Zone1 The God Proof

[kjw47]

If there were no jelly, no jar of peanut butter, no bread, and no table, and no outer space to blow them out to, how many more years would it take for that same sandwich to appear?

0 if created by God.

 

[kjw47]

Because you can't understand how the BB created our universe, that makes it impossible? I think not.

God created everything. Even scientists are seeing that fact.

 

[alang1216]

God created everything. Even scientists are seeing that fact.

Science is the study of the natural world. By definition, God is outside of the natural world. Therefore, anyone who claims "God created everything" is NOT a scientist.

 

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And we're back to that again. If you so easly say god simply is and always has been, why is it so hard to say the bg bang theory can't be right because we can't yet prove why it happened? Explain your logic.

We're back to that because that's what God is. What you are looking for doesn't exist.

 

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Easy to say, impossible to prove right or wrong in the complete absence of evidence.

What kind of evidence do you think should exist? Besides studying what was created. What evidence are you looking for?

 

[BULLDOG]

What kind of evidence do you think should exist? Besides studying what was created. What evidence are you looking for?

Your arguements haven't been convincing. It's your job to come up with a convincing arguement. Not those you are trying to convince.

 

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Your arguements haven't been convincing. It's your job to come up with a convincing arguement. Not those you are trying to convince.

There's no evidence you will accept. It's literally all around and in you.

 

[BULLDOG]

There's no evidence you will accept. It's literally all around and in you.

I would be thrilled to be convinced. "Because I believe it" is just not convincing enough.

 

[kjw47]

Science is the study of the natural world. By definition, God is outside of the natural world. Therefore, anyone who claims "God created everything" is NOT a scientist.

They are seeing how precise everything is to be able to work correctly--not by chance, but by design.

 

[alang1216]

What kind of evidence do you think should exist? Besides studying what was created. What evidence are you looking for?

"God is existence" - if that is true why hasn't he signed his work?
"God isn't a thing. Things have causes" - You like to define God as you think he should be defined. If I defined God as a thing, could you prove me wrong? None of your statements are falsifiable.

 

[alang1216]

They are seeing how precise everything is to be able to work correctly--not by chance, but by design.

Actually, the exact opposite is true. Got an example that hasn't been debunked by science?

 

[BULLDOG]

Actually, the exact opposite is true. Got an example that hasn't been debunked by science?

Sure. He's right up there with unicorns and an ex-wife who isn't batshit crazy. We know they all could be true, but so far there is no reason to believe they are.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Do you agree that this proves God?


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Nope, doesn't make sense.

They're saying everything has a cause, but something has to have existed out of nowhere without a cause.

They broke their own argument by point number 2.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The big bang would equal trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of atoms being blasted out in utter confusion, yet all landing perfectly to create all creation working in harmony= never. One can put a jar of peanut butter, a jar of jelly and 2 slices of bread on a table, how many years would it take to have a pb and jelly sandwich if blown out into outer space?= never.

Nope. The theory states that atoms didn't exist for a long time (well, long for us, no in terms of the development of the universe) after the Big Bang.

Atoms are just energy. Everything is just energy. The Big Bang theory says energy was thrown out at huge speeds, but that it was too hot to form atoms at that time. In other words, the energy was moving so fast it couldn't settle down to form atoms.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And we're back to that again. If you so easly say god simply is and always has been, why is it so hard to say the bg bang theory can't be right because we can't yet prove why it happened? Explain your logic.

The Big Bang theory is still a theory, and a lot of things are unanswered. Even mainstream physicists work on the basis that it might not actually be right.

 

[kjw47]

Actually, the exact opposite is true. Got an example that hasn't been debunked by science?

Gen 1:1--God created the heavens and the Earth.--Not a wise place to stand calling him a liar.

 

[kjw47]

Nope. The theory states that atoms didn't exist for a long time (well, long for us, no in terms of the development of the universe) after the Big Bang.

Atoms are just energy. Everything is just energy. The Big Bang theory says energy was thrown out at huge speeds, but that it was too hot to form atoms at that time. In other words, the energy was moving so fast it couldn't settle down to form atoms.

It doesn't matter, what matters is Genesis 1:1

 

[alang1216]

Gen 1:1--God created the heavens and the Earth.--Not a wise place to stand calling him a liar.

How did He do it? Was there a Big Bang and 4 billion years of evolution?

 

[BULLDOG]

The Big Bang theory is still a theory, and a lot of things are unanswered. Even mainstream physicists work on the basis that it might not actually be right.

Of course it is a theory just like gravity is still just a theory. It's the best guess that matches what is known.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It doesn't matter, what matters is Genesis 1:1

Well, that's a matter of what you think.

If you accept illogical things, and it keeps you happy, then fine, but you won't like talking about this topic with others.