The debate on climate change is now over. The verdict: Too late to do anything about it!

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The idea of "saving" the planet is both ludicrous and pretentious.

The planet has no idea we are here. It will not even notice when we're gone.

We might.

 

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The Earth has no idea that humans exist on it's skin, any more than it knew about the dinosaurs or Cretaceous critters. Our Earth has, in its long life, been a molten hell, a frozen snowball, much drier and much wetter than it is today. Man had nothing to do with those changes. Our Earth will continue to rotate, orbit, and move around tectonically long after humans have left and intelligent ants have taken our place, never having noticed we are gone.

Seymour Flops said:
>True

But irrelevant. If you want to think that humans cannot affect the climate because it changed without us in the past, perhaps you can be convinced that humans do not start forest fires because those happened long before humans were around.

As for losing our "Eden". Industrial technology has brought us closer to a scriptural Eden than ever before. For most of human existence, we lived short, hard, lives, always one bad harvest away from starvation. Today, thanks to industrial technology, we live life-spans that only biblical patriarchs could hope for. We have an abundance of food. we don't even have to pick it off the tree, it is delivered to our door. We live lives of leisure and comfort that would make Adam and Eve envious.

Seymour Flops said:
>Democrats don't get that part. At all. Because they dont'([sic] understand dynamic reasoning.

A generalization like that is patently false. Such generalizations are the underpinnings of bigotry.

Seymour Flops said:
>They truly believe that they can stop industrialization and then hundred years later, which they will live to see, they can use social media to plan for a centinial[sic] of no industrialization party, at which they will have shelter, abundant food, heating and air conditioning, >and convenient transportation to and from the party, after which they will return to their roomy and comfortable dwellings, proud of themselves for having vanquished the evil industrialists for good.
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>They don't think things through.

No one is having that fantasy except you.

Our skies are cleaner than those of men from Paleolithic to Victorian times, choking on their campfires and fireplaces. Our cities and suburbs are greener than ever before. Our streets are no longer ankle deep in refuse and animal manure as they have been since streets were invented.

You can self-flagellate over your ecological sins all you like if that brings you pleasure, but keep your scourges off of me. I have nothing for which to atone.

Seymour Flops said:
>Well said.

Our skies are not cleaner than those of the Paleolithic. Humans and their campfires were too few. The Victorian era took place in the beginning of the Industrial era - the point in time when humans began burning fossil fuels for energy. With absolutely no concern for pollution, the atmosphere in large metropolitan areas suffered. Be that as it may, the amount of CO2 being put into the air then is absolutely dwarfed by what it produced today. Poster fncceo could certainly atone for his ignorance if he wanted.