The Failure of Gun Control Comes Home

[The Rabbi]

we took judicial notice of both facts

defendants appearing in MY Courtroom should be prepared before addressing the Court

Thank you for tacitly admitting that you cannot defend your claim.

I cannot help it if you are ignorant of basic facts

so you deny that there are more legally owned guns in the USA now than 20 years ago

and so you deny that gun crime has been going down?

If so, you are too stupid to argue gun issues with me or most other informed posters

Onus was, and still is, on you to provide credible links substantiating your claims.

Resorting to ad homs exposes your lack of substance amongst your other shortcomings.

no it isn't

you are just trying to evade reality

or you are too stupid to counter common knowledge

either way, you are a moron

So now you are reduced to calling it "common knowledge" because you can't find a single credible website to support your claim?



Your use of vulgarities is an admission of failure on your part. You have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic. Have a nice day.

ATF publishes figure for guns produced every year by type, manufacturer. etc. The totals are in the millions. That's every year. Since the service life of most firearms is over a hundred years, it is simply common sense that there are more in circulation now than ever before. Couple that with the number of carry permits issued and it becomes even more common sense. Someone is buying those guns and they are sticking around.
Crime has falled over the last 20 years. That is in all the news stories. Certainly check the FBI crime statistics publications.
There are more guns. There is less crime.
QED.

 

[turtledude]

we took judicial notice of both facts

defendants appearing in MY Courtroom should be prepared before addressing the Court

Thank you for tacitly admitting that you cannot defend your claim.

I cannot help it if you are ignorant of basic facts

so you deny that there are more legally owned guns in the USA now than 20 years ago

and so you deny that gun crime has been going down?

If so, you are too stupid to argue gun issues with me or most other informed posters

Onus was, and still is, on you to provide credible links substantiating your claims.

Resorting to ad homs exposes your lack of substance amongst your other shortcomings.

no it isn't

you are just trying to evade reality

or you are too stupid to counter common knowledge

either way, you are a moron

So now you are reduced to calling it "common knowledge" because you can't find a single credible website to support your claim?



Your use of vulgarities is an admission of failure on your part. You have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic. Have a nice day.

you are disqualified on the grounds that you are either dishonest or ignorant

 

[Derideo_Te]

Thank you for tacitly admitting that you cannot defend your claim.

I cannot help it if you are ignorant of basic facts

so you deny that there are more legally owned guns in the USA now than 20 years ago

and so you deny that gun crime has been going down?

If so, you are too stupid to argue gun issues with me or most other informed posters

Onus was, and still is, on you to provide credible links substantiating your claims.

Resorting to ad homs exposes your lack of substance amongst your other shortcomings.

no it isn't

you are just trying to evade reality

or you are too stupid to counter common knowledge

either way, you are a moron

So now you are reduced to calling it "common knowledge" because you can't find a single credible website to support your claim?



Your use of vulgarities is an admission of failure on your part. You have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic. Have a nice day.

ATF publishes figure for guns produced every year by type, manufacturer. etc. The totals are in the millions. That's every year. Since the service life of most firearms is over a hundred years, it is simply common sense that there are more in circulation now than ever before. Couple that with the number of carry permits issued and it becomes even more common sense. Someone is buying those guns and they are sticking around.
Crime has falled over the last 20 years. That is in all the news stories. Certainly check the FBI crime statistics publications.
There are more guns. There is less crime.
QED.

You failed to demonstrate causation.

There are more cell phones and ipads now than there were 20 years. Are the cell phones and ipads the reason there is less crime?

 

[turtledude]

I cannot help it if you are ignorant of basic facts

so you deny that there are more legally owned guns in the USA now than 20 years ago

and so you deny that gun crime has been going down?

If so, you are too stupid to argue gun issues with me or most other informed posters

Onus was, and still is, on you to provide credible links substantiating your claims.

Resorting to ad homs exposes your lack of substance amongst your other shortcomings.

no it isn't

you are just trying to evade reality

or you are too stupid to counter common knowledge

either way, you are a moron

So now you are reduced to calling it "common knowledge" because you can't find a single credible website to support your claim?



Your use of vulgarities is an admission of failure on your part. You have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic. Have a nice day.

ATF publishes figure for guns produced every year by type, manufacturer. etc. The totals are in the millions. That's every year. Since the service life of most firearms is over a hundred years, it is simply common sense that there are more in circulation now than ever before. Couple that with the number of carry permits issued and it becomes even more common sense. Someone is buying those guns and they are sticking around.
Crime has falled over the last 20 years. That is in all the news stories. Certainly check the FBI crime statistics publications.
There are more guns. There is less crime.
QED.

You failed to demonstrate causation.

There are more cell phones and ipads now than there were 20 years. Are the cell phones and ipads the reason there is less crime?

wow serious disconnect there stupid one

the entire premise of gun banners is that they have to decrease the number of legal guns to decrease crime

its a lie of course but its the premise of the turds

 

[The Rabbi]

I cannot help it if you are ignorant of basic facts

so you deny that there are more legally owned guns in the USA now than 20 years ago

and so you deny that gun crime has been going down?

If so, you are too stupid to argue gun issues with me or most other informed posters

Onus was, and still is, on you to provide credible links substantiating your claims.

Resorting to ad homs exposes your lack of substance amongst your other shortcomings.

no it isn't

you are just trying to evade reality

or you are too stupid to counter common knowledge

either way, you are a moron

So now you are reduced to calling it "common knowledge" because you can't find a single credible website to support your claim?



Your use of vulgarities is an admission of failure on your part. You have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic. Have a nice day.

ATF publishes figure for guns produced every year by type, manufacturer. etc. The totals are in the millions. That's every year. Since the service life of most firearms is over a hundred years, it is simply common sense that there are more in circulation now than ever before. Couple that with the number of carry permits issued and it becomes even more common sense. Someone is buying those guns and they are sticking around.
Crime has falled over the last 20 years. That is in all the news stories. Certainly check the FBI crime statistics publications.
There are more guns. There is less crime.
QED.

You failed to demonstrate causation.

There are more cell phones and ipads now than there were 20 years. Are the cell phones and ipads the reason there is less crime?

On that argument fewer guns will not decrease crime either, despite the fact that leftists proclaim it so.

 

[The Rabbi]

I cannot help it if you are ignorant of basic facts

so you deny that there are more legally owned guns in the USA now than 20 years ago

and so you deny that gun crime has been going down?

If so, you are too stupid to argue gun issues with me or most other informed posters

Onus was, and still is, on you to provide credible links substantiating your claims.

Resorting to ad homs exposes your lack of substance amongst your other shortcomings.

no it isn't

you are just trying to evade reality

or you are too stupid to counter common knowledge

either way, you are a moron

So now you are reduced to calling it "common knowledge" because you can't find a single credible website to support your claim?



Your use of vulgarities is an admission of failure on your part. You have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic. Have a nice day.

ATF publishes figure for guns produced every year by type, manufacturer. etc. The totals are in the millions. That's every year. Since the service life of most firearms is over a hundred years, it is simply common sense that there are more in circulation now than ever before. Couple that with the number of carry permits issued and it becomes even more common sense. Someone is buying those guns and they are sticking around.
Crime has falled over the last 20 years. That is in all the news stories. Certainly check the FBI crime statistics publications.
There are more guns. There is less crime.
QED.

You failed to demonstrate causation.

There are more cell phones and ipads now than there were 20 years. Are the cell phones and ipads the reason there is less crime?

On that argument fewer guns will not decrease crime either, despite the fact that leftists proclaim it so.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Onus was, and still is, on you to provide credible links substantiating your claims.

Resorting to ad homs exposes your lack of substance amongst your other shortcomings.

no it isn't

you are just trying to evade reality

or you are too stupid to counter common knowledge

either way, you are a moron

So now you are reduced to calling it "common knowledge" because you can't find a single credible website to support your claim?



Your use of vulgarities is an admission of failure on your part. You have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic. Have a nice day.

ATF publishes figure for guns produced every year by type, manufacturer. etc. The totals are in the millions. That's every year. Since the service life of most firearms is over a hundred years, it is simply common sense that there are more in circulation now than ever before. Couple that with the number of carry permits issued and it becomes even more common sense. Someone is buying those guns and they are sticking around.
Crime has falled over the last 20 years. That is in all the news stories. Certainly check the FBI crime statistics publications.
There are more guns. There is less crime.
QED.

You failed to demonstrate causation.

There are more cell phones and ipads now than there were 20 years. Are the cell phones and ipads the reason there is less crime?

On that argument fewer guns will not decrease crime either, despite the fact that leftists proclaim it so.

Thank you for admitting that you are clueless when it comes to causation.

 

[turtledude]

no it isn't

you are just trying to evade reality

or you are too stupid to counter common knowledge

either way, you are a moron

So now you are reduced to calling it "common knowledge" because you can't find a single credible website to support your claim?



Your use of vulgarities is an admission of failure on your part. You have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic. Have a nice day.

ATF publishes figure for guns produced every year by type, manufacturer. etc. The totals are in the millions. That's every year. Since the service life of most firearms is over a hundred years, it is simply common sense that there are more in circulation now than ever before. Couple that with the number of carry permits issued and it becomes even more common sense. Someone is buying those guns and they are sticking around.
Crime has falled over the last 20 years. That is in all the news stories. Certainly check the FBI crime statistics publications.
There are more guns. There is less crime.
QED.

You failed to demonstrate causation.

There are more cell phones and ipads now than there were 20 years. Are the cell phones and ipads the reason there is less crime?

On that argument fewer guns will not decrease crime either, despite the fact that leftists proclaim it so.

Thank you for admitting that you are clueless when it comes to causation.

what causes crime is criminals-not guns. Liberals see criminals as constituents whose actions are caused by society so banning criminals is not something most liberals want to do. Yet, to pretend they are doing something about crime, liberals use gun bans as a surrogate

all this does is to help criminals while convincing the slow witted that liberals are doing something about crime

good people with guns stop crime. assholes with or without guns cause crime. Liberal gun control laws only disarm the former

 

[The Rabbi]

no it isn't

you are just trying to evade reality

or you are too stupid to counter common knowledge

either way, you are a moron

So now you are reduced to calling it "common knowledge" because you can't find a single credible website to support your claim?



Your use of vulgarities is an admission of failure on your part. You have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic. Have a nice day.

ATF publishes figure for guns produced every year by type, manufacturer. etc. The totals are in the millions. That's every year. Since the service life of most firearms is over a hundred years, it is simply common sense that there are more in circulation now than ever before. Couple that with the number of carry permits issued and it becomes even more common sense. Someone is buying those guns and they are sticking around.
Crime has falled over the last 20 years. That is in all the news stories. Certainly check the FBI crime statistics publications.
There are more guns. There is less crime.
QED.

You failed to demonstrate causation.

There are more cell phones and ipads now than there were 20 years. Are the cell phones and ipads the reason there is less crime?

On that argument fewer guns will not decrease crime either, despite the fact that leftists proclaim it so.

Thank you for admitting that you are clueless when it comes to causation.

And yet you maintain that fewer guns will cause less crime.
Which one of us is clueless here?

 

[Derideo_Te]

So now you are reduced to calling it "common knowledge" because you can't find a single credible website to support your claim?



Your use of vulgarities is an admission of failure on your part. You have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic. Have a nice day.

ATF publishes figure for guns produced every year by type, manufacturer. etc. The totals are in the millions. That's every year. Since the service life of most firearms is over a hundred years, it is simply common sense that there are more in circulation now than ever before. Couple that with the number of carry permits issued and it becomes even more common sense. Someone is buying those guns and they are sticking around.
Crime has falled over the last 20 years. That is in all the news stories. Certainly check the FBI crime statistics publications.
There are more guns. There is less crime.
QED.

You failed to demonstrate causation.

There are more cell phones and ipads now than there were 20 years. Are the cell phones and ipads the reason there is less crime?

On that argument fewer guns will not decrease crime either, despite the fact that leftists proclaim it so.

Thank you for admitting that you are clueless when it comes to causation.

And yet you maintain that fewer guns will cause less crime.
Which one of us is clueless here?

Onus is on you to prove that I have ever made such a claim so until you do you will remain the clueless one.

 

[turtledude]

ATF publishes figure for guns produced every year by type, manufacturer. etc. The totals are in the millions. That's every year. Since the service life of most firearms is over a hundred years, it is simply common sense that there are more in circulation now than ever before. Couple that with the number of carry permits issued and it becomes even more common sense. Someone is buying those guns and they are sticking around.
Crime has falled over the last 20 years. That is in all the news stories. Certainly check the FBI crime statistics publications.
There are more guns. There is less crime.
QED.

You failed to demonstrate causation.

There are more cell phones and ipads now than there were 20 years. Are the cell phones and ipads the reason there is less crime?

On that argument fewer guns will not decrease crime either, despite the fact that leftists proclaim it so.

Thank you for admitting that you are clueless when it comes to causation.

And yet you maintain that fewer guns will cause less crime.
Which one of us is clueless here?

Onus is on you to prove that I have ever made such a claim so until you do you will remain the clueless one.

OK tell us what laws you think we need as to firearms

 

[The Rabbi]

ATF publishes figure for guns produced every year by type, manufacturer. etc. The totals are in the millions. That's every year. Since the service life of most firearms is over a hundred years, it is simply common sense that there are more in circulation now than ever before. Couple that with the number of carry permits issued and it becomes even more common sense. Someone is buying those guns and they are sticking around.
Crime has falled over the last 20 years. That is in all the news stories. Certainly check the FBI crime statistics publications.
There are more guns. There is less crime.
QED.

You failed to demonstrate causation.

There are more cell phones and ipads now than there were 20 years. Are the cell phones and ipads the reason there is less crime?

On that argument fewer guns will not decrease crime either, despite the fact that leftists proclaim it so.

Thank you for admitting that you are clueless when it comes to causation.

And yet you maintain that fewer guns will cause less crime.
Which one of us is clueless here?

Onus is on you to prove that I have ever made such a claim so until you do you will remain the clueless one.

OK so you agree that gun control will not reduce crime.
Then what the fuck is your problem?

 

[Derideo_Te]

You failed to demonstrate causation.

There are more cell phones and ipads now than there were 20 years. Are the cell phones and ipads the reason there is less crime?

On that argument fewer guns will not decrease crime either, despite the fact that leftists proclaim it so.

Thank you for admitting that you are clueless when it comes to causation.

And yet you maintain that fewer guns will cause less crime.
Which one of us is clueless here?

Onus is on you to prove that I have ever made such a claim so until you do you will remain the clueless one.

OK so you agree that gun control will not reduce crime.
Then what the fuck is your problem?

Onus is on you to prove that I ever made that claim, clueless one.

 

[Brain357]

gun hater logic

1) people who don't obey laws against robbery and murder and aren't deterred by the threat of 20-life in prison will be deterred from getting a gun over the threat of a couple years in prison

2) people who have never violated substantive criminal law, need other laws targeting them to stop them from doing the harm with weapons they have never committed while owing guns

Absurd.

right you are-its absurd to think that people who commit felonies are more likely to be disarmed by gun bans than honest people who conscientiously follow the laws

Correct.

.... and??

Actually, the less guns there are in circulation, the less likely criminals have access to guns. In countries where there are strict gun laws, the criminals also have less guns.

Thats nonsense. That's utter nonsense.
There will be fewer guns among law abiding people and more guns among criminals. In any case law abiding citizens will have zero ability to resist criminals, even those armed with knives or machetes.

Countries with few guns do have fewer gun crimes. I don't think however that has ever lowered crime rates.

 

[The Rabbi]

On that argument fewer guns will not decrease crime either, despite the fact that leftists proclaim it so.

Thank you for admitting that you are clueless when it comes to causation.

And yet you maintain that fewer guns will cause less crime.
Which one of us is clueless here?

Onus is on you to prove that I have ever made such a claim so until you do you will remain the clueless one.

OK so you agree that gun control will not reduce crime.
Then what the fuck is your problem?

Onus is on you to prove that I ever made that claim, clueless one.

OK I agree you never said that. So must not believe it's true.
Again, then why are you bitching in this thread?

 

[The Rabbi]

Absurd.

right you are-its absurd to think that people who commit felonies are more likely to be disarmed by gun bans than honest people who conscientiously follow the laws

Correct.

.... and??

Actually, the less guns there are in circulation, the less likely criminals have access to guns. In countries where there are strict gun laws, the criminals also have less guns.

Thats nonsense. That's utter nonsense.
There will be fewer guns among law abiding people and more guns among criminals. In any case law abiding citizens will have zero ability to resist criminals, even those armed with knives or machetes.

Countries with few guns do have fewer gun crimes. I don't think however that has ever lowered crime rates.

Untrue.

 

[Brain357]

right you are-its absurd to think that people who commit felonies are more likely to be disarmed by gun bans than honest people who conscientiously follow the laws

Correct.

.... and??

Actually, the less guns there are in circulation, the less likely criminals have access to guns. In countries where there are strict gun laws, the criminals also have less guns.

Thats nonsense. That's utter nonsense.
There will be fewer guns among law abiding people and more guns among criminals. In any case law abiding citizens will have zero ability to resist criminals, even those armed with knives or machetes.

Countries with few guns do have fewer gun crimes. I don't think however that has ever lowered crime rates.

Untrue.

Looks to me like countries with fewer guns have less gun homicides. May be a few oddities, but looks like that is the case for the majority.
Gun homicides and gun ownership by country - The Washington Post

 

[turtledude]

Correct.

.... and??

Actually, the less guns there are in circulation, the less likely criminals have access to guns. In countries where there are strict gun laws, the criminals also have less guns.

Thats nonsense. That's utter nonsense.
There will be fewer guns among law abiding people and more guns among criminals. In any case law abiding citizens will have zero ability to resist criminals, even those armed with knives or machetes.

Countries with few guns do have fewer gun crimes. I don't think however that has ever lowered crime rates.

Untrue.

Looks to me like countries with fewer guns have less gun homicides. May be a few oddities, but looks like that is the case for the majority.
Gun homicides and gun ownership by country - The Washington Post

why do gun banning retards confuse legal guns with illegal ones
Mexico has very few legal guns. their murder rate is why higher than ours

 

[Brain357]

Actually, the less guns there are in circulation, the less likely criminals have access to guns. In countries where there are strict gun laws, the criminals also have less guns.

Thats nonsense. That's utter nonsense.
There will be fewer guns among law abiding people and more guns among criminals. In any case law abiding citizens will have zero ability to resist criminals, even those armed with knives or machetes.

Countries with few guns do have fewer gun crimes. I don't think however that has ever lowered crime rates.

Untrue.

Looks to me like countries with fewer guns have less gun homicides. May be a few oddities, but looks like that is the case for the majority.
Gun homicides and gun ownership by country - The Washington Post

why do gun banning retards confuse legal guns with illegal ones
Mexico has very few legal guns. their murder rate is why higher than ours

Most of Europe looks to have fewer guns and fewer gun homicides.

 

[turtledude]

Thats nonsense. That's utter nonsense.
There will be fewer guns among law abiding people and more guns among criminals. In any case law abiding citizens will have zero ability to resist criminals, even those armed with knives or machetes.

Countries with few guns do have fewer gun crimes. I don't think however that has ever lowered crime rates.

Untrue.

Looks to me like countries with fewer guns have less gun homicides. May be a few oddities, but looks like that is the case for the majority.
Gun homicides and gun ownership by country - The Washington Post

why do gun banning retards confuse legal guns with illegal ones
Mexico has very few legal guns. their murder rate is why higher than ours

Most of Europe looks to have fewer guns and fewer gun homicides.

white europeans have similar or higher rates of gun violence compared to white americans

figure that