they were ables to take advantage of being white. And the use of the race card allowed them access to programs blacks could not get. It also allowed them to join unions which insured decent pay, and those unions also excluded blacks.

More later....

 

[theHawk]

they were ables to take advantage of being white.

So now do you explain Latinos surpassing negroes ?

 

[DukeU]

so why can't blacks.

Here's why.

Meet America's Black Billionaires | Stacker


OOps.

There goes the narrative.

 

[Hellokitty]

Yeah I'm done with all the whining from the blacks on this stuff while they continue to support the democrat party who is allowing the flood of illegals in the country.
We have seen white parents go after the schools for the GLBT stuff. Where are black parents going after schools and the Biden administration for taking away resources from black students to fund education for illegals? When are blacks going to wake up and realize whining about the past and following the race hustlers is whats holding them back as a community.
We hear all the time about "the talk" black parents give their children on cops. Maybe black parents could start adding to "the talk" some stuff about not shoplifting, or carjacking, or getting involved with gangs/drugs...If black parents are capable of teaching their children fear of cops they can do the same in teaching them not to engage in criminal behaviors.

 

[1srelluc]

Thanks for the reminder OP.

I still own 50 acres of land that was part of a parcel granted (pre-Revolution) to my ancestors that I need to start thinking about selling. It borders what is now National Forest land so I'll sell it to them. They pay well and there is no fed tax burden if I sell it to the .gov.

 

[ninja007]

meanwhile im2 votes for a party destroying blacks by promoting abortion and illegal immigrants you fool.

 

[IM2]

“And be it further enacted, That to all white male citizens of the United States or persons who shall have made a declaration of intention to become such, above the age of twenty-one years, emigrating to and settling in said Territory between the first day of December, eighteen hundred and fifty, and the first day of December, eighteen hundred and fifty-three; and to all white male citizens, not hereinbefore provided for, becoming one and twenty years of age, in said Territory, and settling there between the times last aforesaid, who shall in other respects comply with the foregoing section and the provisions of this law, there shall be, and hereby is, granted the quantity of one quarter section, or one hundred and sixty acres of land, if a single man; or if married, or if he shall become married within one year after becoming twenty-one years of age as aforesaid, the quantity of one half section, or three hundred and twenty acres, one half to the husband and the other half to the wife in her own right, to be designated by the surveyor-general as aforesaid: Provided always, That no person shall ever receive a patent for more than one donation of land in said Territory in his or her own right: Provided, That no mineral lands shall be located or granted under the provisions of this act.”-The Donation Land Claim Act of 1850,

This act gave FREE land to whites to settle in what is now Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and parts of Wyoming and Montana.

“During a period where many citizens were given public land by thegovernment, Blacks who wanted to be small farm owners had to pay for theirland and struggle against obstacles that most of their White counterparts did not.”
From the start of homesteading, Freedmen faced the “pull yourself up by your bootstraps”attitude of people the freedmen’s labor helped to live comfortably ignoring how their labor had been THEIR bootstraps. During those times, that was called the Free Labor Philosophy. The Free Labor Philosophy was a northern belief about labor. As it pertains to the newly freed blacks, the northern whites in charge of the Freemans Bureau believed that blacks should earn the land they wanted by working to make money to buy it. These northern whites thought that if the government gave the land away, blacks would not respect work and would get used to living off the government.

Sound familiar? We are talking about people who worked from dark to dark seven days a week without wages for 246 years. This thinking was going on while the government was giving away free land to whites.

https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=csd_research

“But not only did they give them land, they built land grant colleges with government money to teach them how to farm. Not only that, they provided county agents to further their expertise in farming. Not only that, they provided low interest rates in order that they could mechanize their farms.

Not only that, today many of these people are receiving millions of dollars in federal subsidies not to farm, and they are the very people telling the black man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps. And this is what we are faced with, and this is the reality.” -Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

As Dr. King described, the government saw the need to provide education and services to assist whites moving west to help them survive on the free land the government was handing out. Because of that, the United States Congress passed the Morrill Act of 1862, better known as the Land Grant Act. The act gave each state 30,000 acres of landper senator to be used for educating homesteaders in the professions available during that time in America. The grants were used to build colleges making land grant colleges one result of the Morrill Act.

Blacks were not allowed to attend many Morrill Act institutions.

"I’m careful not to attribute any particular resistance or slight or opposition to race. But what I do believe is that if somebody didn’t have a problem with their daddy being employed by the federal government, and didn’t have a problem with the Tennessee Valley Authority electrifying certain communities, and didn’t have a problem with the interstate highway system being built, and didn’t have a problem with the GI Bill, and didn’t have a problem with the [Federal Housing Administration] subsidizing the suburbanization of America, and that all helped you build wealth and create a middle class — and then suddenly as soon as African Americans or Latinos are interested in availing themselves of those same mechanisms as ladders into the middle class, you now have a violent opposition to them — then I think you at least have to ask yourself the question of how consistent you are, and what’s different, and what’s changed." -Former President Barack Obama

 

[jwoodie]

"I’m careful not to attribute any particular resistance or slight or opposition to race. But what I do believe is that if somebody didn’t have a problem with their daddy being employed by the federal government, and didn’t have a problem with the Tennessee Valley Authority electrifying certain communities, and didn’t have a problem with the interstate highway system being built, and didn’t have a problem with the GI Bill, and didn’t have a problem with the [Federal Housing Administration] subsidizing the suburbanization of America, and that all helped you build wealth and create a middle class — and then suddenly as soon as African Americans or Latinos are interested in availing themselves of those same mechanisms as ladders into the middle class, you now have a violent opposition to them — then I think you at least have to ask yourself the question of how consistent you are, and what’s different, and what’s changed." -Former President Barack Obama

Time to move into the 21st century?

 

[IM2]

America has a history of providing whites with the necessary assistance programs to help them prosper. This nation was built by such programs. Right-wing whites gladly talk about how they made it based on those programs. MAGA was an appeal for a return to the time when America funded white progress only. The whining began when other races were allowed to get the same assistance. Once that happened the government was too big, too intrusive, and our tax money should not go to such programs because they foster dependency.

The Social Security Act of 1935 created the Social Security program,state unemployment insurance, and assistance to single women withchildren. Today, most Americans love the program. However, when theact was signed, the law excluded occupations mainly done by blacks. When President Roosevelt signed the law, approximately two-thirds of theblacks in America were ineligible. For years, most blacks were excluded from social security savings and could not get unemployment.

The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 created the minimum wage and time and a half overtime pay for working over forty hours a week. Child labor was eliminated by this act. All these were good things but… In every law that was passed as part of The New Deal, Roosevelt had to make a compromise with southern representatives to get the votes he needed. In the case of the FLSA, he decided that industries would be excluded from the regulations where the majority of workers were black. Because of this, blacks were paid less than the minimum wage.

On June 22, 1944, President Roosevelt signed the Servicemen’s Readjustment Act, better known as the G.I. Bill. This law provided benefits for veterans returning from the Second World War. Funds were paid for college tuition, low-cost home loans, and unemployment insurance. As in every other program during this time southern congressmen fought passage of these laws unless there were provisions that limited access to blacks. The G.I Bill was no different.

Democratic congressmen in the south fought against provisions of the GI Bill out of fear that returning black veterans might be able to pressure southern whites using public support for veterans to end the white dependence on cheap black labor and the white racial preferences better known as, “the southern “way of life.” Southern Democrats using the same tactics they used to make certain other policies in the New Deal helped as few black people as possible, wanted benefits to be administered by the states. Mississippi Congressman John Rankin was the ring leader in that regard. He and other Southern Democrats knew doing that would allow southern states to do what each state had been doing since the Civil Rights Cases. That would be states implementing policies full of loopholes and restrictions that would be enforced on blacks but not whites thereby ensuring the GI Bill would primarily benefit whites. In every case Northern Republicans gave southern Democrats what they wanted.

Brad Plumer, A second look at Social Security’s racist origins, Washington Post, June 3, 2013, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cond-look-at-social-securitys-racist-origins/
Larry DeWitt, The Decision to Exclude Agricultural and Domestic Workers from the 1935 Social Security Act, Social Security Bulletin, Vol. 70, No. 4, 2010
The Social Security Act of 1935, Social Security History

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[IM2]

The general argument in order to dismiss or derail conversations about the treatment of blacks is that everybody had it tough. That is true, but everybody else CHOSE to come to America. No matter what diversion is used, Africans sold Africans to whites. The shipping companies were not owned by Africans. Nor does it appear that the more than 10 million Africans shipped across the Atlantic made any contractual agreement to perform labor in return for passage. So yes, the Europeans that chose to come here with little or nothing did struggle. But the various European ethnic groups had one thing they used to lift themselves up. And they used it to step on others- the race card.

Those who claim today to have suffered like blacks did not. I will cite 2 groups, the Irish and the Polish. Upon coming to this country both groups were considered lesser and inferior. In the north, Irish and blacks competed for the same jobs, or should I say, were relegated to low wage, menial labor. Irish and blacks in the north lived in the same communities. Both groups mixed socially, intermarried and had biracial children. The green was the black when and where no blacks existed.

“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.

An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."

Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out.

Art McDonald, Ph.D.,

How the Irish Became White

The Polish had a similar experience.

“Here it is important to understand how, exactly, Americans ‘become white’. The history of Polish-Americans is an illuminating example. Upon arriving in the U.S. en masse in the late 19th and early 20th century, Poles endured discrimination based on their appearance, religion and culture. In 1903, the New England Magazine decried the Poles’ “expressionless Slavic faces” and “stunted figures” as well as their inherent “ignorance” and “propensity to violence”. Working for terrible wages, Polish workers were renamed things like “Thomas Jefferson” by their bigoted Anglo-Saxon bosses who refused to utter Polish names.

The Poles, in other words, were not considered white. Far from it: they were considered a mysterious menace that should be expelled. When Polish-American Leon Czolgosz killed President William McKinley in 1901, all Poles were deemed potential violent anarchists. “All people are mourning, and it is caused by a maniac who is of our nationality,” a Polish-American newspaper wrote, pressured to apologize for their own people. The collective blame of Poles for terrorism bears great similarity to how Muslims (both in the U.S. and Europe) are collectively blamed today.

But then something changed. In 1919, Irish gangs in blackface attacked Polish neighborhoods in Chicago in an attempt to convince Poles, and other Eastern European groups, that they, too, were “white” and should join them in the fight against blacks. As historian David R. Roediger recalls, “Poles argued that the riot was a conflict between blacks and whites, with Poles abstaining because they belonged to neither group.” But the Irish gangs considered whiteness, as is often the case in America, as anti-blackness. And as in the early 20th century Chicago experienced an influx not only of white immigrants from Europe, but blacks from the South, white groups who felt threatened by black arrivals decided that it would be politically advantageous if the Poles were considered white as well.

With that new white identity came the ability to practice the discrimination they had once endured.

Over time, the strategy of positioning Poles as “white” against a dark-skinned “other” was successful. Poles came to consider themselves white, and more importantly, they came to be considered white by their fellow Americans, as did Italians, Greeks, Jews, Russians, and others from Southern and Eastern Europe....

Sarah Kendzior, How do you become “white” in America?

 

[IM2]

Remembering black communities in Detroit and Elaine Arkansas that were destroyed​

 

[Meister]

I can only surmise that there were no Civil Rights enacted back in the 1800's.
And it was very difficult for the blacks, no doubt about that. That was corrected starting in the 1950's and 1960's
at the federal level. Sadly there is no on/off switch for racism, it is getting better, but not there yet. It will take generations
to rid the racism from our society. I'm not going to read what IM2 posted because of his own issues. It's kind
of like a one trick pony, I know what he's going to say, it's the same thing an activists keeps hammering on.
I know things today are better today than they were in the 1800's. It's getting better.

 

[Lastamender]

It gets said that other immigrants have come to America with nothing and made it, so why can't blacks.

Here's why.

“At the very same time that America refused to give the Negro any land, through an act of Congress our government was giving away millions of acres of land in the West and the Midwest, which meant it was willing to undergird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor.” -Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

The Homestead Acts gave away 246 million acres of land.To qualify for Homestead land, a person had to be a citizen of the United States, and blacks were not given citizenship until 1866. Research shows that 99.73 percent of that land went to whites, including white immigrants. 1.5 million white families were given free land, the equivalent of a minimum of $500,000 per family.

Shawn D Rochester, The Black Tax: The Cost of Being Black in America, pp, 49

After a lifetime of slavery, it should be noted that many freed blacks did not have the documents necessary to prove their identity. Once freed,blacks could get the documentation after registering for citizenship, but that documentation was not always considered proof by whites. The inability to show documents proving identity made it difficult for newly freed blacks to file homestead claims.

“As early as 1865, certain white Southerners put legal obstacles in place to prevent ex-slaves from acquiring property. In the provisional state governments under President Johnson’s protective leniency, planters not only prohibited black land ownership but enacted extreme measures of social control that virtually restored slavery. The black codes struck directly at freedmen striving to escape their subordination and to obtain their
communities. It was class and race legislation.”

https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=csd_research

During the twentieth century, numerous programs and policies were designed that provided race-based advantages by law for whites by every level of government in the United States. The policies excluded those who were not white; most excluded all who were not white and male. These were programs that provided benefits to a specific group, and that group was whites.

“I’m the beneficiary of the biggest affirmative action program in American history: A free education, a loan for a house. But black veterans didn’t get it. We got made middle class by our government program.”
-The Rev. Jim Wallis

Our society has allowed low lives into our national discourse on race. These liars and disingenuous opinion-makers have sold many in modern America a race-baited tale of opportunity lost and failure of black Americans that when examined, fails every fact check known to humanity. In the history of this country, I can point to at least four specific instances where whatever government was in power, colonial or constitutional republic, provided direct economic stimulus or assistance primarily for whites: The Headright Program, The Homestead Acts, The New Deal, and The Servicemen’s Readjustment Act.

The National Housing Act was passed by Congress and signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1934. This law created the Federal Housing Administration or the FHA. The FHA was able to create a guaranteed home loan program whereby potential homebuyers could get bank loans guaranteed against default by the government. But the government had standards, and most of those standards were based on racist beliefs.

Between 1934 and 1968, the FHA implemented and put into practicea policy that still negatively impacts communities today. The FHA Underwriting Manual set the guidelines real estate agents used to assess home values in American neighborhoods. This manual promoted racist real estate practices. It was done by defending racially restrictive covenants and segregated communities. Due to this manual, the FHA established a neighborhood grading system based purely on false racist perceptions. Redlining was the name of that grading system.

The formation of the FHA and its guaranteed loan program only worked to increase white advantage. “Of the $120 billion worth of new housing subsidized by the government between 1934 and 1962, less than 2 percent went to nonwhite families.

National Housing Act: Overview, Impact, Criticisms

The National Housing Act, passed in 1934 to strengthen the residential real estate market, created the Federal Housing Administration (FHA).

www.investopedia.com

The Racist Housing Policy That Made Your Neighborhood

The freewheeling opportunity associated with 20th-century California was not available to black residents, and that exclusion reverberates in our neighborhoods and communities today.

www.theatlantic.com

How Decades of Racist Housing Policy Left Neighborhoods Sweltering (Published 2020)

Redlining helped reshape the urban landscape of U.S. cities. It also left communities of color far more vulnerable to rising heat.

www.nytimes.com

So as white immigrants were coming over here with nothing, once they got here, they were ables to take advantage of being white. And the use of the race card allowed them access to programs blacks could not get. It also allowed them to join unions which insured decent pay, and those unions also excluded blacks.

More later....

Is the great lie your post? Give us a clue.

 

[IM2]

"Imagine living in a thriving Black community where you could find refuge from discrimination in the days when racism was at its peak. Such communities existed in the United States during segregation, and at least 200 of them were established by 1888. But as time passed, many of these communities disappeared from the map, completely erased from black history.

Why were these towns deliberately hidden and erased, and what can we learn from this dark and troubling part of black history?"

 

[MizMolly]

The general argument in order to dismiss or derail conversations about the treatment of blacks is that everybody had it tough. That is true, but everybody else CHOSE to come to America. No matter what diversion is used, Africans sold Africans to whites. The shipping companies were not owned by Africans. Nor does it appear that the more than 10 million Africans shipped across the Atlantic made any contractual agreement to perform labor in return for passage. So yes, the Europeans that chose to come here with little or nothing did struggle. But the various European ethnic groups had one thing they used to lift themselves up. And they used it to step on others- the race card.

Those who claim today to have suffered like blacks did not. I will cite 2 groups, the Irish and the Polish. Upon coming to this country both groups were considered lesser and inferior. In the north, Irish and blacks competed for the same jobs, or should I say, were relegated to low wage, menial labor. Irish and blacks in the north lived in the same communities. Both groups mixed socially, intermarried and had biracial children. The green was the black when and where no blacks existed.

“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.

An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."

Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out.

Art McDonald, Ph.D.,

How the Irish Became White

The Polish had a similar experience.

“Here it is important to understand how, exactly, Americans ‘become white’. The history of Polish-Americans is an illuminating example. Upon arriving in the U.S. en masse in the late 19th and early 20th century, Poles endured discrimination based on their appearance, religion and culture. In 1903, the New England Magazine decried the Poles’ “expressionless Slavic faces” and “stunted figures” as well as their inherent “ignorance” and “propensity to violence”. Working for terrible wages, Polish workers were renamed things like “Thomas Jefferson” by their bigoted Anglo-Saxon bosses who refused to utter Polish names.

The Poles, in other words, were not considered white. Far from it: they were considered a mysterious menace that should be expelled. When Polish-American Leon Czolgosz killed President William McKinley in 1901, all Poles were deemed potential violent anarchists. “All people are mourning, and it is caused by a maniac who is of our nationality,” a Polish-American newspaper wrote, pressured to apologize for their own people. The collective blame of Poles for terrorism bears great similarity to how Muslims (both in the U.S. and Europe) are collectively blamed today.

But then something changed. In 1919, Irish gangs in blackface attacked Polish neighborhoods in Chicago in an attempt to convince Poles, and other Eastern European groups, that they, too, were “white” and should join them in the fight against blacks. As historian David R. Roediger recalls, “Poles argued that the riot was a conflict between blacks and whites, with Poles abstaining because they belonged to neither group.” But the Irish gangs considered whiteness, as is often the case in America, as anti-blackness. And as in the early 20th century Chicago experienced an influx not only of white immigrants from Europe, but blacks from the South, white groups who felt threatened by black arrivals decided that it would be politically advantageous if the Poles were considered white as well.

With that new white identity came the ability to practice the discrimination they had once endured.

Over time, the strategy of positioning Poles as “white” against a dark-skinned “other” was successful. Poles came to consider themselves white, and more importantly, they came to be considered white by their fellow Americans, as did Italians, Greeks, Jews, Russians, and others from Southern and Eastern Europe....

Sarah Kendzior, How do you become “white” in America?

You CHOOSE to live in America. You are still trying to get money for things you did not endure.

 

[IM2]

I can only surmise that there were no Civil Rights enacted back in the 1800's.
And it was very difficult for the blacks, no doubt about that. That was corrected starting in the 1950's and 1960's
at the federal level. Sadly there is no on/off switch for racism, it is getting better, but not there yet. It will take generations
to rid the racism from our society. I'm not going to read what IM2 posted because of his own issues. It's kind
of like a one trick pony, I know what he's going to say, it's the same thing an activists keeps hammering on.
I know things today are better today than they were in the 1800's. It's getting better.

Said by a white man that practices racism in 2023.

How many MORE generations will it take? Whites didn't wait 300 years to stop the British from abusing them, but white racism thats gone on for 404 years will take generations to end. You would think after 404 years, racism would be gone. I mean it took approximately 175 years to be free of British oppression, but after 404 years of racism we read this white idiot talking about how it's going to take generations.

And so to this moron I have a problem because I believe racism should have ended around, let's say, 1620. But since he's white and doesn't have to live with racism, and as a 70 odd year old white male who has benefitted from racism his entire life, it makes no sense to him how people could actually be out of patience with the white excuse of gradualism. Whites have waited for nothing. There is not one damn right whites in America has had to wait 200 years for then get told that they must wait just a few years more, then when the few years have gone by, get told that they will have to wait just a little longer.

So how long are we going to have to wait for right wing whites like you to stop being racists? 450 years? 500? 600? Maybe by the year 2500?

Meister, it's you who has the problem. Funny how you never insert yourself into threads by white supremacists and tell them how they are one notes. Because you're one of them and as you're about to move on beyond this existence, you need to understand that young people of color are tired of waiting. 404 years has been plenty of time. The truth is, that you racists don't want to change.

 

[IM2]

Yeah I'm done with all the whining from the blacks on this stuff while they continue to support the democrat party who is allowing the flood of illegals in the country.
We have seen white parents go after the schools for the GLBT stuff. Where are black parents going after schools and the Biden administration for taking away resources from black students to fund education for illegals? When are blacks going to wake up and realize whining about the past and following the race hustlers is whats holding them back as a community.
We hear all the time about "the talk" black parents give their children on cops. Maybe black parents could start adding to "the talk" some stuff about not shoplifting, or carjacking, or getting involved with gangs/drugs...If black parents are capable of teaching their children fear of cops they can do the same in teaching them not to engage in criminal behaviors.

Ignorant. When you look at the statistics on crime we see that it's whites who need to talk to their children. And todays republican party is the party of slavery was beneficial. So no one cares what you're tired of.

 

[IM2]

Time to move into the 21st century?

Since those like you are the first to tell us how immigrants did things and that white racism is a problem in the 21st century.....

 

[IM2]

I can only surmise that there were no Civil Rights enacted back in the 1800's.

Actually there was, and this shows just how clueless you are and why you need to stop trying to argue.

The Civil Rights Act of 1875, sometimes called the Enforcement Act or the Force Act, was a United States federal law enacted during the Reconstruction era in response to civil rights violations against African Americans. The bill was passed by the 43rd United States Congress and signed into law by United States President Ulysses S. Grant on March 1, 1875. The act was designed to "protect all citizens in their civil and legal rights", providing for equal treatment in public accommodations and public transportation and prohibiting exclusion from jury service.

Civil Rights Act of 1875 - Wikipedia

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And before you try making excuses or falsely glorify whites:

President Grant had wanted an entirely different law to help him suppress election-related violence against blacks and Republicans in the South. Congress did not give him that, but instead wrote a law for equal rights to public accommodations that was passed as a memorial to Grant's bitterest enemy, the late Senator Charles Sumner. Grant never commented on the 1875 law, and did nothing to enforce it, says historian John Hope Franklin. Grant's Justice Department ignored it and did not send copies to US attorneys, says Franklin, while many federal judges called it unconstitutional before the Supreme Court shut it down. Franklin concludes regarding Grant and Hayes administrations, "The Civil Rights Act was never effectively enforced." Public opinion was opposed, with the black community in support. Historian Rayford Logan looking at newspaper editorials finds the press was overwhelmingly opposed.

The Supreme Court, in an 8–1 decision, declared sections of the act unconstitutional in the Civil Rights Cases on October 15, 1883. Justice John Marshall Harlan provided the lone dissent. The Court held the Equal Protection Clause within the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits discrimination by the state and local government, but it does not give the federal government the power to prohibit discrimination by private individuals and organizations. The Court also held that the Thirteenth Amendment was meant to eliminate "the badge of slavery," but not to prohibit racial discrimination in public accommodations.

Civil Rights Act of 1875 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[leftwinger]

Vietnamese arrived late 70s’ picked off homade boats in the ocean. They were “given” nothing more than any others. Within 20 yrs. They were thriving.


the biggest racism problem is Blacks on all others. Unprovoked violence off the charts in large groups hating and attacking innocent whites or mexicans.