Zone1 The God Proof

[frigidweirdo]

Of course it is a theory just like gravity is still just a theory. It's the best guess that matches what is known.

Yes, and the view is changing slightly as we get more knowledgeable..

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes, and the view is changing slightly as we get more knowledgeable..

That's how science works.

 

[ding]

I would be thrilled to be convinced. "Because I believe it" is just not convincing enough.

It's your loss.

 

[ding]

"God is existence" - if that is true why hasn't he signed his work?
"God isn't a thing. Things have causes" - You like to define God as you think he should be defined. If I defined God as a thing, could you prove me wrong? None of your statements are falsifiable.

He has. You are without excuse.

No, I define God as every extant attribute of reality because every extant attribute of reality exists. You have no perception of God. So it isn't surprising you can't find God. So instead here you are discussing God.

 

[BULLDOG]

He has. You are without excuse.

No, I define God as every extant attribute of reality because every extant attribute of reality exists. You have no perception of God. So it isn't surprising you can't find God. So instead here you are discussing God.

We exist, therefore God. Are you really gonna try to argue that?

 

[ding]

We exist, therefore God. Are you really gonna try to argue that?

Actually I am arguing that God is the source or matrix of reality so it would be God exists so we do.

But no, I'm not arguing that. I am arguing that God can be known through the light of human reason from what God has created. The evidence is literally all around and in you. That you choose to ignore it is on you, not me. I really couldn't care less how you live your life. Please do continue ignoring the higher aspects of your humanity and chasing the satisfaction of material needs and primitive impulses at the expense of the essence of your being.

 

[BULLDOG]

Actually I am arguing that God is the source or matrix of reality so it would be God exists so we do.

But no, I'm not arguing that. I am arguing that God can be known through the light of human reason from what God has created. The evidence is literally all around and in you. That you choose to ignore it is on you, not me. I really couldn't care less how you live your life. Please do continue ignoring the higher aspects of your humanity and chasing the satisfaction of material needs and primitive impulses at the expense of the essence of your being.

I get it now. You can see God in the beauty of nature all around you. Makes for great poetry but for actual proof, not so much.

 

[ding]

I get it now. You can see God in the beauty of nature all around you. Makes for great poetry but for actual proof, not so much.

No. I see God as every extant attribute of reality. Not that God possesses those traits, but that God IS those traits. What you are describing is pantheism. I don't believe the painter is the painting.

 

[BULLDOG]

No. I see God as every extant attribute of reality. Not that God possesses those traits, but that God IS those traits. What you are describing is pantheism. I don't believe the painter is the painting.

If God is every extant attribute of reality, how can the painter not be the painting?

 

[alang1216]

He has. You are without excuse.

Show me where God has signed his work.

No, I define God as every extant attribute of reality because every extant attribute of reality exists.

You are welcome to define God any way you wish but you can't define reality into existence.

You have no perception of God. So it isn't surprising you can't find God. So instead here you are discussing God.

I would say you had your perception of God so it isn't surprising you found God. If you had a pre-conceived notion of aliens, you would certainly have found aliens.

 

[ding]

If God is every extant attribute of reality, how can the painter not be the painting?

Attributes of reality aren't things. So, how can the painter be the painting?

 

[BULLDOG]

Attributes of reality aren't things. So, how can the painter be the painting?

Attributes are things. They might not be material things, such as a hammer or a shoe, but they are things.

 

[BULLDOG]

Attributes of reality aren't things. So, how can the painter be the painting?

The word Attributes is a plural noun. It's not a person or a place.

 

[ding]

Show me where God has signed his work.


You are welcome to define God any way you wish but you can't define reality into existence.


I would say you had your perception of God so it isn't surprising you found God. If you had a pre-conceived notion of aliens, you would certainly have found aliens.

Show me where God hasn't left his mark. How can existence come from non-existence? It can't. Existence has always existed. Ergo, existence is uncaused and the cause for all "things" that exist.

You have no perception of God which is why you can't discover God. My perception of God is that God is love, God is truth, God is logic, etc. Is it surprising to you that I found love, truth, logic, etc.? Are you telling me you have never found love, truth, logic, etc.? No. You aren't telling me that. Confirmation of God comes from the magic that happens when one perceives God as God IS. Something you have never done.

 

[ding]

The word Attributes is a plural noun. It's not a person or a place.

And? So what? God isn't a person or a place. God is existence. God is reality.

 

[ding]

Attributes are things. They might not be material things, such as a hammer or a shoe, but they are things.

No, attributes are not "things." Attributes are incorporeal.

 

[kjw47]

How did He do it? Was there a Big Bang and 4 billion years of evolution?

The bible doesn't say. But there was no evolution.

 

[kjw47]

Well, that's a matter of what you think.

If you accept illogical things, and it keeps you happy, then fine, but you won't like talking about this topic with others.

You won't like the topic when you find out Gen 1:1 is fact.

 

[BULLDOG]

The bible doesn't say. But there was no evolution.

Of course there has been evolution. Selective breeding of plants and animals happens every day.

 

[alang1216]

The bible doesn't say. But there was no evolution.

Does the Bible say that or is that you saying there was no evolution?

Show me where God hasn't left his mark.

The hair on the back of your hand.

How can existence come from non-existence? It can't. Existence has always existed. Ergo, existence is uncaused and the cause for all "things" that exist.

That is not logic, that is a verbal Mobius strip.

You have no perception of God which is why you can't discover God. My perception of God is that God is love, God is truth, God is logic, etc. Is it surprising to you that I found love, truth, logic, etc.? Are you telling me you have never found love, truth, logic, etc.? No. You aren't telling me that. Confirmation of God comes from the magic that happens when one perceives God as God IS. Something you have never done.

I have a perception of God, just not your perception. You believe God created man, I believe man created God. Sounds like an impasse since neither of us can offer proof.