Zone1 The God Proof

[BULLDOG]

You could ask him yourself. He is Jehovah.

Been there and done that. He doesn't seem to be answering.

 

[alang1216]

The part where you offered evidence for that belief?

There are an almost infinite number of gods in human history. Do you contend that every one except the god of the bible are
created by man?

Let's hear your explanation for why the universe was created and hardwired to produce life and intelligence.

I don't know how or why the universe was created. As for being hardwired to produce life and intelligence, I have to disagree, depending on your definition of intelligence. According to you, carrots a spiritual aspect, are they also intelligent?

Of course you don't "buy it," you reject and dismiss all evidence while you yourself offer no opposing logic or philosophical explanation pertaining to the origin of our existence.

I tend to believe we are the product of natural forces. I'm not sure where logic or philosophy plays a part.

 

[BULLDOG]

The part where you offered evidence for that belief? Let's hear your explanation for why the universe was created and hardwired to produce life and intelligence.

Of course you don't "buy it," you reject and dismiss all evidence while you yourself offer no opposing logic or philosophical explanation pertaining to the origin of our existence.

No opposing arguement is needed. You haven't been convincing. Whose job is it to prove or disprove your claims?

 

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Maybe.

Are you back to epic conspiracy again?

 

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No opposing arguement is needed. You haven't been convincing. Whose job is it to prove or disprove your claims?

It's very convenient for you to reject everything. It requires no intellect whatsoever. But the fact that you have no explanation for the universe popping into existence being hardwired to produce intelligence is proof that you are the one with no evidence. So there is nothing for me to reject because you not only have no evidence, you don't even have an argument.

 

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There are an almost infinite number of gods in human history. Do you contend that every one except the god of the bible are
created by man?

No. There are many different perceptions of God. Rather than supporting your belief there is no God, it shows that belief in God is pervasive and has existed in every society in overwhelming numbers since the beginning of man.

We are hardwired to believe in and worship God.

 

[BULLDOG]

It's very convenient for you to reject everything. It requires no intellect whatsoever. But the fact that you have no explanation for the universe popping into existence being hardwired to produce intelligence is proof that you are the one with no evidence. So there is nothing for me to reject because you not only have no evidence, you don't even have an argument.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. If I was, I would need some sort of proof. I just said you haven't convinced me of your claims and told you what I think the best guess might be. Believe what you choose, but you need proof to convince me that your claim is correct.

 

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I don't know how or why the universe was created. As for being hardwired to produce life and intelligence, I have to disagree, depending on your definition of intelligence. According to you, carrots a spiritual aspect, are they also intelligent?

What you really mean to say is that you don't know how or why the universe was created but you are 100% certain that God didn't do it. Which is a contradictory statement. If you don't know how or why, then you can't know it wasn't God.

You don't believe the laws of nature predestined beings that know and create even though beings that know and create arose according to the laws of nature? Evolution of space and time which includes biological evolution is not random. It occurs for logical reasons. That you cannot see that space and time has evolved to produce increasing complexity baffles me.

You are the one who brought up carrots, dummy. I merely said I don't see why all living things can't have a spiritual component commensurate with their awareness. All living things are aware to some degree as all living things respond to their environment.

 

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I tend to believe we are the product of natural forces. I'm not sure where logic or philosophy plays a part.

Now you are contradicting yourself. Which is it? Are we a product of natural forces or are we a product of randomness because the laws of nature aren't tuned to produce life and intelligence.

The realm of philosophy starts right before the universe popped into existence. Any GOOD philosophical argument will be based upon how the universe evolved and will use logic to show how that pertains to the origin questions. A good example of a philosophical argument is that since the same laws that describe the evolution of space and time applied to the creation of space and time, then the laws of nature must have been in existence before the creation of space and time.

Do you have a different explanation?

 

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I'm not trying to convince you of anything. If I was, I would need some sort of proof. I just said you haven't convinced me of your claims and told you what I think the best guess might be. Believe what you choose, but you need proof to convince me that your claim is correct.

It's not my job to convince you. I'm perfectly fine with you leading a godless life. Good luck with that. I've travelled both paths. I know what your path is like.

It's quite funny that you say you need proof when you have no proof for what you believe.

 

[BULLDOG]

Now you are contradicting yourself. Which is it? Are we a product of natural forces or are we a product of randomness because the laws of nature aren't tuned to produce life and intelligence.

The realm of philosophy starts right before the universe popped into existence. Any GOOD philosophical argument will be based upon how the universe evolved and will use logic to show how that pertains to the origin questions. A good example of a philosophical argument is that since the same laws that describe the evolution of space and time applied to the creation of space and time, then the laws of nature must have been in existence before the creation of space and time.

Do you have a different explanation?

You seem to be the only one claiming to have the definitive answer. "I tend to believe", or "this seems to be the most likely answer " don't demand that you believe anything. Stop trying to have an argument when there is nothing to argue about.

 

[BULLDOG]

It's not my job to convince you. I'm perfectly fine with you leading a godless life. Good luck with that. I've travelled both paths. I know what your path is like.

It's quite funny that you say you need proof when you have no proof for what you believe.

Of course, I have reasons to believe as I do. I also know that my belief might change if/when better information is produced.

 

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You seem to be the only one claiming to have the definitive answer. "I tend to believe", or "this seems to be the most likely answer " don't demand that you believe anything. Stop trying to have an argument when there is nothing to argue about.

Are you sure about that? Because every society since the beginning of man has overwhelmingly believed that God exists.

Man is hardwired for worship. He is going to worship something. The only choice in the matter is what he chooses to worship.

 

[alang1216]

Are you back to epic conspiracy again?

'Conspiracy' is what you always come back to, it is not a word I've ever used in this context.

 

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Of course, I have reasons to believe as I do. I also know that my belief might change if/when better information is produced.

What are those reasons?

 

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'Conspiracy' is what you always come back to, it is not a word I've ever used in this context.

Because when it comes to Jesus those are the only two options. Either he said and did the things that have been recorded or it was an epic conspiracy by others.

 

[BULLDOG]

Are you sure about that? Because every society since the beginning of man has overwhelmingly believed that God exists.

Man is hardwired for worship. He is going to worship something. The only choice in the matter is what he chooses to worship.

I'm sure that I might not have the definitive answer and that you claim you do.

 

[alang1216]

No. There are many different perceptions of God. Rather than supporting your belief there is no God, it shows that belief in God is pervasive and has existed in every society in overwhelming numbers since the beginning of man.

We are hardwired to believe in and worship God.

OK, let's say that is so, why should I believe your perception of God is any more accurate than the Aztec's perception? Maybe we should be ripping the heart out of living people if that is what we perceive he wants.

 

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I'm sure that I might not have the definitive answer and that you claim you do.

And I'm not alone as every society since the beginning of man has overwhelmingly believed that God exists.

 

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OK, let's say that is so, why should I believe your perception of God is any more accurate than the Aztec's perception? Maybe we should be ripping the heart out of living people if that is what we perceive he wants.

That's pretty idiotic logic. Rather than forcing everyone to believe the same thing, it is more logical for each person to perceive God in a manner that works best for them. God will do the rest. God loves diversity. Diversity is natural. Look around. It's everywhere. Diversity plays a vital role in everything. It's how truth is discovered. And God is truth among other "things."