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[buttercup]

Why shouldn't I?

We have already had this discussion.

I see no point in believers attacking each other.

There are two sorts of folks, those with faith, and those without.

Fear and Trembling - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Folks with faith that attack others with faith? To me, that shows a lack of understanding of the divine.

You'll note, I have not attacked his beliefs, he is free to believe whatever he wants about the creator.


I don't really pay attention much to this forum TBH, it seems mostly pointless.

But what I have noticed from the little I observe of it, is that non-Catholic Christians start OPs slagging the Church with far more frequency than the Catholics appear to attack Christians that aren't members of the Church. . .

. . . why do you suppose that is?

I agree with you but that's not what I was talking about. I was surprised that you were defending the RCC. We all have had many discussions in this section about theology among different denominations or churches, it's not about attacking the person, there have been discussions about different ideas and doctrines.

 

[buttercup]

2 Timothy 2:23-26,
Avoid foolish and ignorant debates, for you know that they breed quarrels. A slave of the Lord should not quarrel, but should be gentle with everyone, able to teach, tolerant, correcting opponents with kindness. It may be that God will grant them repentance that leads to knowledge of the truth, and that they may return to their senses out of the devil’s snare, where they are entrapped by him, for his will.

So is that what you guys are trying to do? To save Catholics from the devil’s snare that canonized your holy book?

Because I have a few more verses we can work though.


2 Timothy 2:14,
Matthew 12:25,
Matthew 18:15-16,
Romans 14:1-23,
Romans 16:17-18,
1 Corinthians 3:3,
1 Corinthians 13:1-2,
1 John 4:20-21,
Proverbs 6:16-19,
Proverbs 28:25,
Galatians 5:15,
Galatians 5:19-21,
Titus 3:10,
Jude 1:19,
Ephesians 4:3-6,
Ephesians 4:31-32,
Colossians 3:12-14,
1 Corinthians 12:25,
1 Peter 3:8,
Philippians 2:1-2,
John 17:20-23,
Mark 3:24-25,
Luke 11:17
James 3:16.

Yes, I know. Yet you are one of the ones who argues the most in this section.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

I could have looked that up and posted the same thing.

My question was meant to see if you understood what a saint is to Catholics prior to that.

In simple terms a saint to a Catholic is some who has devoted thier life to spreading the Gospel of Jesus.

There again is where Catholicism differs from the scriptures.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

But what I have noticed from the little I observe of it, is that non-Catholic Christians start OPs slagging the Church with far more frequency than the Catholics appear to attack Christians that aren't members of the Church. . .

I'm disagreeing with Catholic theology and providing the word of God to support my statements, but you're certainly at liberty to characterize that as an "attack".

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

You don't get to have the luxury of using a presbyterian's interpreted bible to critique the Church pal.

I'm sorry that you're upset. That's not my intention. It's my hope that we can simply disagree but remain brothers in Christ.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Here is what Catholics believe:

I know. I was a Catholic for 50 years. I left that organization 9 years ago after being unable a plethora of Catholic doctrine with what Jesus and the apostles taught.

As I said, faithful Christians look to the scriptures. Catholics look to the Catholic Church.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

The Catholic Church also completely ignores Jesus's admonition to not exalt a fellow human being by giving them the title of "father".

Matthew 23:9
English Standard Version
9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

With all of this said, the most important thing is to love and obey God, follow his son Jesus, and love one another. Many do this and know little to nothing about the scriptures, Catholicism, etc. As the Bible says, God is love.


1 John 4:7-21
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.

Matthew 22:36-40
Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

Galatians 5:13-14
For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

 

[BreezeWood]

The early Church compiled scriptures into one book that we call "The Bible", but they didn't write the scriptures.

- have you their archive of the material they used to write their bible - they meticulously preserved.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

- have you their archive of the material they used to write their bible - they meticulously preserved.

Nope. Link?

 

[BreezeWood]

I don't really pay attention much to this forum TBH, it seems mostly pointless.

But what I have noticed from the little I observe of it, is that non-Catholic Christians start OPs slagging the Church with far more frequency than the Catholics appear to attack Christians that aren't members of the Church. . .

. . . why do you suppose that is?

one could take a guess, being obvious though makes one wonder the sincerity of the question.

 

[BreezeWood]

9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

jesus taught all in the heavens are equal, monotheism - what you claim is monarchical.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

jesus taught all in the heavens are equal,

Verse?

 

[BreezeWood]

Verse?

the archives to their bible - still missing ... passed down through the ages, the 1st century events.

 

[ding]

Yes, I know. Yet you are one of the ones who argues the most in this section.

From unwarranted attacks on my faith. Maybe when the shoe is on the other foot you will understand. It’s one thing to say you are Christian, it’s another thing to actually be Christian.

 

[ding]

There again is where Catholicism differs from the scriptures.

I feel sorry for you if this is what you believe Christianity is.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Here is what Catholics believe:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried.

He descended into hell; on the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints,the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

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Amen

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[Zebra]

Here is what Catholics believe:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried.

He descended into hell; on the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints,the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

i could sing the Credo in Latin.

 

[Meriweather]

The Rosary is certainly NOT from God nor Mary. As a former Catholic who has attended countless Masses I know that they share some scriptures while avoiding others, such as Jesus's admonition to not give any man the religious title of "Father". A number of Catholic Church’s doctrines conflict with what Jesus and the Apostles taught. Their greatest heresy is their teaching that non-Catholics are going to Hell. Practicing Catholics should abandon that worldly organization and stick to what was taught by Jesus and the Apostles.

1. The Rosary is prayerful meditation on the Gospels and Jesus' life and teachings.
2. Jesus' use of 'Father' followed the use of the word according to the custom of his time. There were many different sects of Judaism, and the founder of each sect called himself 'Father' in the order of Father Abraham. Jesus was pointing out his teachings are directly from God the Father. (Look it up. Study Judaism and the history of the time, and ONE of the many uses for the word 'Father'. (Therefore, Jesus was teaching against people like Luther, Calvin, etc. who went off to found their own churches.)
3. The Church teaches that we do not know who--if anyone--is in hell. The Church teaches that final judgment is done by God--and with God, nothing is impossible.

Jesus founded a church to continue to teach what he taught--and gave Peter the keys (placed him in the position of authority) to guide the Church in his absence. He said people would fight against this church, but his promise was that not even the gates of hell would prevail against the Church and its teachings.

So, when someone asks the Church, where do I go to learn salvation/redemption, the correct response is, that outside the Church there is no other person or institution who can teach and guide Jesus' Way of salvation. There are many good religions--Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism, to name a few--But it is the Catholic Church that maintains all of the teachings and traditions of Christ and the Apostles. You won't find that in Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism, or any of the truly great philosophers.

Finally: I advise against listening to non-Catholic nonsense about what the Catholic Church, "really" teaches. (Your example that the Church teaches all non-Catholics go to hell is a classic example of misinformation.)

 

[Zebra]

You probably mean Amharic. You could have conceivably met a speaker of neo-Aramaic, but that's only a dialect of what Jesus would have spoken.

no

i mean Aramaic = Aramäisch in German
he used the German word for it