Zone1 The God Proof

[Meriweather]

So the Bible, the Koran, the Vedas, etc. are all essentially the same and have equal value?

No. Think about it. The Bible consists of a number of books. Would you ask whether the Book of 3 John (one of the shortest) has the same value as Isaiah (one of the longest). That would be similar to comparing/contrasting apples and oranges. Just as both fruits have their specified values, each book has its specified value.

Are you a Christian or a Deist or something else?

Christian. I believe God starts with an invitation for each of us wherever we are, and draws us to Him.

Why does it trouble you that different area/peoples/cultures have different religions? Is it your belief that God cannot find people who live in forests, that He is only able to find those who live on deserts or mountain tops? If not, why are you seemingly troubled that someone might choose the "wrong" religion? That places quite the limitations on God. For example, God found me and drew me through Him through Catholicism, as He did many Saints. He found Mohammad who was trying to merge Judaism and Christianity and came up with Islam, where He drew people closer to Him. Think of the great prophets of Judaism. Our boundaries are not God's boundaries. We all have the same destination, even though we start out in different places. The question is not, Who does God love, because God loves all. The question is, Who loves God? I'll say the answer to that is no one--at least not nearly enough. The difference is that there are/have been a very great number who very much want to try and to do his/her best. That's what brings each of us to wholeness (which is sometimes defined as perfection).

 

[kjw47]

Been there and done that. He doesn't seem to be answering.

Not a problem on his end, its something on your end.
And here i am, he is answering.

 

[alang1216]

No. Think about it. The Bible consists of a number of books. Would you ask whether the Book of 3 John (one of the shortest) has the same value as Isaiah (one of the longest). That would be similar to comparing/contrasting apples and oranges. Just as both fruits have their specified values, each book has its specified value.

Should I assume that, since you believe all scriptures have value, you have read and studied the Koran and the Vedas?

Why does it trouble you that different area/peoples/cultures have different religions?

When I was young, it seemed to me that, since all religions have a different view of their deities, they could not all be correct so, my young logic told me all were wrong. Since then I've studied Judaism and Christianity and observed how they have evolved as their adherents have changed over time. It makes more sense to me to think that God, the supernatural, and religions are creations of the societies that first believed in them. In short, man creates gods, not the other way round.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

tgpyz00124 Evil Republican … Nicole Malliotakis
Miiinimais

. Smiling with musk.
Nicole Malliotakis
ny11 joined the conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election for Don Trump and Jesus

The Supreme Court is leading a Christian conservative revolution​

Almost as soon as Justice Barrett was confirmed, the Court handed down a revolutionary “religious liberty” decision. It hasn’t slowed down since.
by Ian Millhiser. Jan 30, 2022 at 8:00 AM EST

Anti-abortion activists pray outside the US Supreme Court in Washington, DC, on October 2, 2021. Andrew Caballero-Reynolds/AFP via Getty Images

Ian Millhiser is a senior correspondent at Vox, where he focuses on the Supreme Court, the Constitution, and the decline of liberal democracy in the United States. He received a JD from Duke University and is the author of two books on the Supreme Court.

Politics and Religion: Catholic Conservatives Win Seats in South Brooklyn - The Tablet

Election Day 2020 proved to be a great day for Republicans in South Brooklyn, the only Conservative bastion within the borough. It was a complete reversal of what happened in 2018 when a coalition of Democratic candidates swept through the area and took over the Senate and Congressional seats...

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House Republican Rips Trump’s ‘Unacceptable’ Pardons of Violent J6 Convicts: ‘We Have To Support Our Law Enforcement’

Rep. Nicole Malliotakis criticized President Donald Trump over his pardons of criminals convicted of assaulting police officers during the Capitol riot.

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“I do wonder what your message would be to those Capitol Hill police officers who were injured and assaulted defending fellow Republicans who now are defending these pardons?” Sanchez followed up.​

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“Well, look, I can only speak for myself,” Malliotakis replied. “And certainly I stand with our Capitol Police and all our law enforcement. I’m very proud to be one of the few individuals here in Congress that actually in the past has received the endorsement of the Capitol Police union, and we have to support our law enforcement. We need to hold those who injure them and kill them accountable.​

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what I say: Malliotakis is not standing with the police or any place when she continues to call us with the lawless president of the United States and his lawless Republican Party. tgpyz00124

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[Meriweather]

Should I assume that, since you believe all scriptures have value, you have read and studied the Koran and the Vedas?

Why would you assume that?

When I was young, it seemed to me that, since all religions have a different view of their deities, they could not all be correct so, my young logic told me all were wrong. Since then I've studied Judaism and Christianity and observed how they have evolved as their adherents have changed over time. It makes more sense to me to think that God, the supernatural, and religions are creations of the societies that first believed in them. In short, man creates gods, not the other way round.

I grew up in a large family. I was quite used to us all having different views of the same thing--and I am not even referring to religion. There are a lot of different views of Donald Trump. They can't all be correct, so he must not exist, or if he does, he's just the creation of a number of people. Our President is man-made and a figment of our imaginations.

Are you a parent; did you have any siblings? Did everyone see your parents exactly the same? Do you see your children in exactly the same way? Are your relationships with everyone you know identical?

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

Do you agree that this proves God?


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There are over 2 billion people in China and India who don't believe in the Christian God. What is their causality?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Rather than forcing everyone to believe the same thing, it is more logical for each person to perceive God in a manner that works best for them. God will do the rest. God loves diversity. Diversity is natural. Look around. It's everywhere. Diversity plays a vital role in everything. It's how truth is discovered. And God is truth among other "things."

why do you force feed Christianity on everybody?

 

[Grumblenuts]

The Ether = Mother Nature = God
Naturally favors Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
Loves recycling
..Always..
Deposit and Flush with pride!

 

[BreezeWood]

Naturally favors Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion

do you like to torture people ...

- desert dwellers go screaming crazy whenever they hear - diversity equity inclusion - surly for them that is straight from the depths of hell brought to the surface by non other than liberals their most hated and despised enemy.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

That's totally contradictory. You can't be agnostic and have beliefs of what God is or isn't. But even worse it shows you are biased.

Ding.

Do you think G-d was lonely, so He created us?

 

[ding]

Absolutely wrong since they are two completely different things, no matter how much you wish to conflate them.

How so?

 

[ding]

Ding.

Do you think G-d was lonely, so He created us?

No. I think it's the nature of intelligence to create intelligence.

 

[ding]

If intelligence is a functional advantage why didn't the dinosaurs evolve a technological civilization in their 150 million years and exploit that functional advantage? Our a technological civilization is measured in thousands of years, will we outlast the dinos/birds?

A few reasons. Cold blooded, no opposable thumbs, couldn't use fire. Maybe research the caloric requirements of human brains and spatial awareness?

Not sure why you think longevity is the measure of intelligence though. I would say look at accomplishments that are commensurate with intelligence.

 

[ding]

If intelligence is a functional advantage

That really is an idiotic thing to say.

 

[ding]

Dangerous to extrapolate from a single example.

That's because you don't see how nature built towards intelligence. It's not a single example. It's the culmination of ever increasing complexity.

But you really don't see how it's the nature of intelligence to create intelligence? Or is it that you don't want to cede any ground no matter how self evident it is?

Humans are obsessed with making smart things.

 

[ding]

Again, lots of extrapolations based on a single example.

Feel free to share what you think are random processes. Because you aren't going to fly waving your arms like that.

 

[ding]

Our universe does seem to support life. Are there other universes that also produced life but based on different parameters?

You are really getting desperate. It's not the universe that determines if it is finely tuned to produce life and intelligence, it's the structure of matter and the laws of nature that determine that. So why would they be different?

 

[ding]

It can't be true or you don't want it to true? Sorry, but the mathematical calculations of physicists show that other theories are possible.

What can't be true is that you prefer hard science guided by hard evidence. You don't know jack shit about science and you make little to no effort to understand it. This is especially true for the origin of the universe.

 

[ding]

Again, you focus on one of many theories because that one seems consistent with Genesis.

Incorrect. When you can tell me how the CMB was produced, then you will know just how big of an idiot you are for arguing against the science of the big bang.

 

[ding]

why do you force feed Christianity on everybody?

Is that what I am doing? Can you point to a specific post in this thread that shows that?